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post #121 of 132 Old 01-28-2014, 04:27 PM
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Even better if we get puppets and real models over CGI. I look back and this is what really made the first star wars so great and the next 3 terrible.

there's definitely a transition period between good special effects in the late 80's and bad CGI in the late 90's.

i think it's come a LONG way though, and the cgi effects aren't nearly as obvious as they used to be. as long as they are done appropriately(ie, cgi is at least as good at showing ships travelling through space as the special effects of the first star wars trilogy) and avoided where they don't need to be(the yoda light saber scene in the prequels, that was pretty bad...). sometimes it's ok to limit what you show, and leave a bit to the imagination. it's better than using bad effects that take you out of the moment(i'd rather see a knife slash, then blood squirt onto a wall then somebody actually stabbing an obviously fake plastic dummy)

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AT 74, I still love movies .....Really hard to find a good film today. The movie can be in any medium, but if the story isn't there - sorry, you've lost me.
I do watch some of the newer movies, Gravity was great and also Oblivion.
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Wayne I agree it takes some effort to find the good ones but they are there. (It got a lot harder when Ebert died.). Let me add a few more recent titles: Philomena and Captain Phillips.
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there's definitely a transition period between good special effects in the late 80's and bad CGI in the late 90's.

i think it's come a LONG way though, and the cgi effects aren't nearly as obvious as they used to be. as long as they are done appropriately(ie, cgi is at least as good at showing ships travelling through space as the special effects of the first star wars trilogy) and avoided where they don't need to be(the yoda light saber scene in the prequels, that was pretty bad...). sometimes it's ok to limit what you show, and leave a bit to the imagination. it's better than using bad effects that take you out of the moment(i'd rather see a knife slash, then blood squirt onto a wall then somebody actually stabbing an obviously fake plastic dummy)

the CGI in the hobbit bugs me. I miss the real Orc and the White Orc seems like a cartoon to me frown.gif

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I stopped going to the theater several years ago ... But over winter break last month, my kids wanted to see "Catching Fire", so I decided to give the theater a try again....Two girls behind me were already gabbing through the previews. ...Also there was a family seated to the right side of the theater, and the father spent most of the film explaining every single thing that was happening to his kid. ... One thing for sure, if the theater is unable to crack down on it, then they won't get my money.

Also as mentioned, I wasn’t all that impressed either with the image quality, and the screen sizes keep shrinking. I recall as a kid the ornate cinemas and massive screens – that made it a lot of fun as well. These days not so much.
Well, to be frank- the movie industry now caters to kids and 20 somethings. For many reasons including- they're not as critical as older viewers and will go spend to see absolute rubbish without even batting an eyelash because it gives them something to do away from home. The kids don't complain about the temperature in the theater, they don't complain about focus issues, they don't care about the price and quality of concessions, they don't complain about commercials before the feature, and it seems they readily accept others around them talking and texting during the feature that upsets older viewers to no end. More to the point of this thread and the drop off of quality some suggest all digital will bring- the young viewers aren't going to complain- because after a few trips to the theater, they'll just accept it and move on...

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Well, to be frank- the movie industry now caters to kids and 20 somethings. For many reasons including- they're not as critical as older viewers and will go spend to see absolute rubbish without even batting an eyelash because it gives them something to do away from home. The kids don't complain about the temperature in the theater, they don't complain about focus issues, they don't care about the price and quality of concessions, they don't complain about commercials before the feature, and it seems they readily accept others around them talking and texting during the feature that upsets older viewers to no end. More to the point of this thread and the drop off of quality some suggest all digital will bring- the young viewers aren't going to complain- because after a few trips to the theater, they'll just accept it and move on...

Um. As a 20-something who cares very much about picture quality and people talking and texting at the theater, I think your vast generalization is a disservice to people like me. I think, what you mean to say, is that the American movie-going public is very much not inclined to care about those things, while certain members of the population (those of us on this forum) are increasingly drawn to home theater experiences as better because they don't include those interruptions and sub-par experiences. I get your complaints, but I think you blame "young people" as if you want them to get off your lawn. I'm not on your lawn, dude. Chill.

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Um. As a 20-something who cares very much about picture quality and people talking and texting at the theater, I think your vast generalization is a disservice to people like me. I think, what you mean to say, is that the American movie-going public is very much not inclined to care about those things, while certain members of the population (those of us on this forum) are increasingly drawn to home theater experiences as better because they don't include those interruptions and sub-par experiences. I get your complaints, but I think you blame "young people" as if you want them to get off your lawn. I'm not on your lawn, dude. Chill.
As I look at your sig... "Former 35mm and Digital Projectionist @ Regal Cinemas" I dare say... you're the exception and I wish everyone in the audience cared as much as you do...

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As I look at your sig... "Former 35mm and Digital Projectionist @ Regal Cinemas" I dare say... you're the exception and I wish everyone in the audience cared as much as you do...

Yeah. Being a projectionist ruined me as a theater-goer. Mostly because I now notice EVERY LITTLE THING that's wrong with the presentation. At home, at least I can fix those things that bug me.

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the CGI in the hobbit bugs me. I miss the real Orc and the White Orc seems like a cartoon to me frown.gif

do you think that's because of the HFR being 'more revealing' of cinematic errors? i've heard a few ppl comment that the special effects look fake(both digital and make-up) on the HFR movies.


i still say it's up to the movie makers to make the right choice. cgi is a useful tool if used correctly by professionals.

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As I look at your sig... "Former 35mm and Digital Projectionist @ Regal Cinemas" I dare say... you're the exception and I wish everyone in the audience cared as much as you do...

i doubt it's about caring. i'm more inclined to stereotype 'old ppl' as the ones not caring about improvements in technology.

there's just a lot more disrespectful teenagers/early 20's. i'm JUST turning 30, and i already see a significant generation gap with some of my friends that only a few years younger. i still think it's kind of rude to be on your phone constantly while in social environments, they don't. i can totally see 10yrs from now ppl thinking it's perfectly ok to text and check imdb and whatever on their phones in the middle of the movie.

i mean, i bet i could find ppl that think its rude i don't wear a tie to dinner, or if i keep my hat on in the theatre. sometimes it's just a difference in 'culture'.

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In ten years we should be able to view the phone content on a contact lens. So they won't be disturbing anyone since the contact lens could replace the screen on the phone.

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Digital projection won't be mainstream in all theaters until the next year or two, when demand for film will decrease to the the cheapness of digital cameras and projectors.
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In ten years we should be able to view the phone content on a contact lens. So they won't be disturbing anyone since the contact lens could replace the screen on the phone.

haha, could be, but i wouldn't wager on it personally. (yes i know it's possible, i'm betting it won't be something enough ppl actually want)

make you wonder though, what kind of 'virtual displays' could be possible in the future. maybe we won't even have screens at movie theatres, they'll have use sit in a big room all wearing VR glasses... haha. probably not tongue.gif

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