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Why are a lot of people so pissed off?

Really, in a few years there will be 'better' tech that you will all wow to. Perhaps over OLED maybe not who knows.

Curved 100 inchers. Now we're talking.
Suck it up and get excited.

It's just evolution.

I can only speak for myself, but because I remember this happening once already (with CRT's)

the kill off the current technology way too soon, and leave a multi year gap where the new technology hasn't matured enough to actually surpass the old in many important factors. the new tech will also be sold at several times the cost of the old, meaning even when they do finally develop a display that can match the old one, it's 3-4x as expensive. realistically, I don't expect to be able to buy a 65" OLED that can deliver better overall performance for under 3grand for at least 5 if not 10yrs...

I know when my crt slowly started going, I was unable to find a tv on the market short of the kuro that could even come close to it for blacks and contrast. 2yrs prior I could have bought an even better crt for about 1500. I don't think it's a good thing to give up fantastic 1500 dollar TV's for really good 6000 TV's.

this time around, I was prepared. I bought the best tv I could get my hands on this year. i'm preparing to not buy another for the rest of this decade... and even then, i'll probably abandon flat screens altogether for critical viewing. LED/laser projectors will be my replacement to flat screens. i should clarify, i've already abandoned flat screens for 'critical' viewing, but i'll soon abandone them for casual viewing as well.

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Went into my local BB tonight and the local Panasonic rep happened to be there. I was negotiating a price for the ZT60 and talk naturally turned to Panasonic and their plasma displays. It turns out, according to the rep, Panasonic will halt plasma R&D in 2014. In other words, they will no longer advance plasma technology. Though, he made it clear Panasonic will continue to sell plasma displays through 2014 and beyond.
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Went into my local BB tonight and the local Panasonic rep happened to be there. I was negotiating a price for the ZT60 and talk naturally turned to Panasonic and their plasma displays. It turns out, according to the rep, Panasonic will halt plasma R&D in 2014. In other words, they will no longer advance plasma technology. Though, he made it clear Panasonic will continue to sell plasma displays through 2014 and beyond.

I honesty can't see how plasma can even improve further at this point, so I'm fine with that, as long as they don't stop making the sets.

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Went into my local BB tonight and the local Panasonic rep happened to be there. I was negotiating a price for the ZT60 and talk naturally turned to Panasonic and their plasma displays. It turns out, according to the rep, Panasonic will halt plasma R&D in 2014. In other words, they will no longer advance plasma technology. Though, he made it clear Panasonic will continue to sell plasma displays through 2014 and beyond.

That's what they said a few months ago.
This is new.

And besides, local reps? They're not going to know anything.
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Check it out - Local Electronic Stores now selling Baby Items, Furniture, Mattresses, Health Food Products etc - $750 profit selling a $1500 Mattress Set, versus $100 Profit selling a $1500 TV!
Maybe the Go Green ads have the world leaning towards LCD/LEDS?
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That's what they said a few months ago.
This is new.

And besides, local reps? They're not going to know anything.

And we know more than the local reps? I trust what he told me. You don't have to. I'm just sharing information.
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I know at various times the manufacturers give the stores a "rebate" on the margin discount that occurred during a promotion. Or if you bought this model tv we gave you this model bluray player and 3D glasses for free. That stuff was coordinated with the manufacturers. And like I said, I've been paid spiffs by the manufacturers ranging from $10-$125 to sell certain models on top of the commission the store paid.

Like I said, I don't know how it all shook out at the high level and how much those types of promotional tactics cost them versus cost the retailers.
they sell very well to enthusiasts on a forum like this, but not to the general public. In the 46" and larger sizes I probably sold Samsung LEDs 3:1 against all other makes and models combined.

The public by and large is extremely skeptical of plasma tvs - they don't last very long, they burn in, they're on their way out, they have bad picture quality, you can't see them during the day, their coworker/neighbor/cousin/fairy godmother said they're no good and they need an LED - the list went on.

Someone buying on the low end has an uncanny ability to convince themselves that a garbage no name 1080p LED looks better than a 720p Sanyo/Panasonic plasma.

This is seriously the only non-garbage post in this thread

Pittsoccer nailed it. It just comes down to sales and profits and your typical consumer being stupid and uninformed

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In its last financial year, Panasonic's plasma screen division made a loss of 754bn yen (£4.85bn), following a 772bn yen loss the previous year.

This is despite the fact that its plasma TVs are critically acclaimed, with the European Imaging Sound Association voting Panasonic's Viera TX-P60ZT65 European home cinema TV of the year 2013-2014.


The problem right now with plasmas are

1) LED LCD new tech = sounds sexy
2) LCD's are brighter = people think brighter is better
3) Plasmas are thicker then LCD = less sexy
4) Plasma use more electricity = less sexy
5) People still think plasmas burn in/don't last


I could go on, but the fact remains that most people simply don't understand why Plasma's are currently better when all they see is a thick, heavy, blurry, dim TV when they go into the store. Go into any Electronics blog (Engadget) and you'll read people stating "Plasma's are garbage".
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I am a huge fan of plasma TVs and presently have a 65" VT50.

