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post #31 of 66 Old 12-20-2013, 07:33 PM
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I have never had an issue with the 1080p content from Netflix. It takes maybe 5-10 seconds to smooth out then its good to go. I haven't noticed issues watching while downloading games from steam or anything like that. I am getting 30Mb/s from Midcontinent.

Now on the TV, I am willing to bet I could build a nice home theater and put in a gem of a projector for less than the cost of this big ugly thing. Plus I would have the added joy of not owning anything made by LG. biggrin.gif

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1) LCD 2) Curved 3) NO THANK YOU!


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I"m amazed anyone can be blase about a screen like this, even if it's one no one will here will ever own. A friggin' 105" diag CinemaScope UHD flatscreen display? Turn in your man card if that doesn't give you a chubby.

(I have a projection set up that goes over ten feet wide, 105" diagonal for scope can still be quite an impressive experience).
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Looks like they are catching up to plasma sizes finally. If only they could catch up to uniformity, native contrast, and speed we'd be getting somewhere worth paying for.
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Just like 3D, in the near-term the main market for UHD will be the movie-watching crowd, not sports. Also, Netflix streaming quality is very good at 1080p, so long as there's enough bandwidth to support SuperHD. It's up to the end user to make sure they have adequate bandwidth—as a  rule, the target market for high-end TVs can afford to upgrade a router and pay a bit more for faster internet.  
Some folks just don't get it and I upgrade my router six mouths ago, no issues for now.
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As for the TV's cant afford them
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Ok,
I could easily jump on the bandwagon for
-no curve needed
-all the trim looks gaudy
-why speakers when anybody who buys this will have a high end audio system (I guess at that, or why have so much trim on the LG)
-etc

However look at what's really happening here:
-a frickin huge screen!!
>That will help drive down prices on the 50-60" size market
-trickle down technology
>>There has gotta be some trickle down tech that next year the 50-60" size market will get
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Great!... how do you get one into a second, third, plus floor?
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Great!... how do you get one into a second, third, plus floor?

You can't
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Great!... how do you get one into a second, third, plus floor?

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I"m amazed anyone can be blase about a screen like this, even if it's one no one will here will ever own. A friggin' 105" diag CinemaScope UHD flatscreen display? Turn in your man card if that doesn't give you a chubby.

(I have a projection set up that goes over ten feet wide, 105" diagonal for scope can still be quite an impressive experience).

Sure, the size is impressive.

However, at that much money with curved screen (ugh!!) and with surely the typical LED mediocre contrast and blacks? Rip off. A good 4K projector set-up will be cheaper and blow it away.

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For sure. With 2.35 content now so many pixels are wasted on the black bars. I'd love to see a scope format option in the future. Scope format along with scope imaging chip projector would be the real ticket.

and then directors that flip between scope and 'imax'(which is really just 16:9 anyway...) will have to rethink what they are doing. 'imax' shot would just be a narrow shot instead.

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Not necessarily true. A 120hz will repeat the frames, whereas many 240hz will essentially show exactly what the 120hz set will show, but insert black frames in between each frame of action (scanning backlight).

fair enough. my point was that a 30fps or 24fps source won't benefit from 120hz or 240hz. even the benefits you may get with a scanning backlight are more bandaid fixes to the real issue. I'd rather have a high quality 120hz screen than a low end 240hz, and furthermore, if the 120hz panel is high quality, then it wouldn't even need a scanning backlight or any other method of achieving 240hz

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I"m amazed anyone can be blase about a screen like this, even if it's one no one will here will ever own. A friggin' 105" diag CinemaScope UHD flatscreen display? Turn in your man card if that doesn't give you a chubby.

(I have a projection set up that goes over ten feet wide, 105" diagonal for scope can still be quite an impressive experience).

not sure I follow

105" would be smaller than what I currently have
edgelit LED would be worse quality than I currently have

UHD and scope format is pretty cool though.

I just don't understand why they keep pushing edgelit LED's at us. especially for something that may never see 'normal' production. is somebody really going to spend (I'm guessing) well over 30grand for a tv and be willing to deal with clouding and flashlighting to save a couple grand? edgelit LED is a deal breaker for me. it is, without question, the worst method(as in most difficult to get right) of backlighting on the market today. no concept, premier, or even high end display should be built around that system. imo

the IDEA is exciting though. if this were a 100+" scope format UHD plasma made by Panasonic, or OLED, or heck even an advanced full array LED with plenty of local dimming zones, I'd be drooling all over the place

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^^^ man card revoked!


Also, where does it say these are edge lit?

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I want to see some poor guy trying to move these screens around while cursing at the curved form making it more difficult smile.gif
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I would like to see the idiot who pays $80.000 for a curved 21:9 Edge Lit LED smile.giftongue.gif

IMO, a deduction based on very few facts other than a monitor with an exorbitantly high price tag. It requires a lot money to belly up to the table of new technology. $80k is out of most people's price range, but not everyones!

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Also, where does it say these are edge lit?
Making a 21:9 FALD instead of a 21:9 Edge Lit dimming would double the price. It would also make the frame thicker = 2.5 inch. Making a 105'' 21:9 curved Edge Lit would be uber-expensive, don't think they want that price to be doubled, besides that Samsung and LG have a thin frame obsession..

Quote ''LG Display overcame the challenge of uneven backlighting by refining its Thin Film Transistor (TFT)'' sounds like Edge Lit to me _
http://akihabaranews.com/2013/12/20/article-en/lg-unveil-worlds-first-105-curved-ultra-hd-tv-ces-1985318048
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Also, where does it say these are edge lit?

it doesn't. it doesn't say how it's lit at all that I can see. my first post I did ask if it was edge-lit or not.

at this point I'm just assuming. I mean, if you make a display with 1000's of LED's and dimming zones, you advertise that!

