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Samsung and Sony recently announced significant price cuts on their high-end LCD-based 55" and 65" UHDTV offerings. Additionally, Sony announced the imminent availability of a more economical UHDTV that forgoes the external speakers of the debut model, resulting in $500 savings at both screen sizes.


Sony and Samsung are chopping prices on UHDTVs

Both companies cut the price of their 55" UHD models by $1000, and the price of 65" units dropped $1500. As a result, Sony's XBR-55X900A now sells for $4000, while the 65-inch XBR-65X900A now sells for $5500. Under Samsung's new pricing, the UN55F9000 now sells for $4500, while the UN65F900 now sells for $6000.
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"All of the mentioned Ultra HD TVs are LCD flat-panel displays with LED edge or back lighting and offer roughly four times the resolution level of today’s most common FullHD 1080p displays.

Meanwhile, retailers also confirmed to TWICE that Sony started the price moves two weeks ago by notifying dealers of Ultra HD price cuts it was making on Aug. 25." source: twice.com

In addition, Sony plans to sell 55" and 65" UHD models that don't include expensive front facing speakers. The price points for these new models are $3500 for 55 inches and $5000 for 65 inches. When Sony initially introduced the XBR-X900A line, many members of this forum criticized the company for the decision to include front-facing speakers. Most of the commenters mentioned that a soundbar or an AVR-based surround system is usually a standard accessory for a TV of this size and price.
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"Dealer sources said Sony told dealers it was also preparing to introduce two new additional Ultra HD models that do not include the elaborate internal sound and speaker systems that highlight the X900A-series units.

Sony’s two new Ultra HD LCD TVs models are to include a 55-inch unit at a $3498 UPP and a 65-inch unit at a $4,998 UPP." source: twice.com

There is a lot of debate about whether UHD is worth the premium price, and whether early adopters will regret it if they don't wait for HDMI 2.0. With prices dropping this quickly, buying a premium 2160p panel from one of the major manufacturers could be within reach of budget-conscious buyers sooner than expected. I know I'll be on the lookout next spring for clearance-priced UHDTVs.

How low do prices have to go, before you would consider a UHDTV over a 1080p model?

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Samsung and Sony recently announced significant price cuts on their high-end LCD-based 55" and 65" UHDTV offerings. Additionally, Sony announced the imminent availability of a more economical UHDTV that forgoes the external speakers of the debut model, resulting in $500 savings at both screen sizes.


Sony and Samsung are chopping prices on UHDTVs

Both companies cut the price of their 55" UHD models by $1000, and the price of 65" units dropped $1500. As a result, Sony's XBR-55X900A now sells for $4000, while the 65-inch XBR-65X900A now sells for $5500. Under Samsung's new pricing, the UN55F9000 now sells for $4500, while the UN65F900 now sells for $6000.
In addition, Sony plans to sell 55" and 65" UHD models that don't include expensive front facing speakers. The price points for these new models are $3500 for 55 inches and $5000 for 65 inches. When Sony initially introduced the XBR-X900A line, many members of this forum criticized the company for the decision to include front-facing speakers. Most of the commenters mentioned that a soundbar or an AVR-based surround system is usually a standard accessory for a TV of this size and price.
There is a lot of debate about whether UHD is worth the premium price, and whether early adopters will regret it if they don't wait for HDMI 2.0. With prices dropping this quickly, buying a premium 2160p panel from one of the major manufacturers could be within reach of budget-conscious buyers sooner than expected. I know I'll be on the lookout next spring for clearance-priced UHDTVs.

How low do prices have to go, before you would consider a UHDTV over a 1080p model?

Thanks for the info. Today I saw AVATAR Blu Ray played on Blu Ray player and upconverted to 4K by the Samsung UHD, the picture was 3D like. I was going to buy a new HDTV but decided to wait for a lower priced 4K.
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I recently had a chance to see the samsung 4K 65 inch tv at my local best buy and the 4K resolution was apparent and phenomenal to my eyes. They were playing native 4K content(time lapse of Boston skyline) and the detail was incredible!

