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Another thought is he's brushing over the LCD viewing angle issues and just saying the 3d effect will work even if the PQ from off center is terrible with bad contrast.
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Vinnie you are a smart man that why are new algorithm is called ultra-d 2160p
2 million pixels in from content 8 million. Pixels out
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Mo949 we have unlimited views unless of course you are parrallel to screen.
Are you coming to CES?
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We also have a look around effect😊
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Mo949 we have unlimited views unless of course you are parrallel to screen.
Are you coming to CES?

Not a chance. But I do look forward to hearing about a reputable calibrator from avs getting a viewing and reporting back what his eyes and meter are seeing. That'd be the best advertising you could do around here wink.gif
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Hi, we will have units in retail stores so you can see blurays converted yourself
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Not a chance. But I do look forward to hearing about a reputable calibrator from avs getting a viewing and reporting back what his eyes and meter are seeing. That'd be the best advertising you could do around here wink.gif
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We also have a look around effect😊

For better or worse, AVSForum is a "seeing is believing" crowd. This goes for picture quality and pricing. I'm completely open minded about the technology and hope it lives up to the hype. Perhaps CES will be a turning point for you to convince more people from this always skeptical group. smile.gif

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Don't want to step on news but the picture quality is outstanding .
It is 8million pixels of autostereocopic
On the price of4 ktv's are dropping fast. Our 4k price is below many native 4k hopefully you live in a city where you can see our tv soon
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Well, if it's coming to St. Louis, I'll be one of the first in line.

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A form of magic then biggrin.gif...seeing will be believing. I wonder if this could be incorporated in 2D viewing to enhance the quality of angle viewing in a similar fashion (by using reflective lenses instead?). That would effectively be one more feather in LCD's cap in its quest to overcome longstanding PQ deficiencies.

interesting idea...

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Another thought is he's brushing over the LCD viewing angle issues and just saying the 3d effect will work even if the PQ from off center is terrible with bad contrast.

Several independent viewers not connected with the company have already commented that the off-axis viewing is excellent. Why try to make something an issue that isn't an issue?

Besides, the technology works with any display type, it's not an "LCD" architecture.

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Several independent viewers not connected with the company have already commented that the off-axis viewing is excellent. Why try to make something an issue that isn't an issue?

Besides, the technology works with any display type, it's not an "LCD" architecture.

Well, for me he was stating an unspoken thought I was having which has to do with the technological limitations of LCD TVs. I was glad he brought it up. It didn't seem negative, it seemed logical.
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Don't want to step on news but the picture quality is outstanding .
It is 8million pixels of autostereocopic
On the price of4 ktv's are dropping fast. Our 4k price is below many native 4k hopefully you live in a city where you can see our tv soon

I have another question. Here in Spain we have a lot of channels that aren't HD, so my doubt is, can the technology of your TVs increase the picture quality and make an acceptable 3D conversion? 

For example with a DVD, what kind of image quality can we expect?

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Dvd look very good for conversion
I don't know how good your standard definition . As in states looks good. The tv's have a smart tv boards so can get content off the smart tv and convert it we also have our own format so you can preconverted contents in ultra-D
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It works on all panels including oled
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Have any OLED TV manufacturers signed up yet? That would be killer - auto-stereoscopic OLED 3D! eek.gif
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^Just go the extra mile and make sure it's 4K. wink.gif Thanks for the extra details, Mathu.
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You need to come to ces get the scoop and a drink
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I might be able to make the trek, but this would be the first time, so can someone explain the means to get a badge if I'm not technically employed in/by the industry? PM if necessary since I am not seeing a CES-specific subforum.
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Another thought is he's brushing over the LCD viewing angle issues and just saying the 3d effect will work even if the PQ from off center is terrible with bad contrast.

Several independent viewers not connected with the company have already commented that the off-axis viewing is excellent. Why try to make something an issue that isn't an issue?

Besides, the technology works with any display type, it's not an "LCD" architecture.

