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Probably yes, but lack of quality 3D content might turn this "game changer" into another forgettable gimmick. Leaving most people turning off the 3D effect and opting for a solid 2D experience instead.

Even now with current 3D content which require glasses, when its done right it can be amazing ie. The Life Of Pi 3D BluRay. But for every 1 quality 3D release, there are 100 crap titles ie. The Green Hornet, that don't even film with 3D cameras but add the 3d effect in post production. Once you've seen a couple half assed 3D efforts, the excitement factor goes down the toilet, and you'd rather save the inevitable eye strain for only the most well reviewed releases, which are far a few between.



I skipped 3D when I bought my current panel and now I'm kind of regretting it. I've seen them done right (like you said) in IMAX 3D and they can be pretty amazing. I am hoping my next panel will be UHD 3D, when HDMI 2.0 is out and I don't have to mortgage the house for a 60" panel.
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Probably yes, but lack of quality 3D content might turn this "game changer" into another forgettable gimmick. Leaving most people turning off the 3D effect and opting for a solid 2D experience instead.

Even now with current 3D content which require glasses, when its done right it can be amazing ie. The Life Of Pi 3D BluRay. But for every 1 quality 3D release, there are 100 crap titles ie. The Green Hornet, that don't even film with 3D cameras but add the 3d effect in post production. Once you've seen a couple half assed 3D efforts, the excitement factor goes down the toilet, and you'd rather save the inevitable eye strain for only the most well reviewed releases, which are far a few between.
That's funny, I saw The Green Hornet mentioned here (in another subforum, plasma) as one of the better examples of 3D. wink.gif Just goes to show one man's trash is another's treasure.
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So basically 0.65 vs. 0.33 arcminutes. As if that wasn't done by Japanese long time ago, several times if memory serves me right.

Literally, lmao. Yeah, go ahead and show me the human resolving .33 arcminutes.

Then. show me the real evidence, not propaganda generated by entities with a vested interest in the proliferation of "ultra hd".

This sums it up quite nicely (even with its virtually non-existent use of a 6' viewing distance for a 50" television) http://wolfcrow.com/blog/notes-by-dr-optoglass-the-resolution-of-the-human-eye/ but there's more valid, scientific data out there if one chooses to pursue it.

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I've been watching my 50" from 5ft away and my 84" from 8ft away biggrin.gif

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After reading this, this guy (me) decided to buy a crappy Panasonic Plasma TV cool.gif
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The pillars (which are usually black) are able to be changed on some sets. Check the setup screens and see if you can change the color.

Tried, to no avail, its just a crappy tv. That's how all the blacks on it look.

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I've been watching my 50" from 5ft away and my 84" from 8ft away biggrin.gif
How close to your monitor were you when you typed this. eek.gifrolleyes.gif

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I've been watching my 50" from 5ft away and my 84" from 8ft away biggrin.gif

David;
Is this chart valid based strictly on pixel size/resolution?
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I've been watching my 50" from 5ft away and my 84" from 8ft away biggrin.gif

Quality blu-ray transfers and i can sit 2.5/3ft from a 50" plasma. Not too long though, as the eyes can become a bit dry lol.

Usually 5ft for everything including SD - fills the field of vision on a 50" for me.
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If that chart is right and I go with a 60" panel and my seating is around 9' 6" I'll never see the difference in UHD. Actually at my seating distance I can't see the difference over 720 with my 1080 panel eek.gif
If I moved my seating forward to 5' or 6' that would mean my Revel towers and center channel would be approx 3' 6" to 4' 6" from the MLP. At that distance I doubt I would get the huge soundstage that I'm getting now, and other advantages as far as audio goes. All this said UHD and the content to go with it will be the norm within a couple years and knowing me I will have to have it. There are no disadvantages to it, except the money part biggrin.gif but I do need a bigger panel I'm just biding my time.
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How close to your monitor were you when you typed this. eek.gifrolleyes.gif

I use my Blackberry Q10, I can see the letters very clearly from an arm's length away. But for my PC I use 23" monitor viewed from 3ft away.

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Here are some great points made by Mr ISF himself Joel Silver about why the resolution is the very least important on a long list before that...

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/gadgetwise/2013/06/17/why-you-dont-need-a-4k-tv/
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Oooooooold article. Joel is only saying that all things being equal, resolution is the least important, which I totally agree.

However, the article claiming that you need a giant TV and sit from 3ft away is a gross exaggeration. Only someone with zero experience with 4K TV can make that claim.

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You are missing the point - and of course you agree with it... Joel Silver said it.

But how long is it going to be exactly before all of the above (except the extra pixels) will match that dynamic range/ansi etc etc of plasmas and hopefully OLED. Not from an LCD or indeed a cheapo LCD that's for sure.

Something to watch like a material standard would be nice too.
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Oooooooold article. Joel is only saying that all things being equal, resolution is the least important, which I totally agree.

However, the article claiming that you need a giant TV and sit from 3ft away is a gross exaggeration. Only someone with zero experience with 4K TV can make that claim.

TV technology is experiencing a period of great progress, assumptions based on the past will keep getting smashed by the future. Can LCD have the contrast ratio of OLED or plasma? Of course it can—build a 55" LCD that costs $9000 and I guarantee it'll be a thing of beauty, but the thing about LCD is that it is the size and value leader—however quality continues to improve.

It won't be long before UHDTVs with 70+ inch screen sizes are quite affordable, and we have not even discussed what will happen in the home theater market when inexpensive UHD projectors hit the market.

UHD is more than pixels, but more pixels are part of the package. Processing power and bandwidth are the key to UHD. I'm baffled that people are resistant to what amounts to another expression of Moore's law. biggrin.gif

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Yes, such a device can be built, but then you can add other artifacts like blooming and those pesky pitiful viewing angles (haven't seen any evidence this has been solved).
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Imagic.

How many backlit LED's would you think it would take to have a "black canvas" with content on screen like a Plasma or OLED ?.

Answer - as many as you like but it's still an impossibility - due to (absolute) limitations of the technology smile.gif

If that's resistance - but at the same time facts of life.

Then so be it.

As 1080P with plasma - U-HD OLED will rule the roost with the higher resolution if anyone likes it or not.

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