Even my wife who normally does not care for such matters was visibly amazed. We moved over to an adjacent room playing Tron on bluray and it looked fuzzy to us :P

However I will hold off till the hardware standards are formalized and there is wider adoption(plus even lower prices). Moreover there really needs to be more content to justify upgrading from my very well performing Panasonic plasmas.


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Samsung and Sony recently announced significant price cuts on their high-end LCD-based 55" and 65" UHDTV offerings. Additionally, Sony announced the imminent availability of a more economical UHDTV that forgoes the external speakers of the debut model, resulting in $500 savings at both screen sizes.

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How low do prices have to go, before you would consider a UHDTV over a 1080p model?

Personally, I would only look at at 65" UHDTV if there was enough content out there, first and foremost, and if the price was $2800 - $3500.

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As good as 4K material looks (Every time I'm in Magnolia I cop a seat to ooohh and ahhh, LOL), for me to upgrade from my 70" sharp (with a darblet hooked to it) prices have to come down to the 3k range and they need to have a 70" or 75" in that price range which means I might be waiting awhile....
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I will wait for 80", HDMI 2.0, and the price at $3000-3500. With the Chinese company's offering cheaper UHD alternatives, the prices on the high end TV's is going to nose dive fast. As it is already. Need to get past the 65 inch mark though, and affordable. Sonys 84" UHD still at $24,999 is obsurd. Good 80 incher at decend price would keep me from going projector next year.

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I am really glad to see them getting rid of the huge speakers. That would keep me from buying one just on principle. I really don't like when you're forced to buy expensive speakers that you won't even use (and that are still a huge sonic sacrifice compared to a HT sound system) just to get the best display technology.

Anyway, regarding price, once these get down below 2000 for a 70+ incher I'll be interested. No use in buying one of the smaller sets as you'd have to sit so close to notice the difference it would be sort of ridiculous. A 40" 4k tv is a joke, or a half-decent computer monitor...
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When I saw these at the store recently I'll admit that the resolution definitely added some 'wow' to the picture they were displaying....same feeling I got when I saw 1080p for the first time. However, I'm learier and more experienced since seeing 1080p that first time and am waiting till uniformity can be better guaged...in store its usually hard to see the issues with all the lighting.

Another thing I'd want to know is if the 'dimming zones' also got subsequently smaller to account for the finer resolution.
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Wait....eliminating "expensive front facing speakers"...seriously? We have to pay more for speakers that are intelligible? Keep the rear facing speakers and HALVE the price and see what happens...TVs would fly off the shelf (as would Zvoxes and nicer soundbars)
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I recently had a chance to see the samsung 4K 65 inch tv at my local best buy and the 4K resolution was apparent and phenomenal to my eyes. They were playing native 4K content(time lapse of Boston skyline) and the detail was incredible!

Even my wife who normally does not care for such matters was visibly amazed. We moved over to an adjacent room playing Tron on bluray and it looked fuzzy to us :P

However I will hold off till the hardware standards are formalized and there is wider adoption(plus even lower prices). Moreover there really needs to be more content to justify upgrading from my very well performing Panasonic plasmas.

Yep, I saw the same video and I was very impressed with UHD.. I went home and demanded my wife buy me one for Christmas...
Also, the 90in Sharp looked 480p after seeing the Samsung UHD 65in
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I will wait for 80", HDMI 2.0, and the price at $3000-3500. With the Chinese company's offering cheaper UHD alternatives, the prices on the high end TV's is going to nose dive fast. As it is already. Need to get past the 65 inch mark though, and affordable. Sonys 84" UHD still at $24,999 is obsurd. Good 80 incher at decend price would keep me from going projector next year.
Only if the Chinese Tv's hit the performance bar and can get dealers outside of the Costco and Sam's Club.

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It will take continuing price reductions, OLED perhaps even plasma UHDTV's so I don't have to sacrifice contrast for pixel count in order for me to buy one. But most of all I would need content and physical media. Without that, no thanks. To me all these UHDTV's going on sale is like gun companies selling a bunch of .357 magnums but you can still only go to the store and buy .38 special rounds for it.
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Boy, I keep going back and forth on getting the 65" HD 4K Sony or Samsung or getting the 75" Samsung F8000.