If it comes to pass that Panasonic will step out of the plasma venue, I may end up buying another Panasonic Plasma and hold on to it so I can make sure I get a few more years of plasma goodness.
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i think thats the RIGHT decision , panasonic plasma and even there LED's ARE BAD !!

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Looking on the bright side, there will likely be some hellacious deals available over the next couple of years. On the down side, I just bought one, before the really deep discounting happens! I'm good with it though - just got a 65" Panasonic, (to add to my 42" and 50" Panasonics), so I'm set for the next several years. Who knows what awesome TVs will be available by then?


Will there be deals....or....will scarcity of a discontinuedproduct drive prices up before the sets are no longer available fo purchase??? When wil be the best time to buy?
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Will there be deals....or....will scarcity of a discontinuedproduct drive prices up before the sets are no longer available fo purchase??? When wil be the best time to buy?
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Went into my local BB tonight and the local Panasonic rep happened to be there. I was negotiating a price for the ZT60 and talk naturally turned to Panasonic and their plasma displays. It turns out, according to the rep, Panasonic will halt plasma R&D in 2014. In other words, they will no longer advance plasma technology. Though, he made it clear Panasonic will continue to sell plasma displays through 2014 and beyond.


Sell...yes.....but produce, even if don't advance. Doesn't-appear that way.
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Sell...yes.....but produce, even if don't advance. Doesn't-appear that way.

My apologies for not making it clear in my initial post. They will continue to make (produce) and sell plasma displays through 2014 and beyond.
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I'm not sure how huge that opportunity is. OLED will be a money-losing division, too. I think you're overestimating market size of those wanting to pay <$10k for a 70". You yourself own a Vizio LED, don't you? I mean, that says a lot in and of itself. wink.gif

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Plasma sales were <6% of the market in 2012 (not sure exactly how they define the market, but whichever way you look at it, 6% vs 87% is not good). It's perfectly understandable that Panasonic would retire this technology under those conditions - the market has spoken. Now my question is, why has the market gone so heavily toward LCD? I get that they are brighter and shinier in Best Buy, but how does that impact online sales? I guess people see the brighter set in Best Buy and go buy it online? It's an interesting phenomenon that once a particular technology gains momentum, no amount of objective evidence that a competing product is better can turn the tide. Must be a herd thing - are people afraid to get out of line and buy plasma, when everyone else is getting LED/LCD? Or is the power/IR combo that turns people off? I'm thinking IR is the big one.

I'd say it is IR mainly followed by the fact that most people want that LCD "pop". I purchased the ST60 and LOVED it..but I couldn't deal with the IR headache (it had IR in spades) and returned it for a Sammy F8000 LCD. I was bummed about going back to LCD but at this point I don't miss the Panny anymore and love the fact that I can leave the room and leave the TV/HTPC on without being paranoid.

If you could guarantee me I could have another ST60 without any IR..I'd go back in a heartbeat.

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Why are a lot of people so pissed off?

Really, in a few years there will be 'better' tech that you will all wow to. Perhaps over OLED maybe not who knows.

Curved 100 inchers. Now we're talking.
Suck it up and get excited.

It's just evolution.

A flat, 60", 4K OLED for $5k will be the price point where OLED takes off...

BACK TO BLU!
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I honesty can't see how plasma can even improve further at this point, so I'm fine with that, as long as they don't stop making the sets.
I disagree. Behold, Pioneer's infinite black prototype in 2007/8.
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i think thats the RIGHT decision , panasonic plasma and even there LED's ARE BAD !!
Speaking of garbage posts (thanks a lot, shenaniganz08, we love you too)...you're only half right.
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I agree Vinnie, still the best TV I have ever seen. Better than the Sammy OLED because it was flat.
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I disagree. Behold, Pioneer's infinite black prototype in 2007/8.

True, but why didn't that ever come to market?

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The cost to produce. It still proves that R&D can yield more refinements and improvements.
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The cost to produce. It still proves that R&D can yield more refinements and improvements.

Perhaps, but by the time plasma reaches pure black at a reasonable price, OLED will probably be competitively priced with it.

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I'll believe it when I see it at this point (flat OLED, competitively priced).
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Pioneer started it (the plasma) - and they finished it with the KURO 9G's.

There were pretenders - but that's all they were - but the plasma benchmark ended in January 2009. Not March 2014.

RIP plasma technology.
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Pioneer started it (the plasma) - and they finished it with the KURO 9G's.

There were pretenders - but that's all they were - but the plasma benchmark ended in January 2009. Not March 2014.

RIP plasma technology.
lol I knew you would post something like that. At least youre consistent. What took you so long?
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More bollocks.

Not to mention, that myopic view completely overlooks the significant contributions made by NEC and Hitachi.
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Oh well thanks but what springs to mind mr 97 is that you sir are the definition of that very word.

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I would suspect you're looking in the mirror, fella. Must get lonesome in that ivory tower.

By the way, congrats for bringing this thread back into the gutter.
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No worries - must be tricky when the shoe is on the other foot. But i have learnt from the master vinnie.

Bringing perfectly good threads into the gutter that is.

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