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James Cameron has all the chips in place to make Avatar into the grandest of franchises. Coinciding with the advent of UHDTV and forthcoming autostereoscopic 3D panels—glasses free, in other words—three highly anticipated sequels to the sci-fi epic are slated to premier each December, starting in 2016. The first Avatar made nearly three billion dollars in all and kick-started a 3D revolution that many feel failed to live up to the potential that the first Avatar promised.
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Things could turn out differently this time around for 3D enthusiasts. With many HDTVs possessing some sort of 3D capability by default, and because at least a couple of companies are preparing to license glasses-free 3D technology to UHDTV makers, the chances are that the new Avatar movies will do well in terms of home viewing in 3D. And, the forthcoming autostereoscopic 3D panels are not just from the pricey famous Japanese and South Korean brands; expect to see some sort of relatively affordable autostereoscopic UHDTV panels for sale—likely later this year.

With a larger library of 3D titles, viable glasses-free 3D right around the corner, and the promise of at least three years worth of Avatar madness, could it be that 3D is primed for a comeback, better than ever? If anyone can make it happen, James Cameron is that person.

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Why does 3D need to have a comeback at all?

4k content is where the industry's is headed now. cool.gif

Looking forward to see how the story progress's. Three more films in fairly quick succession sounds exciting, but will James Cameron be able to produce comparable films to the original thats the real question?
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It doesn't need to have a comeback. It's here now.
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so 3D will be around till at least 2018 thanks to James Cameron
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This is simultaneously the most ridiculous and most exciting thing I've heard coming from the movie industry in a while.

Did he confirm 48 or 60fps?
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Seriously, 7 years until the sequel!?!?!?!?!?!

I know a good work of art takes time and he's been busy, but still...
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Looking forward for this and by time the 1st one is released for home viewing, I can afford a new 4k pj!
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This is great news for 3D enthusiasts like me. I purchased a 64 inch F8500 and am loving 3D all over again since the debut Avatar film I went to see 3D for the first time. Avatar is the next Star Wars for our kids, plain and simple. I agree this will bring 3D back from the stalemate we are now in because of poor 3D conversions which have become standard it seems and brings the format down as a whole in my opinion.
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I'll watch it but not in 3D! Hurry 12/2016!!

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Avatar is the next Star Wars for our kids, plain and simple..
I hope not, as that would be a travesty.

I had quite enough of the heavy-handed preaching of this sappy, ridiculous story to have to suffer through a sequel (and I watched it twice, once in 2D followed by 3D, which of course did nothing to improve the content).
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Why does 3D need to have a comeback at all?

4k content is where the industry's is headed now. cool.gif

Looking forward to see how the story progress's. Three more films in fairly quick succession sounds exciting, but will James Cameron be able to produce comparable films to the original that's the real question?

Yeah, it's called Dances With Wolves 2. biggrin.gif

Seriously, Avatar was some of his most derivative screenwriting to date. I even liked True Lies and, god forbid, Titanic better than this one. The two official Terminator films, Aliens, and The Abyss are his best stuff. All sci-fi/action classics.

He should now stick to developing technology (his true love) and directing and leave the writing to others.

3D should die! It's distracting since it's not anything like 3D in real life and is lessening the quality of cinematography. The industry should continue to work on 2D visual quality, bringing back the wall-to-wall giant Cinemascope experience, and continuing advancements in surround sound.

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I like 3D as it is. The glass don't bother me at all. If they can do it without glasses, great, as long as the image quality doesn't suffer.

I don't want to watch 3D all the time, but watching a movie once a month or so is great.
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I liked Avatar and it was beautifully done in 3D and 2D and I look forward to the sequel's. But let's leave UHDTV out of this PLEASE! It looks just fine without it. I am so tired of hearing about UHDTV or 4K or whatever they want to call it these days....feels like its being shoved down our throats. But that's the way it goes I guess. rolleyes.gif
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I liked Avatar and it was beautifully done in 3D and 2D and I look forward to the sequel's. But let's leave UHDTV out of this PLEASE! It looks just fine without it. I am so tired of hearing about UHDTV or 4K or whatever they want to call it these days....feels like its being shoved down our throats. But that's the way it goes I guess. rolleyes.gif

It's just a resolution, a pixel count. 2K, 4K, 8K... nothing to get worked up over. James Cameron is going to film Avatar 2 in 4K, at the minimum. UHDTV is capable of full-resolution 1080p/2K passive 3D, which is not possible with today's HDTV standard panels, so UHDTV is critical to being able to watch Avatar and its sequels "as the director intended," even if there is no consumer 4K/UHD format in place when it comes out.

Of course there will be some sort of UHD format available by that time, but the point is that even current 3D Blu-ray demands a panel with a higher pixel count than HD/2K procides, just to display properly using either passive glasses—or autostereoscopically. Not to mention the fact that the 2D version of those movies will look better in UHD.


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The Avatar sequels main focus is higher framerates (60FPS), 3D and 4K are less important.
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The Avatar sequels main focus is higher framerates (60FPS), 3D and 4K are less important.

