It appears that Panasonic is abandoning plasma panel production for good. According to Japan's Nikkei business outlet—and reported by Engadget—the company will not produce any more plasma televisions after the end of the company's current fiscal year, which ends in March 2014.
Panasonic's VT60 plasma was very highly rated, but there will be no sequel
About six months ago, Panasonic denied it was exiting the plasma business . The official word from the company was that plasma production would continue, even if R&D on new panels would not. The company's 2013 plasma models were among the all-time best-reviewed HDTVs, finally achieving (or beating) the image quality benchmark set by Pioneer's defunct Kuro line.
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"Sales will then continue until inventory runs out. The paper states that Panasonic has suffered losses exceeding 750 billion yen through fiscal 2012 thanks to the waning product line and is in talks to transfer tenancy rights or sell off its remaining plasma factory." source: Engadget
It looks like the curse of the Kuro has struck again; when a plasma panel's image quality gets too close to perfect, the whole line gets cancelled—and now the future truly belongs to LCD and OLED. I am curious how long Samsung and LG will continue building and selling plasma HDTVS, considering this development.
Update: Reuters has an article that is now cited by numerous national publications as a primary source for this news.
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"The move also signals the demise in Japan of a technology in which TV makers once invested heavily but has now been overtaken by advances in the liquid crystal display (LCD) business. Plasma display TVs accounted for less than 6 percent of global shipments in 2012, compared with 87 percent for LCD TVs" source: Reuters
Chise, it may be one, but it´s not the only reason, I guess. Between others, that I may not be aware of, the successful "combined" marketing over LCD displays trhough the other major brands as Sony, Samsung, LG specially on smaller panels also forced Panasonic on a turn around towards the LCD, as its financial results on this field were going (I do not know how it is today, though) from bad to worse year after year.
I remember buying my hd plasma tv set still in 2009 for half the price of the similar size lcd. Today prices are similar for the remaining units, at least here in Brazil where they made available this year only the 64 inch VT60 model.
Here, Panasonic is kind of (for me clearly) leaving this field, keeping some LCD/LED models, and losing market share to Samsung / Sony.
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Originally Posted by imagic /t/1494093/panasonic-to-end-plasma-panel-production-by-april-2014/300#post_23952505
Because it turned out that most people prioritized portability and availability over quality. Back then portable devices did not have the storage to hold HD audio formats, in addition to the bandwidth issues. Now is the right time for a resurgence of HD audio, especially since HD video paved the way for 24/96 multi-channel audio support on just about every stereo system out there.
Sony recently held a press conference where it committed to spearheading a HD audio renaissance.. The company says it is all-in when it comes to online delivery of HD audio and the gear needed to play it back.
So you've said. When employees/engineers are fired/transitioned and factories are gutted/sold/converted, they can't just flick a switch and bring that all back.
True, but I don't think 4K OLEDs are around the corner either. A Plasma leap to 4K could happen in 5 years, if microLED displays fail big time. I think as micro-LED succeeds, Plasma will get dumped; but it won't happen soon. True 4K content isn't around the corner either.
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Originally Posted by Weboh /t/1494093/panasonic-to-end-plasma-panel-production-by-april-2014/330#post_23979049
True, but I don't think 4K OLEDs are around the corner either. A Plasma leap to 4K could happen in 5 years, if microLED displays fail big time. I think as micro-LED succeeds, Plasma will get dumped; but it won't happen soon. True 4K content isn't around the corner either.
You can forget the idea of a 4K plasma, simply no money in that market even if OLED fails which I don't think it will. LCD/LED is going to be around for a while yet as well, in fact be prepared to see many more 4K options in that configuration down the road. There are other technologies on the horizon that haven't been talked about much yet that could also make a surprise debut.
