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Speaking of garbage posts (thanks a lot, shenaniganz08, we love you too)...you're only half right.

Very unfactual statement there huh vinnie...IR may be a problem (minor) but for those who know plasma tech can easily tell you how much better a 600$ plasma can be better than a 2000$ LED. Case and point the Panny S60 tops some of the best LEDs out there and the ZT/VT/and Samsungs F8500 PLASMA series are considered (besides KURO) the best TVs ever made...so to say Panny plasma is bad is not an accurate statement at all. Do your reasearch. People complain about IR..ok what about clouding,light bleeding, non uniformed screens, poor off angle viewing, poor and false handling, oversaturated colors, not accurate, ok blacks that are all associated with LED...yea I will keep my plasma thanks
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lol I knew you would post something like that. At least youre consistent. What took you so long?

Man that guy doesn't quit...get over yourself. Most of us own Pioneers and can at least respect the efforts made by others. Just cause it doesn't say KURO doesn't mean it's bad. Panny has some of the best PQ I've seen to date. And I'm a huge fan of the KURO (have a 5020 and owned a 111FD). Stop living in the past and putting useless information into a PANASONIC thread.
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Nope.

Too much of the some rules for some and some for others.

For your information and any other Panasonic fanboys - i have owned Panasonic in the past. So i am just as entitled to an opinion as anyone else.

If me stating that Pioneer basically started it all and basically finished it all is some sort of threat to you then it's you that need get over himself.
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Nobody cares what you owned in the past. Kuro was my introduction to plasma. As a result, this Panasonic "fanboy" would have never considered a Panasonic until the year of our lord 2013.

Secondly, Pioneer didn't start it all. They refined and improved (yes, significantly) what others had already started. And pretending otherwise makes you a fanboy of the Pioneer variety.
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Sorry but who exactly is Kun Soo Lee? why is he available for comment and not Panasonic themselves

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Any reason why my post was deleted? I was just responding to a comment that claimed there's nothing for plasmas to improve. I posted about Pioneers Fuga processing that was going to be in the 10g's and the ECC 9mm thin plasma .

Please tell me what i did wrong?

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I disagree. Behold, Pioneer's infinite black prototype in 2007/8.

Even this poster agree's yet it's still here.

EDIT2- I didn't see my PM earlier. Seems it was because of the full article i posted. Did my entire post have to be deleted? The original article is from Home Cinema Choice who's page doesn't exist anymore. So i got it from here-

http://www.hdtv.com.pl/forum/302138-post2.html

The TechRadar link is something different and the entire article was linked. So someone jumped the gun.
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So sad to hear this....


but i think people now a days want to expend lest than $600 USD on a TV ... i dont see many of my friends expending $2400(VT60) on a TV... we as geeks know that this is THE TV ... but we are not many to buy those TV's... lol
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Does this include their professional displays as well? I just did an upgrade with some ancient Panasonic Plasmas that are still alive and kicking today. They make a nice professional plasma display.
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LCDs are good for casual viewing. This just means I'll have to upgrade to a dedicated home theater space and a projector screen setup wink.gif

I remember when Pioneer said they were getting out, too, and some people bought an extra Kuro to put away for later use...maybe 2 VT60s then?

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i think thats the RIGHT decision , panasonic plasma and even there LED's ARE BAD !!

If I understand you correctly I strongly disagree with you, I recently picked up a Panasonic Plasma for the bedroom the 55'' ST60 and it's got a great picture for the pice. wink.gif

You may wish to check out CNET's review of the line for reference. biggrin.gif

 

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Nobody cares what you owned in the past. Kuro was my introduction to plasma. As a result, this Panasonic "fanboy" would have never considered a Panasonic until the year of our lord 2013.

Secondly, Pioneer didn't start it all. They refined and improved (yes, significantly) what others had already started. And pretending otherwise makes you a fanboy of the Pioneer variety.