3D is "less important?" Nope, 3D is the main point of Avatar 1,2,3 and 4. Higher frame rates are a technical challenge, mostly one of bandwidth. But, the reason for a higher framerate is to make the 3D look better. Same with using a higher resolution.

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3D is "less important?" Nope, 3D is the main point of Avatar 1,2,3 and 4. Higher frame rates are a technical challenge, mostly one of bandwidth. But, the reason for a higher framerate is to make the 3D look better. Same with using a higher resolution.

HFR will change the look of cinema dramatically, 4K is an improvement, 3D is just a gimmick cool.gif
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HFR will change the look of cinema dramatically, 4K is an improvement, 3D is just a gimmick cool.gif

This recent article in The Verge describes Mr. Cameron's current thinking on 3D.
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Seriously, Avatar was some of his most derivative screenwriting to date. I even liked True Lies and, god forbid, Titanic better than this one. The two official Terminator films, Aliens, and The Abyss are his best stuff. All sci-fi/action classics

agreed...the writing was terrible...the visuals were gorgeous but the writing felt very basic and uninspired...like he was developing the story around the technology instead of vice versa...he seems more interested in funding his deep sea expeditions and other philanthropic causes these days...his movies are just a way of funding more $$ to those causes...hopefully Avatar 2//3/4 will more then just about pretty visuals, 3D, HFR and whatever other fancy tech catches his eye and more about story and characters

he used to be able to do both...T2, Aliens etc were perfect blends of cutting edge tech and storytelling
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Things could turn out differently this time around for 3D enthusiasts. With many HDTVs possessing some sort of 3D capability by default, and because at least a couple of companies are preparing to license glasses-free 3D technology to UHDTV makers, the chances are that the new Avatar movies will do well in terms of home viewing in 3D. And, the forthcoming autostereoscopic 3D panels are not just from the pricey famous Japanese and South Korean brands; expect to see some sort of relatively affordable autostereoscopic UHDTV panels for sale—likely later this year.

When do you think we might see autostereoscopic in FPJ's?
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agreed...the writing was terrible...the visuals were gorgeous but the writing felt very basic and uninspired...like the was developing the story around the technology instead of vice versa...he seems more interested in funding his deep sea expeditions and other philanthropic causes these days...his movies are just a way of funding more $$ to those causes...hopefully Avatar 2//3/4 will more then just about pretty visuals, 3D, HFR and whatever other fancy tech catches his eye and more about story and characters

he used to be able to do both...T2, Aliens etc were perfect blends of cutting edge tech and storytelling

It's more like he used to be married to Gale Anne Hurd (producer - Aliens), then Kathryn Bigelow (director). I think those two had more to do with the awesomeness of his older movies than many people know.

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This recent article in The Verge describes Mr. Cameron's current thinking on 3D.
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Seems to me that 3D is just the first step, higher framerates is the next step.
Cameron's and Jackson's main goal is to force a motion interpolation-ish (higher framerates) ''look'' upon us. They want the movie experience to be realistic. Realism is more important to them than ''the look'' .

My view is that movie realism will make the experience more real, so watching a decent movie this way would get you a more satisfying experience than the old fasion way (2D 24fps) nevertheless sacrificing the ''movie look '' to reach this goal is not the way to go IMO
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It's more like he used to be married to Gale Anne Hurd (producer - Aliens), then Kathryn Bigelow (director). I think those two had more to do with the awesomeness of his older movies than many people know.

So we need to find him a new talented wifey quickly....


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I applaud James Cameron for exploring new technologies and pushing things forward. Just a shame we have to wait so long for the sequel!smile.gif
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Boy, who cares about his 3D 4K 800FPS CARTOONS.....seriously, I can't watch Avatar as a LIVE action/adventure film.....I felt more in the movie, "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" rolleyes.gif

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Seems to me that 3D is just the first step, higher framerates is the next step.
Cameron's and Jackson's main goal is to force a motion interpolation-ish (higher framerates) ''look'' upon us. They want the movie experience to be realistic. Realism is more important to them than ''the look'' .

My view is that movie realism will make the experience more real, so watching a decent movie this way would get you a more satisfying experience than the old fasion way (2D 24fps) nevertheless sacrificing the ''movie look '' to reach this goal is not the way to go IMO

I'm sure they said the same thing about moving to color from black and white. It's too real!

For what its worth, I didnt particularly care for the hobbit in 48fps...because it didnt look like peter jackson's middle earth to me. It was too significant a break from the previous art style. I'll probably feel the same way about avatar 2-17. But for something where I don't have any preconceived notions about what its "supposed to look like", I'm all for it.

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I saw avatar 1 in scope 3d at amc in rockaway and enjoyed it. The 3d was very good..the sequels will save the 3d box office from doom and force people to buy more 3d blurays.
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Ugh James Cameron is the next George Lucas, Avatar was a complete rip off of Dances with Wolves, plain and simple, extremely boring moving, only thing its good for is demos due to the visuals, otherwise its crap, plain and simple.
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