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It's the bandwidth, the connector, the flimsy port connection to the circuit board, the cable weight, and the cable length issues that make HDMI a big pile of goose sh_t. They know it, but it's about controlling the market and the upgrade path, not about a good interconnect standard. You can do a lot more with fiber optic.
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If it's not fiber optic inside your gear there's no point to it as far as AV quality goes, and it's too expensive.
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DVI is superior to HDMI in terms of the physics of the cabling and connector.
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DVI is superior to HDMI in terms of the physics of the cabling and connector.



How many DVI ports do you have on your BD player, AVR or pre/amp, amp or panel? Right now HDMI is the best way to get AV to your gear or panel. There's no USB or DVI that's does what HDMI does. Plus DVI doesn't transfer audio. Ok I'm done with the cable discussions after this smile.gif to each his own.




http://m.cnet.com.au/does-dvi-carry-audio-signals-as-well-as-video-339270821.htm?redir=1
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How many DVI ins and outs do you have on your BD player, AVR or pre/amp and amp?

Not the point being made re HDMI.

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I'm not sure how you have come to your conclusions regarding hdmi. I have been using hdmi devices since 2007 and have never had a failure with a cable or connection and can count the number of handshake issues I've experienced on 1 hand.
My real world experience from 2007 to today has included 3 televisions, 3 bluray players, 2 avr's, 2 laptops, 1 desktop, 4 sat/cable boxes and 3 gaming systems all with virtually no issues and increadibly hassle free.

Have you tried to integrate it into a whole house system? Have you tried running a long length of it to a projector? It can be a royal pain the butt since you sometimes have to convert it to some other form of connection (like Ethernet) and there can be handshake issues that accompany this. Not to mention the weight of those thick HDMI cables needed for long runs stressing the ports and circuit board connections?

There are too many hurdles to leap with HDMI.

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Not the point being made re HDMI.



It was his point. I have stellar audio and video through HDMI and there's nothing that comes close and it's here to stay smile.gif
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It was his point. I have stellar audio and video through HDMI and there's nothing that comes close and it's here to stay smile.gif

No, I'm not denying what you have, I'm denying that what you have is because it's the best. It's because of a lot of other considerations besides technical specifications.
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I'm not sure how you have come to your conclusions regarding hdmi. I have been using hdmi devices since 2007 and have never had a failure with a cable or connection and can count the number of handshake issues I've experienced on 1 hand.
My real world experience from 2007 to today has included 3 televisions, 3 bluray players, 2 avr's, 2 laptops, 1 desktop, 4 sat/cable boxes and 3 gaming systems all with virtually no issues and increadibly hassle free.
Are you using licorice cables?

I have to support my HDMI cables with gaffa tape and wood wedges or else they disconnect (green screen) or just fall out.
I have one HDMI cable that work on some equipment and one that work on the other equipment.
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If it's not fiber optic inside your gear there's no point to it as far as AV quality goes, and it's too expensive.
You don't need fiber optics for bandwidth, just a decent connector cable system.

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DVI is superior to HDMI in terms of the physics of the cabling and connector.
I agree!!
I even have DVI with HDCP. The DVI will never fail, the HDCP on the other hand.
Have to turn on equipment in the right order or the HDCP will fail. Smart. rolleyes.gif
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How many DVI ports do you have on your BD player, AVR or pre/amp, amp or panel? Right now HDMI is the best way to get AV to your gear or panel. There's no USB or DVI that's does what HDMI does. Plus DVI doesn't transfer audio. Ok I'm done with the cable discussions after this smile.gif to each his own.
What a stupid argument.
The only reason DVI ports are not there are because somebody blocked it from being a AV transfer standard.

They could have used/exchanged HDMI for HDBaseT Technology long ago.

Plug a Cat5/6 into your equipment (it even has the locking mechanism that HDMI lack) and you are good to go for 100m cable runs.
Carries everything you want to connect to your AV equipment.
So yes; there exist cable and connector systems that are far superior to HDMI.

HDMI even would be OK, if it had been designed for transporting AV in a mechanical secure way. Which it doesn't.
And that is the one part of the argument here; the HDMI connector is too weak to function as a mechanical secure AV transport.
It is just a sh****y mechanical design.

I have had equipment that failed to produce sufficient HDMI signal on 5 meter cables because the HDMI signal generator in the equipment was too weak.

And still the HDMI mafiosa continue blocking other cable connector systems to be generally implemented in AV equipment as an alternative standard.

Been going on for years now. Time to end the misery! mad.gif

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Are you using licorice cables?

I have to support my HDMI cables with gaffa tape and wood wedges or else they disconnect (green screen) or just fall out.
I have one HDMI cable that work on some equipment and one that work on the other equipment.
You don't need fiber optics for bandwidth, just a decent connector cable system.
I agree!!
I even have DVI with HDCP. The DVI will never fail, the HDCP on the other hand.
Have to turn on equipment in the right order or the HDCP will fail. Smart. rolleyes.gif
What a stupid argument.
The only reason DVI ports are not there are because somebody blocked it from being a AV transfer standard.

They could have used/exchanged HDMI for HDBaseT Technology long ago.

Plug a Cat5/6 into your equipment (it even has the locking mechanism that HDMI lack) and you are good to go for 100m cable runs.
Carries everything you want to connect to your AV equipment.
So yes; there exist cable and connector systems that are far superior to HDMI.

HDMI even would be OK, if it had been designed for transporting AV in a mechanical secure way. Which it doesn't.
And that is the one part of the argument here; the HDMI connector is too weak to function as a mechanical secure AV transport.
It is just a sh****y mechanical design.

I have had equipment that failed to produce sufficient HDMI signal on 5 meter cables because the HDMI signal generator in the equipment was too weak.

And still the HDMI mafiosa continue blocking other cable connector systems to be generally implemented in AV equipment as an alternative standard.

Been going on for years now. Time to end the misery! mad.gif

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Stupid argument? Who in there right mind would argue DVI is better when it doesn't even support audio rolleyes.gif Show me a better cable that supports audio AND video that I can use right now. HDMI mafioso? To weak to function? HDMI 2.0 coming out soon. Again my AV is stellar through HDMI with the only weak point is you may have to support it if the cable hangs too much. Listen I'm done with cable argument, conspiracy theories and what if this cable or that cable, it's getting old.
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