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Ok, it's June and if these sets are to be released, you would think there would be some information and prices forth coming .
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Ok, it's June and if these sets are to be released, you would think there would be some information and prices forth coming .

The South Korean launch is proceeding. Here are the prices: http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/30/samsung-65-55-inch-4k-price/
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the 55-inch model available for 6.4 million won ($5,670), and the 65-inch version for 8.9 million won ($7,913)

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Ooo includes the all new fitness bike game... I'm in!
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Sorry I'm sarcastic by nature but in all seriousness I've heard your reasoning on how Sony can charge 5 grand for a 55inch 4k set now please tell me your logic on Samsung selling theirs for 5,700?
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Sorry I'm sarcastic by nature but in all seriousness I've heard your reasoning on how Sony can charge 5 grand for a 55inch 4k set now please tell me your logic on Samsung selling theirs for 5,700?

It doesn't require explaining. If they sell at that price, it's supply and demand at work. Right now, the supply of 2160p capable TVs is limited, so they cost too much.

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Ha that was exactly my point until you started arguing that hardware and software advancement justified the cost.
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That's all part of the business, of course, but pricing can not be judge on the hardware alone. How about all the R&D put into it?

Besides, Samsung pricing in Canada will be at least $500 cheaper than the Sony which does reflect the difference in hardware cost.

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That's all part of the business, of course, but pricing can not be judge on the hardware alone. How about all the R&D put into it?

Besides, Samsung pricing in Canada will be at least $500 cheaper than the Sony which does reflect the difference in hardware cost.

Then there's Panasonic at $1000 more than the US! When asked why when the Canadian and US $ are so close, the answer is - `Canadians will pay, so that's what we charge!'
Target CEO - when asked if they were going to have US prices in Canada - no, we go with the pricing standard in Canada - and that is - `Canadians will pay, so that's what we charge!'
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I agree, Panasonic and Onkyo pricing in Canada are just insane.

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Canadians get the shaft paying premiums for everything... companies like that should be boycotted... it's not like they don't have any competition.

David do you know if Samsung is planning on releasing completely different models or will it just be the flagship f8000 and 9000 with a higher resolution?
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Digimat, can you elaborate your question re: Samsung? My brain doesn't seem to be working properly at the moment.

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Digimat, can you elaborate your question re: Samsung? My brain doesn't seem to be working properly at the moment.

I mean will they be completely different sets, i.e. aesthetically different or will they look exactly like the flagship models just with a higher resolution.
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The 4K TV they sent me was a pre-production so I don't know whether the end result will be the same or different. The prototype they sent me looked identical with the regular HD counterpart models.

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Why's the stand so different from this years? Is that photo correct?
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Weird, that's not the stand they provided with my preview sample confused.gif

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I have a feeling that's not the actual set... that TV looks more the sets from Three years ago. Samsung fan site....
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if Seiki can sell a 4k panel for 1300 bucks where is the logic that Sony's should cost 5 times that?

It's logical if the Seiki sucks (which, by all indications, it does) and the Sony doesn't (which seems to be the case). Plus, Sony usually charges premium prices for its TVs.


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Digitmat,

Seiki does not use IPS panel
Seiki only use pixel quadrupler, no upscaler at all
Seiki use only a single-core processor

That should explain it all

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Looks like they changed the photo and added more information, but I've seen the same photo on a few other sites, like this one.

I actually prefer the older stand, but would likely wall mount this baby if I owned it so it's a non issue for me.
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Digitmat,

Seiki does not use IPS panel
Seiki only use pixel quadrupler, no upscaler at all
Seiki use only a single-core processor

That should explain it all

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Yes thank you for explaining that a second time...

I was in the Sony store yesterday chatting with a rep and he couldn't confirm that they use IPS panels in any of the sets... every size uses panels from different manufactures as well....
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Too funny! I wonder whether those reps even remember their trainings. All panels that use ColorIQ from QD Vision come from the same factory (can't mention it here, NDA, sorry) and are all IPS.

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PS: you can see the panels yourself to know which is IPS and which is not. They're extremely easy to tell apart.

PPS: none of the 84" of any brand is IPS.

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Based on the viewing angle I assume you're correct but your right it's funny none of them knew the type of panel.

He was saying they for larger panels they use a mixture of vertical and horizontal alignement and it's extremely expensive to produce, hence the 20,000 retail price.
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It's logical if the Seiki sucks (which, by all indications, it does) and the Sony doesn't (which seems to be the case). Plus, Sony usually charges premium prices for its TVs.

I have both the Seiki and the Sony 65" 4K and neither of them suck. The Seiki is basically a big computer monitor...feed it a good 4K signal and put some effort into calibration and you won't be disappointed. If you input anything other than 4K you will be disappointed. For the price (~$1k) it's actually great, and makes an awesome computer monitor (especially if you enable HiDPI/retina mode on your computer), and is an even better digital photo frame. Of course, the Sony blows it out of the water in all regards...but then at 7x the price I'd expect nothing less.
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He was saying they for larger panels they use a mixture of vertical and horizontal alignement and it's extremely expensive to produce, hence the 20,000 retail price.

JVC has launched an84" UHD large format display for $13k using the same panel, so the $20/25k pricing of LG/Sony is not just due to the production cost of the panel:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1477039/jvc-shipping-84-uhd-flat-panels-under-15k
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http://www.avsforum.com/t/1459733/official-lg-84lm9600-ultra-hd-4k-owners-thread/600 Posting #613

From what Mike is saying, use the Seiki with a Good Upscaler Blu-ray like the OPPP 103, and you're good to go. Will be interesting when the Seiki 65" hits later this Summer?
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I have both the Seiki and the Sony 65" 4K and neither of them suck. The Seiki is basically a big computer monitor...feed it a good 4K signal and put some effort into calibration and you won't be disappointed. If you input anything other than 4K you will be disappointed. For the price (~$1k) it's actually great, and makes an awesome computer monitor (especially if you enable HiDPI/retina mode on your computer), and is an even better digital photo frame. Of course, the Sony blows it out of the water in all regards...but then at 7x the price I'd expect nothing less.


From everything I've read, the Seiki is not a good TV, though I have also read that it can be a good computer monitor. In my original statement, I was referring to it's performance as a TV, so I should have been more clear on that point.


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From everything I've read, the Seiki is not a good TV, though I have also read that it can be a good computer monitor. In my original statement, I was referring to it's performance as a TV, so I should have been more clear on that point.

Has anyone seen the Seiki 4K after AutoCaling with a Lumagen or iScan Duo? (or is this impossible?)
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