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Originally Posted by RadTech51 /t/1494093/panasonic-to-end-plasma-panel-production-by-april-2014/330#post_24004147
You can forget the idea of a 4K plasma, simply no money in that market even if OLED fails which I don't think it will. LCD/LED is going to be around for a while yet as well, in fact be prepared to see many more 4K options in that configuration down the road. There are other technologies on the horizon that haven't been talked about much yet that could also make a surprise debut.
4K can kiss my butt for being overated. It is hard to make OLED versions; at least, they make them in large sizes now. Since there is little 4K content, I am more interested in Micro-LED displays, (mostly OLED) in the future.
Edit: I have heard rumors of 31" 4K OLEDs with the Yieldjet. I am still a little skeptical, though it would be nice.
Could current panels accept the higher bit rates, 4.4.4, deep color, etc that seem to be driving the new sets? I think they're building the new sets with these features and providing the improved IQ/content rather than providing content that our units are already capable of. Am I the only one feeling ripped off? Am I wrong?
I'm still shocked by the IQ on my uncalibrated TC-P50X2 (720P) Panny.
I've noticed the IQ from my Sat provider has been improving since the 4k talk started, commercials specifically, often looking and sounding better than the program we're watching.
For a more realistic view of the OLED future, including references made to the subject in the above quoted post which excitedly purports the, "building a boat load of OLED plants", see this longstanding thread for some dissection of the subject.
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Originally Posted by Weboh /t/1494093/panasonic-to-end-plasma-panel-production-by-april-2014/330#post_24008809
4K can kiss my butt for being overated. It is hard to make OLED versions; at least, they make them in large sizes now. Since there is little 4K content, I am more interested in Micro-LED displays, (mostly OLED) in the future.
Edit: I have heard rumors of 31" 4K OLEDs with the Yieldjet. I am still a little skeptical, though it would be nice.
4K content (native) isn't required to justify the image quality gains by 4K display. With proper up-scaling/interpolation, a 1080p image becomes pixel-free with no visible pixel structure from 1 screen-widths distance. That's a good thing, even when watching 1080p source material, and will allow flat-panel displays to get larger and larger in size.
Films were intended to be viewed ideally within a 30 degree viewing angle (@ 1.5 screen widths). Many of today's flat-panels (especially plasmas) show pixel-structure artifacting when viewed closer than 2 screen widths. Reducing this artifact allows displays to get larger, for us to sit closer, and for flat-panel based home-theater systems to more appropriately be called "home theaters".
While it may seem premature now to see plasma displays getting passed over by major manufacturers, it won't be long before 4K displays using other technologies (in addition to LCD) hit the scene that exceed plasma's noteworthy performance characteristics in addition to bringing us 4K resolution.
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet /t/1494093/panasonic-to-end-plasma-panel-production-by-april-2014/330#post_24164830
4K content (native) isn't required to justify the image quality gains by 4K display. With proper up-scaling/interpolation, a 1080p image becomes pixel-free with no visible pixel structure from 1 screen-widths distance. That's a good thing, even when watching 1080p source material, and will allow flat-panel displays to get larger and larger in size.
Films were intended to be viewed ideally within a 30 degree viewing angle (@ 1.5 screen widths). Many of today's flat-panels (especially plasmas) show pixel-structure artifacting when viewed closer than 2 screen widths. Reducing this artifact allows displays to get larger, for us to sit closer, and for flat-panel based home-theater systems to more appropriately be called "home theaters".
While it may seem premature now to see plasma displays getting passed over by major manufacturers, it won't be long before 4K displays using other technologies (in addition to LCD) hit the scene that exceed plasma's noteworthy performance characteristics in addition to bringing us 4K resolution.
While plasma is dangerous, it provides framerate improvements in both the 720p and 1080i formats. So far 1080p60p is rare. It would seem 1080i produces the ghost well in 1080p24p/30p and it doesn't remove judder much. They need to start over again with 4KIP/(UHD?) to keep the lcd sharpness up. It makes a great computer monitor though. 900p is some sort of ugly experiment, but some things were filmed in it, like sports.
Does anybody know if the 50ST60 has built in dual band wifi?
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