No question about it I would have bought a Pioneer KURO if they were still available at the time Panasonic's VT30 came out. However if Panasonic's 2013 models were as good back then as they are now I suppose it would've been a much more difficult decision to make. cool.gif

 

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Check it out - Local Electronic Stores now selling Baby Items, Furniture, Mattresses, Health Food Products etc - $750 profit selling a $1500 Mattress Set, versus $100 Profit selling a $1500 TV!
Maybe the Go Green ads have the world leaning towards LCD/LEDS?

it's more green to buy one good tv you'll be happy with for years than to keep trying led after led hoping one of them finally produces a solid backlight. any 'twist' made to make LCD look better can be twisted the other way just as easily. it's a decision that's being made, and i'm not sure why they are deciding to push the inferior product

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I guess I get to enjoy my 65" ZT until OLED gets affordable and large..smile.gif
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This is seriously the only non-garbage post in this thread

Pittsoccer nailed it. It just comes down to sales and profits and your typical consumer being stupid and uninformed

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The problem right now with plasmas are

1) LED LCD new tech = sounds sexy
maybe marketing shouldn't be feeding the consumers the wrong info then...
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2) LCD's are brighter = people think brighter is better
maybe tv's shouldn't be displayed under the worst possible viewing conditions in stores
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3) Plasmas are thicker then LCD = less sexy
this is something that's pissed me off since the death of crt. i don't care what it looks like off, i care what the picture looks like when it's on. half a cm isn't a deal breaker like clouding and flashlighting are.
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4) Plasma use more electricity = less sexy
i'm sure the amount of electricity used is the smallest financial burden of anybody's media purchasing. i mean really, what's an average plasma cost to run a year? 70bux? even the eco nuts should know that's tiny compared to the manufacturing footprint.
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5) People still think plasmas burn in/don't last
ppl think whatever marketing tells them. this is not an excuse to stop selling plasmas. as a teacher i'm not going to tell my students lies, then watch them fail their test, then decide physics isn't that important anyway, let's just do more chem
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I could go on, but the fact remains that most people simply don't understand why Plasma's are currently better when all they see is a thick, heavy, blurry, dim TV when they go into the store. Go into any Electronics blog (Engadget) and you'll read people stating "Plasma's are garbage".
this is what i don't understand. ppl that think it's too hard to convince the public that a superior product is actually good. it's much harder to sell an inferior product, if marketing can convince the public led's are the best display out there, they can convince the public of anything! they simply choose not to. they want to push the next technology down our throats and charge us huge amounts because 'its new', and they know that the general public won't adopt the new technology as long as plasma is a vastly better value

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I disagree. Behold, Pioneer's infinite black prototype in 2007/8.

if only they didn't have to worry about power consumption, and moron population following the LED bandwagon, imagine the quality we would have today

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So sad to hear this....


but i think people now a days want to expend lest than $600 USD on a TV ... i dont see many of my friends expending $2400(VT60) on a TV... we as geeks know that this is THE TV ... but we are not many to buy those TV's... lol

isn't that all the more reason to buy plasma? the performance/dollar ration on plasmas is way higher than LCD. there's no sub-1500 LCD on the market that even hint at dark grey, let alone black.

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Why are a lot of people so pissed off?

Really, in a few years there will be 'better' tech that you will all wow to. Perhaps over OLED maybe not who knows.

Curved 100 inchers. Now we're talking.
Suck it up and get excited.

It's just evolution.


the parts that don't make me excited are when you look at the evolutionary moments of the near past, two in particular:

1) evolution of plasma right after the Kuro

2) evolution of LCD right after the full array backlit models

Once you have something good you are scared of losing it during these 'evolutionary' periods.
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Very unfactual statement there huh vinnie...IR may be a problem (minor) but for those who know plasma tech can easily tell you how much better a 600$ plasma can be better than a 2000$ LED. Case and point the Panny S60 tops some of the best LEDs out there and the ZT/VT/and Samsungs F8500 PLASMA series are considered (besides KURO) the best TVs ever made...so to say Panny plasma is bad is not an accurate statement at all. Do your reasearch. People complain about IR..ok what about clouding,light bleeding, non uniformed screens, poor off angle viewing, poor and false handling, oversaturated colors, not accurate, ok blacks that are all associated with LED...yea I will keep my plasma thanks
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* * Now they can focus production on 4K OLED panels for consumers! eek.gif

*Although that might not be plausible in the near future> they've stated at this years electronic show (not sure which one but this past month)...they feel costs will be too prohibitive for consumer panel production> and will focus on Commercial outlets.

