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The 84" UHD flat-panel market is getting a bit crowded now that JVC has announced it will ship two models this month. The RS-840UD and PS-840UD both come from JVC Professional Products Company and are aimed primarily at commercial applications, such as video-production studios and trucks, medical imaging, and conference rooms. But they can also be used in upscale home theaters, and they are priced well below the other similar-size UHD flat panels currently available.

 

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Both models offer 3840x2160 resolution with an IPS LCD panel, LED edge-lighting, 120Hz refresh rate, and 10-bit color depth. HDMI 1.4 inputs can accommodate UHD at up to 30 frames per second, and the display can accept 2160p/60 via four HDMI cables as well as from JVC's GY-HMQ10 compact handheld camcorder.

 

 

RS-840UD

 

The only difference between the RS-840UD and PS-840UD is that the former includes ISF C3 calibration modes and the latter is compatible with Intel's Open Pluggable Specification (OPS), which is important for public digital-signage applications. So the RS-840UD is clearly the one to get for a home theater, and it offers a slight price advantage as well—$13,500 versus $14,000 for the PS-840UD. Either way, that's a lot less than the LG 84LM9600 for $20,000, Sony XBR-84X900 for $25,000 (though that one comes with a UHD movie server), and Samsung UN85S9 for $40,000, the only one at this size to offer a hardware-upgrade path to accommodate new versions of HDMI and other UHD developments as they become available.


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Hi Scott, any idea what quality of upscaling engine used by the TVs?

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Hi Scott, any idea what quality of upscaling engine used by the TVs?

 

'Fraid not; I'll see if I can find out which upscaler they use, though some manufacturers don't reveal that sort of thing.


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I assume this is using the same LG Display 84" 4K IPS panel used in the LG, Sony and Toshiba. So now we have 4 of them using it. Ranging from $12,000-$22,000. Samsung makes their own 85" 4K for $30,000 and Sharp will have their new $8000 70" 4K in Japan on June 15th. Can't wait for some affordable large format 4K displays in a few years.
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Well the fact that this TV isn't 3D compatible is a deal killer I think considering all the other options have that function as well as 240hz.
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I thought 3D died or is dying. I know no one who watches 3D


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I thought 3D died or is dying. I know no one who watches 3D

Now you know of one person who does. cool.gif

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Now you know of one person who does. cool.gif
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I thought 3D died or is dying. I know no one who watches 3D

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/01/10/ces-2013-3d-tv-is-dead-long-live-4k/

http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/off-topic-31/is-there-enough-3d-content-out-there-to-warrant-a--561837/


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Oh cool, a six month old article about how this year 4K was promoted at CES, instead of 3D. wink.gif

Movies will keep being released in 3D. Avatar 2 is going to happen, as is 2160p, glasses-free 3D. Video games will continue to be playable in 3D. What failed is substandard 3D on cable TV (ESPN 3D), but that's no surprise. 3D demands the quality that currently only Blu-ray provides, and it also requires thoughtful cinematography, not just a camera aimed at a basketball court or soccer field.

Everyone I know who went to see Iron Man 3 and/or Star Trek opted to go see those movies in 3D.

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In other words, it was a bit premature?

I did a google search on 3D and it's not just one article here or there.


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Even though I would LOVE to have a Projector one day for some larger than life movies with family and friends at home, I think that is going to have to be left for when I get the funds and a house big enough for an outdoor theater...

So what would be really fun to have inside is something like these displays or a little smaller and cheaper later on with one of these:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/video-calibration/video-calibration-reviews/cube-calibration.html

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What you search for determines the results you get. Google "Apple going out of business" and you'll get a whole bunch of articles explaining how Apple is going out of business. My understanding is the current dip in 3D ticket sales has more to do with the fact that Skyfall and Dark Knight were both released as 2D-only features, and that the biggest 3D draw was "The Hobbit," which has limited appeal in my opinion. The fact that Prometheus was not some divine revelation didn't exactly help.

3D is odd, it's a technology that will fluctuate in popularity—but I've seen enough compelling content to know it's not going away. TV manufacturers have chosen to make it an unadvertised standard feature, that alone guarantees it'll be around. Finally, I would not bet against James Cameron, and what he's spending the next few years doing: making Avatar 2, 3 and 4. That's what's going to usher in the era of glasses-free 3D.

I hear ya. Just don't see all that much interest in it in my circle.


