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Samsung has announced the imminent arrival of two relatively affordable UHDTV panels that will ship in August—the 55" and 65" models will sell for $5499 and $7499, respectively. The new price points are considerably lower than the $39,999 the company is asking for the 85" flagship S9 UHDTV, but they are still much higher than many equivalent-sized 1080p HDTVs.
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"The 4K TVs will be offered in 55- and 65-inch models that the company says are "following in the footsteps" of the floating 85-inch model Samsung showed off at CES this year. The 55-inch model will cost $5,499.99, the 65-inch model will cost $7,499.99, and the units are expected to ship in early August." Source: The Verge


The new F9000 series will include 55" and 65" screen sizes.

Pre-orders for the new F9000-series edge-lit LCD UHD panels will begin on July 21, with deliveries expected in early August 2013. It appears that Samsung is skipping over the introduction of OLED HDTV in a rush to bring a line of UHDTVs to market—perhaps the fact that 65" Sony UHDTVs are already in stores across the country was a motivating factor.


Samsung's flagship UHDTV—the 85" S9—carries a MSRP of $39,999.

While the future of UHD is still a bit fuzzy due to unresolved issues such as support for high frame rates and 12-bit color, the imminent availability of these new models underscores the absence of OLED from the market. Is the introduction of these two new Samsung UHDTV models a sign that OLED has missed the boat? Will pixel count win out over pixel quality?

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I don't see it mentioned anywhere, but I'm assuming it's LCD?
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I don't see it mentioned anywhere, but I'm assuming it's LCD?

Yes, they are LCD-based panels.

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Yes, they are LCD-based panels.

Why do you think there hasn't been any 4K Plasma announced?
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Why do you think there hasn't been any 4K Plasma announced?

The R&D funding for UHDTV and OLED has taken precedence over plasma. One major issue with plasma—from a manufacturer's standpoint—is efficiency. Plasma consumes far too much power, compared to LED-based LCD and OLED. As screen sizes increase, the power issue could become more acute. Another issue is whether plasma cells can be shrunk until they are small enough to make a UHD 55" or 65" panel; without viable options at those screen sizes, UHD plasma would be DOA.

It's still possible that plasma will be implemented in 4K/UHD configurations, but limited to sizes that are essentially double current plasma panel dimensions. Panasonic already built a proof-of-concept 152" 4K plasma panel—the TH-152UX1—a couple years ago, and it is currently sold through Panasonic "solutions for business."

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It looks like they are made to directly compete with Sony's panels. Where's the matching 4K BD player biggrin.gif
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Hmm so after I spend about $8K on the TV, another $2K on the BD player and buy new 4K discs, am I really going to be blown away or am I gonna notice something a "tad" better than my Kuro???

I think I will invest in 4K projectors in say 3-4 years time when things get settled down as the difference is alot more obvious when you are on a 100" + screen
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No 4K discs yet, but there's 6 AVS news breakers lined up to break that story smile.gif
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Why do you think there hasn't been any 4K Plasma announced?

i'm going to take another view of this. as much as I love plasma, UHD TV's under 70 or 80inches are really more of a novelty. it's nice to have some small sizes for these first gen models just to make them 'affordable' enough normal ppl will consider them and get the technology into homes. but long term, extra resolution is always about getting a bigger screen. UHD means you can slap an 80inch monster where you used to have a 50 inch 1080p tv(which probably replaced a 32inch SD model). making a huge plasma requires a crazy big(and therefore fragile) piece of glass. one of the great benefits of plasmas in todays market is their value. i'm betting 80-100inch plasmas would be ridiculously expensive just because of the cost to manufacture and ship the glass panels.

the push for OLED is really just icing on the cake here.

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I feel the ht enthusiasts have become so indulged in this whole 4K "TV" revolution, that we've forgotten about our dear beloved projectors. I mean I really don't want to have an $8000 piece of glass just waiting for the toddler to tip over while playing chasey with the dog. If 4k is really going to be worthwhile investment, the big players should start to consider projectors , thats a much more logical market (well maybe not for them but for us). *Sigh* Until that day I guess its dreamland for me
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I too am for 4K/UHD FPJ!

I may buy one more projector before they are going to hit reasonable price levels, if I can get great blacks with a bright 3D image from a solid state light source.
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I too am for 4K/UHD FPJ!

I may buy one more projector before they are going to hit reasonable price levels, if I can get great blacks with a bright 3D image from a solid state light source.

Exactly, I just bought my first PJ, the JVC X55 and I'm getting a headache looking for a screen already....
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Questions:
How fast will a 4K Projector bulb burn out, and at what replacement cost, versus a Huge Screen 4K LED/LCD purchase?
How long between calibrations on either?
When will Plasma folk surrender to the 4K LED/LCD side?
Mark an X on the Calendar for you New, 4K LED/LCD Giant Sized Screen with all the latest and greatest HDMI 2.0 Standards for Christmas 2014!
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I feel the ht enthusiasts have become so indulged in this whole 4K "TV" revolution, that we've forgotten about our dear beloved projectors. I mean I really don't want to have an $8000 piece of glass just waiting for the toddler to tip over while playing chasey with the dog. If 4k is really going to be worthwhile investment, the big players should start to consider projectors , thats a much more logical market (well maybe not for them but for us). *Sigh* Until that day I guess its dreamland for me

there's different 'big dogs' in the projector game than the flat panel game. sony might be the only one with serious products in both markets. take a stroll through the projector forums, there's plenty of talk, and speculation about the 4k projectors likely to be unveiled at CEDIA

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Questions:
How fast will a 4K Projector bulb burn out, and at what replacement cost, versus a Huge Screen 4K LED/LCD purchase?
How long between calibrations on either?
When will Plasma folk surrender to the 4K LED/LCD side?
Mark an X on the Calendar for you New, 4K LED/LCD Giant Sized Screen with all the latest and greatest HDMI 2.0 Standards for Christmas 2014!