Which could be the source that lowers the price of the panels eventually.
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the parts that don't make me excited are when you look at the evolutionary moments of the near past, two in particular:

1) evolution of plasma right after the Kuro

2) evolution of LCD right after the full array backlit models

Once you have something good you are scared of losing it during these 'evolutionary' periods.

a little confused by your post

number 2 specifically

full array models are still available...I do believe LG has one...the new 4K capable one

On a lesser note...both Sony and Sharp had full arrays available last year


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I agree with you 100 percent.

except for bright rooms

a $600 plasma cant compete with sunlit windows



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LCDs are good for casual viewing. This just means I'll have to upgrade to a dedicated home theater space and a projector screen setup wink.gif

I remember when Pioneer said they were getting out, too, and some people bought an extra Kuro to put away for later use...maybe 2 VT60s then?

if some one bought 2 Kuros....then a new OLED ( factored for inflation) is actually less money than the 2 KUROS were


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Man that guy doesn't quit...get over yourself. Most of us own Pioneers and can at least respect the efforts made by others. Just cause it doesn't say KURO doesn't mean it's bad. Panny has some of the best PQ I've seen to date. And I'm a huge fan of the KURO (have a 5020 and owned a 111FD). Stop living in the past and putting useless information into a PANASONIC thread.

to say nothing about the economic reality that Pioneer probably lost their A^& on the Kuro financially

people seem to lose sight of economic reality of FOR profit publicly companies that have stockholders to satisfy

I never owned a Kuro....I always thought they were great TV's...but at anywhere near retail they were grossly overpriced...ditto with the Sharp elite LED

That is my opinion and I know they vary...but fast forward to today and look close the performance is, and frankly better over all...on TV's that are 1/2 the price the Kuro was



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except for bright rooms

a $600 plasma cant compete with sunlit windows



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This is sad guys. I just bought a 55vt60 a couple of months ago and love it.

Looks like I might be getting a 65zt60 before the superbowl when I moved out. The vt60 will go in my bedroom.

Hopefully OLED sets will be cost effective sooner than later.

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I read this entire thread yesterday before work. When I was leaving for work there was an older gentleman with a VERY old T-shirt that read "Curtis Mathis. - I watch the Best!'. I chuckled to myself.
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to say nothing about the economic reality that Pioneer probably lost their A^& on the Kuro financially

people seem to lose sight of economic reality of FOR profit publicly companies that have stockholders to satisfy

I never owned a Kuro....I always thought they were great TV's...but at anywhere near retail they were grossly overpriced...ditto with the Sharp elite LED

That is my opinion and I know they vary...but fast forward to today and look close the performance is, and frankly better over all...on TV's that are 1/2 the price the Kuro was



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KURO was not price friendly and for something such as the VT60 to come close at almost 1/2 to 3/4 less of the price of a Pioneer is pretty damn sweet if you ask me.

And also 600$ may not be good in sunlight but now your talking spending another couple hundred or even thousand more for a TV that can handle better light. Even with my S64 washed a little I still like it better than LED anyday. And if it has a good filter like the ZT does then it should be somewhat of a non issue. I work all day so my only viewing is at dusk or nighttime.
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So many issues with LED it almost makes me sick.

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Stu has to give up...you live in the past so join the KURO threads instead of these threads. We enjoy our Panasonic's. They may not be a KURO but they are pretty sweet TVs and cheaper. A lot cheaper.

I would buy a KURO again hands down BUT they went out 5 years ago so looks like that's not an option unless you want used and most used panels are only local sale and used TVs is a no no for me. We understand you don't like these sets but you have to have an open mind for those who do and for something that costs half the price and almost equals in performance also exceeding in some other areas is a great improvement and satisfies most videophiles and PQ enthusiasts.
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