In theory, I like the Samsung Evolution box concept for when the standards settle out, and I have the room for it behind whatever set I get (no wall mounting for this).

Any potential application downsides to the Samsung and then getting the Evolution kit for HDMI 2.0 when it's released? Like maybe the Evolution kit won't get released or some technology change requires something different in the screen itself?
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We're buying two a/v systems and I have the same dilemma as GerryWaz is facing. For our family room we're considering Samsung's 65" F9000 or the 75" F8000. Most of our seating is about 10' from the screen and although we could go for the 75" I think for 10" the 65" is likely big enough and considering we're not likely to upgrade for several years we're leaning towards the UHD TV.

My local dealer tells me that for HDMI 2.0 and the upcoming decoding HEVC will all be upgraded through the external media box, but he's not sure if rec 2020 comes along that the panel will be able to produce the bigger color pallet. My local dealer is a technical guy and speaks geek very well.

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the difference between 65 and 75 inches is quite large. The 75 is 33% larger than the 65 with more than 600sq inches of extra screen.
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It will take continuing price reductions, OLED perhaps even plasma UHDTV's so I don't have to sacrifice contrast for pixel count in order for me to buy one. But most of all I would need content and physical media. Without that, no thanks. To me all these UHDTV's going on sale is like gun companies selling a bunch of .357 magnums but you can still only go to the store and buy .38 special rounds for it.
I'm with you. Contrast (with deep blacks) and screen uniformity won't be sacrificed at the altar of higher resolution in this household. Plasma 4k isn't looking especially likely (Panasonic's big announcement at the coming IFA event is 4K LED...so they're playing the "can't beat 'em, join 'em" routine)...so that leaves OLED to somehow reach price parity with LCD in maybe 5 years, as the LCD worldwide apocalypse horror show begins to unfold.
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I will need a 4K OLED, one with HDMI 2.0, Displayport and rec. 2020, as well as actual 4K content that is readily available. Until, then..... I have no interest at all.
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1080p is here to stay.
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1080p is here to stay.

So is 480p, 720p, and 2160p. There's probably room for 1440p in there somewhere. wink.gif

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Really low! Edge Lit - I don't think so, and with no HDMI 2.0 or Thunderbolt, or what ever connector for the 60FPS, plus Active 3D - I think they'd have to pay me to take it off their hands!
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A $4k-ish 65" UHD set certainly wouldn't hurt, IMO, but we're still stuck with the elephant trying to get into the room: content. Until that gets sorted out in earnest, unless the HDTV Fairy drops a set off under my pillow, I'm going to have to pass...

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1080p is here to stay.

So is 480p, 720p, and 2160p. There's probably room for 1440p in there somewhere. wink.gif

you're forgetting 540p wink.gif
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they need to drop a LOT more than what manufacturers would think is reasonable.

it's not the price that's holding me back at this point, it's the LED edge-lighting, lack of UHD content of ANY kind in my immediate future(or even within the next year), and of course the finalized input needs to get sorted out and be included.

i had an HDTV without hdmi inputs(DVI only) and continued to use if for 5years after HDMI was the standard and it was a pain.

so for me, they need to fix the problems with the picture quality, content, and connections at the current prices(or less is good too), or drop the prices to a point i wouldn't be buying them for my main reference display. so like 700-800 for the 55, because the only place it's currently suitable is the bright living room where i never watch movies.

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I need OTA UHD content and Displayport/HDMI2- we're clearly headed there and I need "clarity" on the wiring protocol so i can invest in the proper video cards for my HTPCs.

I'm already game for the 46" version as a desktop monitor so long as I can run 4 full monitor screens on it. The dual-DVI approach is probably only a stopgap, although it should work very well technically.
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Sounds good - perhaps this is the start of the push for distancing LED U-HD from OLED U-HD displays - OLED U-HD of course being touted as the premium way to go.

Be a while though no doubt until we see any significant price cutting of the latter though i will imagine.
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Sounds good - perhaps this is the start of the push for distancing LED U-HD from OLED U-HD displays - OLED U-HD of course being touted as the premium way to go.