bulbs run 300-400 on average and last 3000-4000hrs usually. if you save it for only movies(what else is gonna be in 4k anytime soon anyway?) it's like a bulb every two years tops. sony has a 4k projector in the 10k range I think, so not only can you get a MUCH larger screen, that's WAY easier to move around, you also save several thousand even after a high end screen purchase to go with it.

personally, there is zero chance of a tv larger than 70" making it's way into my home. after doing a nice projector room, it feels like going back to a tube tv trying to haul home and set up on a monster like that.

my ultimate plan is a dual projector system. a nice 4k(maybe) projector for movies and critical viewing paired with a LED/Laser/Hybrid projector for casual viewing. unless somebody comes out with a lampless projector capable of really good PQ, then there'd be no need for two. cool.gif

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Questions:
How fast will a 4K Projector bulb burn out, and at what replacement cost, versus a Huge Screen 4K LED/LCD purchase?
How long between calibrations on either?
When will Plasma folk surrender to the 4K LED/LCD side?
Mark an X on the Calendar for you New, 4K LED/LCD Giant Sized Screen with all the latest and greatest HDMI 2.0 Standards for Christmas 2014!

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bulbs run 300-400 on average and last 3000-4000hrs usually. if you save it for only movies(what else is gonna be in 4k anytime soon anyway?) it's like a bulb every two years tops. sony has a 4k projector in the 10k range I think, so not only can you get a MUCH larger screen, that's WAY easier to move around, you also save several thousand even after a high end screen purchase to go with it.

personally, there is zero chance of a tv larger than 70" making it's way into my home. after doing a nice projector room, it feels like going back to a tube tv trying to haul home and set up on a monster like that.

my ultimate plan is a dual projector system. a nice 4k(maybe) projector for movies and critical viewing paired with a LED/Laser/Hybrid projector for casual viewing. unless somebody comes out with a lampless projector capable of really good PQ, then there'd be no need for two. cool.gif

There's another side coming to FPJ that Firece kinda touch on...

Solid State light sources, i.e. LED and Lasers, will be here soon.

With them you get close to the same amount of hours as your do w/ FP's, 20,000+ hours.

They do dim, but only aprox 10-20%. So you'll likely only need one calibration. Maybe two for the purists after they've owned it for a couple years.

Then there will be zero lamp replacement costs.

Like Fierce also mentioned, aside form movies, what else will have 4K resolution?

Only a handful of TV shows are filmed in 4K.

So for me as well, I will have no need for a smaller size TV in 4K. Any TV I do have will be 1080P and cheap to put in the bedroom or some place for non critical viewing.

If FPJ manufacturers can get their act together, w/ UHD projectors that are solid state light sources and bright enough, they could give FP's a good run and take a chunk of the market.

Outside of some business applications, most 4K TV's will be too small to take advantage of the resolution in J6P's living room and give a good incentive for them to upgrade to a projector and screen.
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Very Valid point and thanks for the pointer, some very interesting information.
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In my case, my cabinet currently holds an LG 55" LHX. With the newer, slim designs, I can squeeze in a 60".
So, I don't like Active 3D, meaning I need a 4K 60" TV with 3D Passive, non-edgelit, and this is why some of us need smaller 4K sets.
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Very interesting pricing so far from all the major LCD manufacturers. I have no plans to be an early adopter of UHD, but am definitely interested in the technologies progression. Based on these prices, larger affordable sets will be available in the next few years.

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...When will Plasma folk surrender to the 4K LED/LCD side?...

For me? Never. I'll hang onto my plasma until 4K OLED becomes cost effective. I have absolutely zero interest in buying an LCD.
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Im really having a hard time deciding on the 75f8000 I picked up 3 weeks ago and the 4k65f9000. I only have 3 days left to trade in the 75f8000. I wont have another 7000 to bye a new tv any time in the future and I am trying to decide if I should go 4k now or stick with the 75".

I guess its a question of size or quality and future availability of 4k. I am getting a ps4 and thats one reason im leaning towrds the 4k set.
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Im really having a hard time deciding on the 75f8000 I picked up 3 weeks ago and the 4k65f9000. I only have 3 days left to trade in the 75f8000. I wont have another 7000 to bye a new tv any time in the future and I am trying to decide if I should go 4k now or stick with the 75".

I guess its a question of size or quality and future availability of 4k. I am getting a ps4 and thats one reason im leaning towrds the 4k set.


I'd make sure it's HDMI 2.0 upgradable. Personally I would not be an early adapter of these but that's just me. Best of luck deciding smile.gif
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It is 2.0 ready which is a plus. I am hesitant about being an early adapter also but I have already purchased the f8000 and video only has a no refund policy and only an exchange. So thats where my dilema lies....
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It is 2.0 ready which is a plus. I am hesitant about being an early adapter also but I have already purchased the f8000 and video only has a no refund policy and only an exchange. So thats where my dilema lies....



I didn't think 2.0 was out yet, well that is a definite plus. I see your dilemma also. If you go all the way through with this now, you'll be set for a long time. I know there isn't much out there as far as media goes, but I fully expect that will change within the next year. It's a big step but your part way there already. I have the 4K ready pre/pro and that's it for now. Again good luck to you.
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I can't find where they say these are HDMI 2.0 upgrade able. Assuming they are but would like to see it in black and white.
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I couldnt find it in black and white either, but the sales person which is the manager of the store was selling it as one of the advantages over the sony and lg. Samsung is supposed to be the only 4k available with the plug in for 2.0 just like the spot for the evo kit. Im going to go to a shop today and really look at the 4k and try to see if I can tell a difference or not.
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