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Nice panel. It isn't HDMI 2.0 upgradable?
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Only Samsung claim that their panels can be upgraded to HDMI 2.0 via their evolution kit.

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Only Samsung claim that their panels can be upgraded to HDMI 2.0 via their evolution kit.



It amazes me that some of these companies want you to spend a huge amount of money and don't have the business sense to make their new 4K products upgradeable. Sony included!
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Agreed! Considering it is 100% for sure the 4K standard will only be established in the future, that's the only reason I'm not getting into 4K right now. (that and I often get Sony's 4K projector as a long-time loaner)

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Agreed! Considering it is 100% for sure the 4K standard will only be established in the future, that's the only reason I'm not getting into 4K right now. (that and I often get Sony's 4K projector as a long-time loaner)



I gotcha. Will HDMI 1.4 be all we'll need for full 4K movies, it's just the gaming we'll have to worry about? And broadcast TV? Although I'm not holding my breath, people held their breath for networks to broadcast original HD content and were passing out left and right biggrin.gif
I believe ESPN still broadcasts in 720 along with many more.
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For the time being, even for 4K gaming, the plan is to do 4K just for the cut scenes and not for the game-play itself.

Movies, so far require no more than 24 fps.

However, with the need (read: greed) of selling more products, I'm almost certain that sooner rather than later, HDMI 2.0 will be established for higher frame rates.

At the same time, I personally support both HT and Commercial Theatres industries so I want the differentiation to be there such as Atmos stays in the theatres. Maybe high frame rates and 3D 4K are better left for the theatre goers.

As for home? There are still a lot needed to be fixed such as bringing (minimum of) 10-bit video, 4:4:4 colour, frame-by-frame compression for the home instead of jumping to 4K but being stuck with the 8-bit 4:2:0 and group-of-picture compression.

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For the time being, even for 4K gaming, the plan is to do 4K just for the cut scenes and not for the game-play itself.

Movies, so far require no more than 24 fps.

However, with the need (read: greed) of selling more products, I'm almost certain that sooner rather than later, HDMI 2.0 will be established for higher frame rates.

At the same time, I personally support both HT and Commercial Theatres industries so I want the differentiation to be there such as Atmos stays in the theatres. Maybe high frame rates and 3D 4K are better left for the theatre goers.

As for home? There are still a lot needed to be fixed such as bringing (minimum of) 10-bit video, 4:4:4 colour, frame-by-frame compression for the home instead of jumping to 4K but being stuck with the 8-bit 4:2:0 and group-of-picture compression.



What stuck out to me in your response was that you want Atmos stays in theaters (if I understood you right). Is this so we have something to look forward to in theaters or the fact that it will take up too much of our cables bandwidth?
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For me, I'd like to have something to look forward to when I go to movie theatres.

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For me, I'd like to have something to look forward to when I go to movie theatres.



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I thought 3D died or is dying. I know no one who watches 3D

What is ironic is 4K may actually save 3D. Passive 4K 3D produce the best and brightest 3D you can currently get by offering 3840x1080 resolution give you 6MP picture. Although currently it can only upscale to that from 1980x1080p source. It is also the best chance for decent glasses free 3D.
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What is ironic is 4K may actually save 3D. Passive 4K 3D produce the best and brightest 3D you can currently get by offering 3840x1080 resolution give you 6MP picture. Although currently it can only upscale to that from 1980x1080p source. It is also the best chance for decent glasses free 3D.



I want glasses free 3D too, but I could be retired by the time it' gets perfected. So if they take our discs away and 4K is all streaming/downloads 4K 3D should be a real joy trying to stream. Just a thought.
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I want glasses free 3D too, but I could be retired by the time it' gets perfected. So if they take our discs away and 4K is all streaming/downloads 4K 3D should be a real joy trying to stream. Just a thought.

Currently, I find that 3D streaming and broadcast is of unacceptable quality. With 3D, the slightest glitches get magnified—artifacts and resolution loss that you can ignore in 2D becomes glaringly distracting with 3D. I find that only Blu-ray 3D looks similar to a good cinematic presentation, like 3D IMAX.

Because this JVC panel supports up to 2160/60p input, I wonder if it could do 3D through a PC using third-party active glasses.

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For me I will not buy the first year of 4k TV's I don't care what brand
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Glad to here that more models are becoming more available to the public, waiting for the price point to get a little more realistic ( $ 2500-$ 3000) before investing in monitor.
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