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CNET has awarded the new TC-PST60 plasma series from Panasonic the highest recommendation it has ever given to an HDTV. Adding a sliver of a sixth star to their five-star rating, the new plasma series was lauded by CNET for its amazing image quality, especially for the price. The new ST60 series from Panasonic, which is part of the 2013 Viera line, is already available in stores.

 

As you would expect, the new plasma was granted an "Editor's Choice" award. CNET reviewed the 55" model but stated that the review and recommendation applied to all screen sizes in the ST60 line.

 

There is no doubt that the plasma sector of the flat-panel market is in trouble, with a market share of only 11% and going down. Panasonic responded to the predicament with a TV so good, CNET decided to declare it the best value for an HDTV—ever. Is that enough to turn the tide for plasma? Last week, Panasonic was optimistic that the market for plasma panels would remain flat for 2013. Last month, at Samsung's line show, that company was actually enthusiastic about the future of plasma HDTV. Has the time come for plasma to make a comeback, or is this truly the last hurrah?

 

 

 

Beyond five-star rating from CNET

 

 

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"I'll cut to the chase: If you value picture quality and don't have money to burn, you should buy the Panasonic TC-PST60... Yes, it's a plasma. That's the main reason why its picture is so good. And despite what you may have heard, there's very little reason not to get a plasma TV." - source: CNET

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PQ to Price ratio is incredible for sure.
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How much we have advanced for little price.

This bodes well for thd ZT60.

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Best HDTV ever? In every aspect? That is one hell of a statement by CNET. I would love to see this television in person that scored above a perfect 5 stars, which in itself is a contradiction.
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Best HDTV ever? In every aspect? That is one hell of a statement by CNET. I would love to see this television in person that scored above a perfect 5 stars, which in itself is a contradiction.


I don't see where they made that statement.
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Makes you wonder how much better the VT or ZT will be. Since CNet factors value into their overall score, the total rating will probably be lower on those models

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I don't see where they made that statement.

True they did not make that statement directly they just gave it "Strongest TV Recommendation Ever" and declared it the best value for an HDTV—ever. If it was just those and a 5 star rating I would have not assumed they thought it was the best TV ever. However, the fact that they rated it higher than all the Kuros and above perfection led me to strongly believe they believe this tv is the best HDTV yet. I don't see how they can rank a TV above the 5 star standard they set themselves when they believe there is a better tv out there, even if it is at a higher price range
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It should lose a star just because Panasonic's customer service is so bad.

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Coming from Cnet this is no surprise. rolleyes.gif
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Panasonic is a sponsor of Cnet. I'm sure it's a nice set but take the rating with a grain of salt.
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I think it's suspect that the reviewer thought so poorly of the 3D, but its still a five star set?
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My one concern is IR. Something they cannot test for unless it's a long term test. Time will tell.
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It should lose a star just because Panasonic's customer service is so bad.

Your opinion should lose 2 stars for that KU logo. tongue.gif
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I really haven't trusted CNET since I got a virus attack the last time I visited their site.
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True they did not make that statement directly they just gave it "Strongest TV Recommendation Ever" and declared it the best value for an HDTV—ever. If it was just those and a 5 star rating I would have not assumed they thought it was the best TV ever. However, the fact that they rated it higher than all the Kuros and above perfection led me to strongly believe they believe this tv is the best HDTV yet. I don't see how they can rank a TV above the 5 star standard they set themselves when they believe there is a better tv out there, even if it is at a higher price range

I guess I read it differently. To me the whole article reeked of value and not 'best in class'. They appeared to be seeing a cheap price tag with PQ that blows away some very high priced sets (think the 65 inch is under 2k and outperforms last year's 65vt50 that was priced at 3.7k). Obviously its a valid point to contest how you measure PQ, but I don't think they were inconsistent with their methods and measurement criteria from the previous years.
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Your opinion should lose 2 stars for that KU logo. tongue.gif

Not to derail the thread but you're an MU Fan correct? Or maybe an Illinois Fan? Just wondering since you're in St. Louis.
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I guess 3D means less than nothing to this reviewer.

I'd be rather disappointed if my new TV handled 3D content worse than my last.
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"3D wasn't that great but who really cares about 3D picture quality anyway"

Love the brute honesty of that statement. biggrin.gif

(yes, we know some people DO care about 3D and you are certainly entitled to feel that way, etc.)
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Cnet is a joke as far as I'm concerned but I am a huge plasma fan. Having owned an ST30 I'm sure this set is one of the best values out there. Makes me cry plasma is dieing but once I see OLEDs for cheap in stores I won't be so sad.

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Cnet, IMHO, has been EXTREMELY unreliable in their reviews and I just can't trust them. That's not to say this is not a great TV; I have not evaluated it myself. It's just that they are extremely subjective and I've found that their reports differ wildly from what I have seen with a number of products. So much so that I do not go to their site anymore and do not believe what they have to say. I can't prove that they have a commercial bias but their track record makes me very suspicious.

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While they're not the most technical reviews out there, I think Katzmaier is pretty trustworthy and his method is pretty solid. If he's biased towards anything, it's image quality. Samsung is a sponsor there too, and their stuff doesn't always walk away with a great rating. If he's so biased towards Panasonic, then why did CNet give Panasonic's 2012 LED TVs roughly 2 1/2 stars across the board? Because they didn't look good and they weren't afraid to say it. Like I said, can't speak for the rest of the people at cnet, but Katz seems like he knows what he's doing.

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Great set for sure. Panasonic makes some really good plasmas. But the size IMO in this time of tech. Wish they could at least bumped it up to a 70". Imagine a ZT70. Now that's what I call eye candy..smile.gif
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^What type of panel? An edgelit LED? My condolences.
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Got to love Panasonic!

I still have in a bedroom an old Panasonic 42" plasma I bought back in 1998 and which still looks pretty good compared to many LCDs you see in Best Buy.

I personally like plasmas better than most LCDs, so good for Panasonic smile.gif

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^What type of panel? An edgelit LED? My condolences.

Yea I know what you mean.. I'm glad I got one of the last full array panel Elite 70" to replace my 60" Elite pro-151fd. Think my next upgrade 3.-4 years from now will be 4K projector with a 120" screen.
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I just got a 50 inch GT50, and I am still in the window where I can return it, and they are the same price.. I love the PQ on my GT, so my dilemma is should I return the GT for the ST.. The review compares the the ST to the VT, which I know is a higher end line. My question is the ST line considered higher than the GT? Damn, I dont feel like packing the thing up and returning it, but laziness isnt a good excuse for the long term if I am getting a better set.
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I just got a 50 inch GT50, and I am still in the window where I can return it, and they are the same price.. I love the PQ on my GT, so my dilemma is should I return the GT for the ST.. The review compares the the ST to the VT, which I know is a higher end line. My question is the ST line considered higher than the GT? Damn, I dont feel like packing the thing up and returning it, but laziness isnt a good excuse for the long term if I am getting a better set.

The ST line is lower than the GT for the 50 series. However, the 2013 model line in the States is S, ST, VT, ZT. There is no GT this year. The ST60 is being compared favorably to the top-of-the line VT50 from last year should tell you all you need to know. The only thing I would caution you on is the ST60 has input lag that is noticeable to some people and has a thread in the forums. I purchased a 50ST60 as a "temporary" TV until the ZT series came out... Three weeks on and I am still constantly amazed at the value you get in this set.
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