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Also, where does it say these are edge lit?
Making a 21:9 FALD instead of a 21:9 Edge Lit dimming would double the price. It would also make the frame thicker = 2.5 inch. Making a 105'' 21:9 curved Edge Lit would be uber-expensive, don't think they want that price to be doubled, besides that Samsung and LG have a thin frame obsession..

Quote ''LG Display overcame the challenge of uneven backlighting by refining its Thin Film Transistor (TFT)'' sounds like Edge Lit to me _
http://akihabaranews.com/2013/12/20/article-en/lg-unveil-worlds-first-105-curved-ultra-hd-tv-ces-1985318048

Vizio manages to utilize FALD in some of its lower-priced E-series TVs, and charges a premium for equivalent-sized edge-lit sets. I can't wait to check these TVs out. Samsung's FALD S9 UHDTVs look absolutely stunning.

 

TFT has nothing to do with edgelit vs. backlit. TFT simply means it's an LCD TV. I'll certainly report on these TVs when I am at CES.


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Vizio manages to utilize FALD in some of its lower-priced E-series TVs, and charges a premium for equivalent-sized edge-lit sets. I can't wait to check these TVs out.
The 2014 Vizio FALDs will have 16 zones which is not a lot when compared to previous Vizio FALDs -> 80 zones. I would not get to excited smile.gif
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Samsung's FALD S9 look absolutely stunning.
Ktzmaier forgot to mention the S9 in his TVs at CES 2014 article. He himself mentioned in the S9 video review that it was a FALD (the only 4K FALD thus far!).
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Vizio manages to utilize FALD in some of its lower-priced E-series TVs, and charges a premium for equivalent-sized edge-lit sets. I can't wait to check these TVs out.
The 2014 Vizio FALDs will have 16 zones which is not a lot when compared to previous Vizio FALDs -> 80 zones. I would not get to excited smile.gif
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Samsung's FALD S9 look absolutely stunning.
Ktzmaier forgot to mention the S9 in his TVs at CES 2014 article. He himself mentioned in the S9 video review that it was a FALD (the only 4K FALD thus far!).

Just to clarify—I can't wait to see the 105" UHDTVs. I'm not getting excited over checking out a 65" Vizio E-series, I assure you.

 

My point was that FALD is no longer an expensive, premium feature. That has a lot to do with the ever-dropping price of LEDs. 


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doesn't Samsung also offer a non-dimming full array set? on it's entry level displays only though. what a joke!

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I'm going to CES! Got my airline ticket last week and registered through a dealer friend.

One of the TVs that interest me the most is LG's and Samsung's 105' Scope shaped screens. I watch a lot of BD movies so this is the natural dimensions of most Hollywood films. And when I watch broadcast channels I still prefer the Scope aspect ratio so the height stays constant. I prefer this screen shape as I hate the letter-boxing bars and prefer the picture height to stay constant and square up the screen with pill box bars to generate the 16:9 screen size.

I just can't accept watching Hollywood movies with the screen downsized and top and bottom black bars.

I'd like to have some of the experienced members discuss the pros and cons to this.
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Can they be mounted on a wall?

Seems not, Scott Wilkinson did a calibration on a curved screen OLED and it had to be on it's stand.
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It will look very weird on a wall.

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I'm going to CES! Got my airline ticket last week and registered through a dealer friend.

One of the TVs that interest me the most is LG's and Samsung's 105' Scope shaped screens. I watch a lot of BD movies so this is the natural dimensions of most Hollywood films. And when I watch broadcast channels I still prefer the Scope aspect ratio so the height stays constant. I prefer this screen shape as I hate the letter-boxing bars and prefer the picture height to stay constant and square up the screen with pill box bars to generate the 16:9 screen size.

I just can't accept watching Hollywood movies with the screen downsized and top and bottom black bars.

I'd like to have some of the experienced members discuss the pros and cons to this.

i agree with you, my only question is does 'the industry'.

i say this because Shaw still sends 95% of their broadcasting in a 4:3 aspect ratio, even the stuff filmed in 16:9. the end result is the SD channels show a stretched 'super widescreen' version of the 16:9 show, and the HD channels show the right aspect ratio, but with black bars on top/bottom and the sides.

basically it's completely useless as the vast majority of their broadcasting is still aimed at those with 4:3 screens. i assume anybody buying a scope format screen will end up in the same situation. 16:9 content will get stretched, and scope content will also get stretched since it'll be broadcast as a 16:9 image with the black bars as part of the signal.

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I hope that the manufacturers of large-UHG displays abandon this "curved screen" gimmick which is only there to try to make their displays look "special" to the novice eye.

The content-viewing reality of curved screens is that they look good (possibly even better) for the one viewer seated dead center.

To everyone else to the left/right of dead center, the geometry distortion is an distracting artifact that no videophile would consider tolerating.

It's similar to planar ribbon speakers... great for one person seated right in the middle. But everyone else has a compromised experience.

I doubt most purchasers of 80+ displays are planning to use them with only one viewer at a time...

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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I hope that the manufacturers of large-UHG displays abandon this "curved screen" gimmick which is only there to try to make their displays look "special" to the novice eye.

The content-viewing reality of curved screens is that they look good (possibly even better) for the one viewer seated dead center.

To everyone else to the left/right of dead center, the geometry distortion is an distracting artifact that no videophile would consider tolerating.

It's similar to planar ribbon speakers... great for one person seated right in the middle. But everyone else has a compromised experience.

I doubt most purchasers of 80+ displays are planning to use them with only one viewer at a time...

I guess a smaller curved screen might be viable for a Desktop monitor. 

 

Just a thought. 

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