You've missed the point and your last comment is not entirely correct since it doesn't work with projectors. The display technology chosen to pair this 3d technology with has this known issue. Stating the 3d technology has no off axis issues to achieve its effects doesn't help the end user who will need to buy the 3d technology paired with the LCD technology that up until now has had off axis issues.

If I could slap this magic screen on top of my plasma without ruining my current PQ, I'd do so promptly; however my worry bead is the 3d tech will be good, but the TVs its paired with be unacceptable downgrades.
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Mathu said there are seven companies lined up to work with Ultra-D technology. Let's wait to find out who they are before we jump to any conclusions. Hopefully a lot of questions will be answered at CES, but obviously Mathu is trying not to give up too much information before that.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/09/streamtvnetworks-3dtv-idUSnPnNYbVCht+16c+PRN20131209

Here's one he already posted. Never seen a BOE brand tv that I know of so can't comment on PQ or issues of that one in particular.
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You've missed the point and your last comment is not entirely correct since it doesn't work with projectors.

I assumed it was obvious that we're talking about flat-panel direct-view displays.
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The display technology chosen to pair this 3d technology with has this known issue. Stating the 3d technology has no off axis issues to achieve its effects doesn't help the end user who will need to buy the 3d technology paired with the LCD technology that up until now has had off axis issues.

The refractive lens technology placed in front of the display panel (even an LCD panel) is what's responsible for the 120 degree viewing angle. LCD substrate in this case is ok as the end-result still gives a wide angle of viewing due to the refractive nature of the 3D lens-array optical layer (even in 2D the lenses would still afford the 120 degree viewing angle).
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If I could slap this magic screen on top of my plasma without ruining my current PQ, I'd do so promptly; however my worry bead is the 3d tech will be good, but the TVs its paired with be unacceptable downgrades.

It's not "magic" and using that word inappropriately to mischaracterize a legitimate technical solution is misleading.

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So are you suggesting it also works on flat panel 1080p resolution displays as well?
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When will we see this in Best Buy?
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So are you suggesting it also works on flat panel 1080p resolution displays as well?

Well, clearly you've been reading *some* of the information available about this new technology. wink.gif

Good job... keep it up. biggrin.gif



Display technology (Plasma, LCD, OLED etc.) can be delivered with different resolutions. Based on the reports from other viewers, 1080p displays produce a decent 3D experience but with some obvious compromise in resolution (ala the way LG's passive 3D on 1080p panels is good in some ways like brightness and low cross talk, but bad in others like 3D resolution that suffers compared to 2D).

4K seems to be the ideal starting resolution for this autoscopic 3D solution regardless of source-display technology (plasma/LCD/OLED etc.)

For less critical autoscopic 3D applications 1080p source display will be just fine (smart phone screens, store display ads etc.) and probably satisfy many "normal" viewers, but videophile HT applications will probably need to start with 4K.

I suspect that any non-sequential 3D technology that relies on using concurrent display pixels for left/right eye disparity will really need 4K display minimum to achieve a no-compromise 3D resolution experience.

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Blah blah blah. All I'm hearing from you are words that make it sound like I'm going to be able to buy this with on so many different types of displays.

The disingenuous part is when I read the details and it suggests that a 4k LCD television is realistically the only viable option at the moment..,

So don't get bent out of shape if the discussion also revolves around a 4k lcd since all these other theoretical display pairings are just that at the moment.
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Blah blah blah. All I'm hearing from you are words that make it sound like I'm going to be able to buy this with on so many different types of displays.

The disingenuous part is when I read the details and it suggests that a 4k LCD television is realistically the only viable option at the moment..,

So don't get bent out of shape if the discussion also revolves around a 4k lcd since all these other theoretical display pairings are just that at the moment.

Understood.

I was just clarifying that this 3D technology is not LCD-specific and can be used with any display type/technology. Agreed that given the benefits of 4K, and that the only cost-effective 4K solutions at the moment are LCD, the out-of-the-gate products worthy of videophile attention will likely be LCD based.

Keep in mind you'll still get your 120 degree viewing angle. smile.gif

The landscape of 4K products, and those making use of this autoscopic 3D solution, will continue to evolve and improve (and get cheaper) over time.

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