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Why would anyone willingly move away from the highest quality means of watching cinema?
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Why would anyone willingly move away from the highest quality means of watching cinema?
Convenience (streaming).

Many years ago at a local hi-fi show I bumped into Bob Stuart of Meridian and got into a discussion about the (then) battle between DVD-A and SACD. I'll never forget the first thing he said to me: "The format war is over, MP3 won."

Convenience.

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On that note, it's a good thing there are at least some stores with lossless purchasing options available. wink.gif

VuduHDX quality (not competitive cost-wise in relation to Blu-ray rentals) is the most I would be willing to sacrifice in terms of quality. Until that's all that remains, I don't understand the point of going willingly when better options remain (unless the cost differential becomes too great). If one puts a higher priority (and value) on convenience, well, who am I to argue? smile.gif
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Time is the commodity of life. In my setup, I can watch any movie I like in seconds, yes seconds without having to change a shiny disk, go to my car in the rain and rent and return a worthless disk.

Vudu HDX is the future now. No ugly set top boxes, extra expensive HDMI cables. Just a 65 inch plasma tv on the wall.
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I hate 'HD' content that looks like pure SD garbage, very weak

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Vudu HDX is the future now. No ugly set top boxes, extra expensive HDMI cables. Just a 65 inch plasma tv on the wall.

Well hopefully a 70+ inches plasma or OLED cool.gif

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What content are you ripping that has DTS-HD and Dolby Digital of the same soundtrack?

Roger, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't DTS just jumping on the old proverbial bandwagon by offering another multi-channel audio format like Dolby's for streaming? It's like trying to make a comparison between DTS MA and True HD when listening to Blu-Rays.


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^Not just alike, since DTS-MA and TrueHD are lossless (no discernible difference from their corresponding masters) and this is a lossy compression scheme (where audible information is discarded and, as a result, may very well sound different in comparison to the lossy compression scheme from another company altogether). In most cases, they should sound equitable and transparent, but there's always the risk of different types of audible information being thrown away when involving separate and unique psychoacoustic algorithms.
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Roger, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't DTS just jumping on the old proverbial bandwagon by offering another multi-channel audio format like Dolby's for streaming? It's like trying to make a comparison between DTS MA and True HD when listening to Blu-Rays.
Do you not think competition is good?

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^Not just alike, since DTS-MA and TrueHD are lossless (no discernible difference from their corresponding masters) and this is a lossy compression scheme (where audible information is discarded and, as a result, may very well sound different in comparison to the lossy compression scheme from another company altogether). In most cases, they should sound equitable and transparent, but there's always the risk of different types of audible information being thrown away when involving separate and unique psychoacoustic algorithms.

Regardless, the differences are still fairly subtle for most listeners.

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Do you not think competition is good?


I've been a marketing guy and I believe competition is always welcome in this industry, but I don't expect the addition of DTS-HD to have a major impact for most consumers when it comes to streaming multi-channel audio quality.


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I've been a marketing guy and I believe competition is always welcome in this industry, but I don't expect the addition of DTS-HD to have a major impact for most consumers when it comes to streaming multi-channel audio quality.
Major impact -- perhaps not. Is that the bar one must clear to enter the market? If so, you may feel we probably do not need so many brands of soap. Yet the market sustains them.

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^^ Your right Roger and this can only help in making audio better for people that like streaming their movies.
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Major impact -- perhaps not. Is that the bar one must clear to enter the market? If so, you may feel we probably do not need so many brands of soap. Yet the market sustains them.



Never said that it was a requirement to enter the market. My point is that It's just another revenue stream for DTS and I have no issue with that. And it's not like the consumer will have a lot of choices here. Whether it's DTS or Dolby will depend on where you are watching. I can choose any bar of soap I want when I'm washing, regardless of which shower I'm bathing in. biggrin.gif



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My point is that It's just another revenue stream for DTS and I have no issue with that.
How magnanimous of you to grant the free market permission to operate.
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And it's not like the consumer will have a lot of choices here. Whether it's DTS or Dolby will depend on where you are watching. I can choose any bar of soap I want when I'm washing, regardless of which shower I'm bathing in. biggrin.gif
So if you have a choice of viewing a given movie from Vudu with Dolby or CinemaNow with DTS that is somehow a step in the wrong direction for consumer options? Seems like with DTS entering the space consumers will have 100% more choices than they did before.

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How magnanimous of you to grant the free market permission to operate.

I think you're reading too much into what I'm saying Roger, which is very simple. Most people will be happy with either format.

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So if you have a choice of viewing a given movie from Vudu with Dolby or CinemaNow with DTS that is somehow a step in the wrong direction for consumer options? Seems like with DTS entering the space consumers will have 100% more choices than they did before.


Again, I never said that it was a step in the wrong direction. Of course the more options the better it is for the consumer, however, if you are going to use the buying soap analogy, then my point was I would be able go on Netflix, Vudu, Cinema Now, Amazon etc.. and chose between Dolby or DTS.



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I think you're reading too much into what I'm saying Roger, which is very simple. Most people will be happy with either format.
I suspect that is correct. Does that mean they are identical?

The implication of your original post was somehow aimed differently: >>Roger, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't DTS just jumping on the old proverbial bandwagon by offering another multi-channel audio format like Dolby's for streaming?<<
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Again, I never said that it was a step in the wrong direction. Of course the more options the better it is for the consumer, however, if you are going to use the buying soap analogy, then my point was I would be able go on Netflix, Vudu, Cinema Now, Amazon etc.. and chose between Dolby or DTS.
Then we'd better switch to the hamburger analogy. wink.gif

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I suspect that is correct. Does that mean they are identical?

Not at all, but as I posted before, I believe the differences will be subtle.
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The implication of your original post was somehow aimed differently: >>Roger, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't DTS just jumping on the old proverbial bandwagon by offering another multi-channel audio format like Dolby's for streaming?<<

I didn't mean for 'proverbial bandwagon' to be construed as a negative. I was implying that DTS-HD is just another multi-channel format, similar to Dolby's . No big surprises here.

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Then we'd better switch to the hamburger analogy. wink.gif


Agreed. But I prefer my version well done. biggrin.gif Thanks.



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I'll take you up on that. I've been comparing my DTS-HD rips with AC3 and can immediately tell the difference. I'd pick DTS-HD in a DBT 8 of 10 times.

Statistically speaking it's still random guessing. 10 out of 10 is "knowing" for sure.

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