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Mark, was the F8000 there? It's the best led edge lit tv from Samsung. If so, how did it compare to the st and zt? Or by best of the best are you referring to the Sharp elite because that tv is not the best of the best.....it couldn't decode cyan or magenta properly

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how will this effect long term support for panny plasmas?
Panasonic will support the terms of their warranty. After that, all bets are off.
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Samsung's UN65F9000 actually

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Here's the latest. Looks like this dashes any hope of one last line in 2014.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1383210619&newsletter
I just read it today,talking about doomsday.
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Samsung has a 2014 model and Panasonic doesn't?eek.gif
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Samsung has a 2014 model and Panasonic doesn't?eek.gif
We have to wait in see.
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Samsung's UN65F9000 actually

I just checked out the cnet review of the F9000 and compared it with your thoughts and they were similar....heres what David had to say

"the F9000 was one of the best-looking TVs in the room. Yes, the two plasmas showed a more consistently deep black level, especially the superb ZT60, but in the darker scenes, the F9000 outdid the depth of the S64's black, too."

Not consistent levels of black like you said but im glad to read that the black was indeed deeper than the great value Panny S64. Now im stoked to pick it up this weekend

OH, and one more thing...the F9000 unfortunately did not have the precision local dimming feature. It doesnt shut off the back light in the widescreen bars...so that could've added a bit more consistency with black levels bbbbbbbbut you dont know for sure :P

Anyways, thanks for the heads up man
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I posted this before and it was deleted so this time I'll edit it (moderators are quite strict about this thread) and repeat what I said weeks ago
I was given an infraction for "spreading false information" but now it's been officially confirmed

http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/10/31/5050038/panasonic-plasma-tv-production-end


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New C net articles about Panasonic's exit from Plasma set review links also .
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TV shoppers: Now is the time to buy a Panasonic plasma
Panasonic has confirmed that its excellent plasma-based televisions won't be available for sale after March 2014. If you were waiting to get a new TV, now's the best, and close to the last, time you can acquire one of our favorites.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57610230-221/tv-shoppers-now-is-the-time-to-buy-a-panasonic-plasma/

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57610172-93/panasonic-to-pull-the-plug-on-plasma-tv-panels/

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New C net articles about Panasonic's exit from Plasma set review links also .

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This is a sad day to hear about the news. I'm heartbroken. I've spent countless hours over the past year researching what the best TV is, in terms of picture quality, which is plasma. Finally near the end of this year I managed to save up $900 for a 1080p S60. Now I hear this. The best Plasma manufacturer ever existed is done. This is a start to the end of Plasma's. It will be years before OLED will be stable and affordable! R.I.P. Plasma, you will be missed.

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^The beginning of the end of plasma started in 2008 actually. wink.gif
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I just checked out the cnet review of the F9000 and compared it with your thoughts and they were similar....heres what David had to say

"the F9000 was one of the best-looking TVs in the room. Yes, the two plasmas showed a more consistently deep black level, especially the superb ZT60, but in the darker scenes, the F9000 outdid the depth of the S64's black, too."

Not consistent levels of black like you said but im glad to read that the black was indeed deeper than the great value Panny S64. Now im stoked to pick it up this weekend

OH, and one more thing...the F9000 unfortunately did not have the precision local dimming feature. It doesnt shut off the back light in the widescreen bars...so that could've added a bit more consistency with black levels bbbbbbbbut you dont know for sure :P

Anyways, thanks for the heads up man


My brother bought an F9000, and it looked good, but he returned it due to buzzing. As soon as I walked in the door, sat down where he sits and he turned it on, I too heard the famous plasma buzz......Like a florescent light ballast or transformer buzz that disappeared when I sat 3-4' off axis, but was pretty annoying when sitting right in front of the unit.

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My brother bought an F9000, and it looked good, but he returned it due to buzzing. As soon as I walked in the door, sat down where he sits and he turned it on, I too heard the famous plasma buzz......Like a florescent light ballast or transformer buzz that disappeared when I sat 3-4' off axis, but was pretty annoying when sitting right in front of the unit.

It must have been another model. The F9000 is a UHD LED-edgelit LCD from Samsung.

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It must have been another model. The F9000 is a UHD LED-edgelit LCD from Samsung.

You're 100% correct, it was a Samsung PN60F8500.........My bad. tongue.gif

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Panasonic is going to get a rude awaking by dropping Plasma TV's,thats their forte,So I hope they make better Led TV's.For what I read they focusing on OLED TV's then they got to compete with Samsung,LG on those TV's,But in Januray the CES show is coming,so we just wait in see.
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Panasonic is going to get a rude awaking by dropping Plasma TV's,thats their forte,So I hope they make better Led TV's.For what I read they focusing on OLED TV's then they got to compete with Samsung,LG on those TV's,But in Januray the CES show is coming,so we just wait in see.