Be a while though no doubt until we see any significant price cutting of the latter though i will imagine.

The cost of a 1080p OLED went from $15,000 to $9000 in a matter of months. I'd guess UHD OLED will debut at a similar lofty level, and drop just as quickly—but as of now there's zero indication if/when such a TV will be available.

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Yep, I saw the same video and I was very impressed with UHD.. I went home and demanded my wife buy me one for Christmas...
Also, the 90in Sharp looked 480p after seeing the Samsung UHD 65in

Well no wonder, higher native resolution content on a smaller screen is of course going to look better up close (4k content vs 1080i/p network television/blu ray whatever you were looking at on the sharp) then a larger lower resolution set playing lower resolution content. The problem is we have next to no native 4k content, these tv's are coming out and avs keeps pumping up 4k hardware but I dont see a large array or much of any 4k material on the horizon which makes it some what pointless at the moment, of course some will say that they can see subtle improvements in the up-conversion.

Before I go out and buy 4k at a premium i will wait until content is readily available. Its great to look at demo material in the store playing 4k and say wow this is the best thing i ever seen, its another to actually have all sorts of content readily available to be enjoyed by the consumer. I dont want to be viewing 4k demo discs for the next few years until my favorite movies or tv shows available at 4k.

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A $4k-ish 65" UHD set certainly wouldn't hurt, IMO, but we're still stuck with the elephant trying to get into the room: content. Until that gets sorted out in earnest, unless the HDTV Fairy drops a set off under my pillow, I'm going to have to pass...

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Within a year or so I think UHD content will be much more abundant, maybe even a new disc format. Not that I feel like upgrading the rest of my gear right now (I just upgraded 3 pieces recently and my pre/pro upscales SD and HD to UHD) but if we all remember not so long ago there was no HD content either, how things have changed in the last 8 years or so wink.gif
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Within a year or so I think UHD content will be much more abundant, maybe even a new disc format. Not that I feel like upgrading the rest of my gear right now (I just upgraded 3 pieces recently) but if we all remember not so long ago there was no HD content either, how things have changed in the last 8 years or so wink.gif

Well not entirely true, hdtv was readily available for some channels back in 2003 or at least thats when i first started receiving hdtv channels. I had a benq 720p projector for 3999 and was an earily adopter and subscribed to some hdtv channels back in 2004. Some also have d-vhs that they still prefer over bad blu ray transfers.

The first blu ray and hd-dvd player was released in 2006, so in the last 7-8 years not much has changed at all with regards to next generation picture quality improvement. What I am saying though is when hdtv sets first came out we did see some content available to watch. I had about 13 channels available. Right now i see ultra hdtv's with really no way medium widely available to view this content for the consumer.

Blu ray will either need to add much more storage space, or we will need h.265 codec or some better form of compression. It will happen im just not convinced it will happen within a year where we have a decent assortment to choose from.

I think online content delivery is so popular though it may halt the availability of wide spread releases being available in 4k until that catches up.
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Within a year or so I think UHD content will be much more abundant, maybe even a new disc format. Not that I feel like upgrading the rest of my gear right now (I just upgraded 3 pieces recently and my pre/pro does 4K) but if we all remember not so long ago there was no HD content either, how things have changed in the last 8 years or so wink.gif

The world of digital video capture is moving towards affordable 4K quite rapidly. Expect the next generation of high-end video oriented DSLRs to include a 4K option. The key is that 4K capture is already affordable to Hollywood and TV networks, and soon it will also be affordable for independent productions and individuals. Canon already has a 4K-capable DLSR on the market for $12,000, which makes it an affordable rental: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/855962-REG/Canon_EOS_1D_C_EOS_1D_C_4K_Cinema.html



When more affordable 4K DSLRs hit the market, the 4K drought will turn into a flood. Eight years ago, DLSRs had no video capability whatsoever and shooting 1080i video was an expensive proposition requiring pro gear. Now, 1080/60p video capture is available on $500 DLSR kits that straight-up outperform $50,000 camera rigs from eight years ago.

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