Quite the opposite. Panasonic will stop losing money on a technology that offers superior image quality but suffers from poor efficiency, high manufacturing costs at large sizes, and an inability to achieve UHD resolution at smaller sizes.

If you want to know what is really killing plasma, you need only look at smartphones and tablets. Those devices use either LCD or OLED displays, and that's where all the R&D money goes. 


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Quite the opposite. Panasonic will stop losing money on a technology that offers superior image quality but suffers from poor efficiency, high manufacturing costs at large sizes, and an inability to achieve UHD resolution at smaller sizes.


If you want to know what is really killing plasma, you need only look at smartphones and tablets. Those devices use either LCD or OLED displays, and that's where all the R&D money goes. 
I think the brightness factor and stigma kill it. It will remain a niche until LG and Samsung stop making them. It will take a while before OLED is cheap enough to make in large sizes. Plasma is actually very economical in large sizes, where OLED will have to be 2 years.
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I think the brightness factor and stigma kill it. It will remain a niche until LG and Samsung stop making them. It will take a while before OLED is cheap enough to make in large sizes. Plasma is actually very economical in large sizes, where OLED will have to be 2 years.

I was thinking 70 inches and over, and more specifically 80 inches—where TVs start to overlap with projectors for home theater use. A 80" Sharp or Vizio LCD costs less than $4000. Panasonic wanted $18,000 for a 85" plasma. Plasma panels are too heavy and power hungry to scale up to those sizes, at least for home use.


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^The beginning of the end of plasma started in 2008 actually. wink.gif

No. Just no. The end of PIONEER ended in 2008/2009

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And plasma was at a standstill in the intervening years for the most part, in large part thanks to how far along their engineering team was. Pioneer still exists as a company also.
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Quite the opposite. Panasonic will stop losing money on a technology that offers superior image quality but suffers from poor efficiency, high manufacturing costs at large sizes, and an inability to achieve UHD resolution at smaller sizes.


If you want to know what is really killing plasma, you need only look at smartphones and tablets. Those devices use either LCD or OLED displays, and that's where all the R&D money goes. 
Well you don't have to worry about me buying edge light Led tv and Oled are too expensive.
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And plasma was at a standstill in the intervening years for the most part, in large part thanks to how far along their engineering team was. Pioneer still exists as a company also.
So what will happen with all those Plasma engineers? Will they start working on LCd's and OLEDs? Or will they be out of a job?
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So what will happen with all those Plasma engineers? Will they start working on LCd's and OLEDs? Or will they be out of a job?

The engineering talent already moved on to OLED development, or other greener pastures. Panasonic already said that there would be no more R&D money spent on plasma, many months ago.


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Quite the opposite. Panasonic will stop losing money on a technology that offers superior image quality but suffers from poor efficiency, high manufacturing costs at large sizes, and an inability to achieve UHD resolution at smaller sizes.


If you want to know what is really killing plasma, you need only look at smartphones and tablets. Those devices use either LCD or OLED displays, and that's where all the R&D money goes. 
Well you don't have to worry about me buying edge light Led tv and Oled are too expensive.


Well then Chise I don't know what your going to do then being almost all of your LED TV's are now Edge Lit. Full Array is on its way out due to cost saving measures by the manufacturers and Plasma is going to be done by 2014, from Panasonic that is. That being all said I don't know why Panasonic quitting Plasma is such a surprise to everyone. LCD/LED has been out selling Plasma for years and to me it was only a matter of time before Panasonic cut the cord and went in another direction. I saw it coming when I started seeing Panasonic start making LED TV's. And now that they are partnering up with Sony to start making OLED TV'S its gonna be interesting on how far they and Sony can take the OLED technology. I think OLED is gonna replace 4K as well.

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Well then Chise I don't know what your going to do then being almost all of your LED TV's are now Edge Lit. Full Array is on its way out due to cost saving measures by the manufacturers and Plasma is going to be done by 2014, from Panasonic that is. That being all said I don't know why Panasonic quitting Plasma is such a surprise to everyone. LCD/LED has been out selling Plasma for years and to me it was only a matter of time before Panasonic cut the cord and went in another direction. I saw it coming when I started seeing Panasonic start making LED TV's. And now that they are partnering up with Sony to start making OLED TV'S its gonna be interesting on how far they and Sony can take the OLED technology. I think OLED is gonna replace 4K as well.

OLED technology cannot replace 4K. Upcoming OLED TVs will be 4K UHDTVs.


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If given a choice, I'd choose 1080p OLED over 3840p LED-LCD with no hesitation.

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Check this out. Found this over on the UK forum. It doesn't look like plasma ever had much of the market.

http://www.displaysearch.com/cps/rde/xchg/displaysearch/hs.xsl/120103_lcd_tv_shipment_growth_to_improve_in_2012_driven_by_40_and_larger_sizes.asp

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