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Onkyo just introduced two new AV receivers with UHD/4K 60 Hz capability: the 5.2-channel TX-NR535 for $500 and the 7.2-channel TX-NR636 for $700. Oddly, the company's press release makes no mention of the HDMI 2.0 standard, it only mentions UHD/4K video at 60 Hz. While both AVRs support UHD/4K 60 Hz video, only the TX-NR636 supports HDCP 2.2, which is the DRM (digital rights management) copyright standard for forthcoming UHD content.

 

Onkyo's new TX-NR636 7.2-channel network AV receiver

 

Both AVRs include built-in WiFi, DSD-HD audio playback, and Qdeo video upscaling. The TX-NR636 also includes Dolby Pro Logic IIz decoding and dual HDMI outputs.

 

I'm curious about Onkyo's decision to restrict HDCP 2.2 capability to the TX-NR636. After all, what good is a UHD/4K-capable receiver if it cannot play DRM-encoded UHD/4K content? Perhaps Onkyo plans to market the TX-NR535 to gamers.

 

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"Onkyo is one of the first CE manufacturers to implement 4K/60 Hz capability in an A/V receiver, paving the way for Ultra HD video playback at a liquid-smooth 60 frames per second. This is great news for PC gamers who can now add wall-shaking surround sound to their 4K/60 Hz experience." source: Onkyo

 

Even without the explicit inclusion of HDMI 2.0 and the exclusion of HDCP 2.2 on the TX-NR535, it's nice to see new entry-level UHD/4K 60 Hz-compatible AVRs coming to market, especially considering all the new UHDTVs that are about to hit store shelves.

 

Onkyo's new TX-NR535 5.2-channel network AV receiver

 

According to Onkyo, The TX-NR535 will be available in March while the TX-NR636 will be available in April. Click here to read the original press release.

 


 

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interesting that like pioneer, they seem to be starting near the bottom.

makes me wonder why manufacturers seem to be marketing 4k/uhd more towards the average joe than the real enthusiasts

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$700.00 near the bottom! For some of us that is a pretty sizeable chunk of money. We don't all have massive sums of money to burn on HT equipment but are none the less every bit as "enthusiastic" as others with bigger pockets Thank You.
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My guess is both Pioneer and Onkyo and most likely the other big Japanese names are starting off in the lower levels in anticipation of a 3D audio standard (Atmos or Auro) coming later this year which they can implement in the flagship units. A $500 and $700 model would most likely not feature Atmos in the first generation of unit.
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$700.00 near the bottom! For some of us that is a pretty sizeable chunk of money. We don't all have massive sums of money to burn on HT equipment but are none the less every bit as "enthusiastic" as others with bigger pockets Thank You.

I'm not looking at the price, I'm looking at the model numbers. 5 and 6 series are decidedly close to the low end for onkyo 'surround sound' receivers.

for what it's worth, I'm rocking an AVR I paid 400bux for, and was super excited to have something so 'high end' when I bought it.

but the reality is, these are NOT even close to their top end receivers. I would guess they are high volume sellers maybe.

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My guess is both Pioneer and Onkyo and most likely the other big Japanese names are starting off in the lower levels in anticipation of a 3D audio standard (Atmos or Auro) coming later this year which they can implement in the flagship units. A $500 and $700 model would most likely not feature Atmos in the first generation of unit.

ahh, I didn't have as concrete of an idea, but I was wondering what was 'missing' from these that was making them wait to release their flagship models.

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Here's a thread where we talk about 3D object sound, and timeline for the stds being fixed
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I get it.....it's just that I don't know how much longer I can wait before I have to step back and do the best I can with what has been published to this point to complete my pre-wire.

I hope you'll at least wait through the 2014 NAB Show (April 5 – 10). The ATSC 3.0 3Daudio codec is supposed to be chosen in 2015, and it will be interesting to see what degree of commonality exists between the layouts in the finalist candidate audio layout|codec demos which will probably be on show next month!

And it would make good sense if the information roll-out for DTS-UHD (announced for 2014.Q2) is timed to coincide with the show...?! biggrin.gif
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I'm not looking at the price, I'm looking at the model numbers. 5 and 6 series are decidedly close to the low end for onkyo 'surround sound' receivers.

I appreciate that receivers costing hundreds is nowhere near high end and I wasn't suggesting otherwise but there are probably a lot of us on AVS with limited Budgets who are still most definitely firm enthusiasts. People who are lucky enough to have lots of money to spend on really good gear should never make the mistake of thinking otherwise, that's really the point I was trying to make. smile.gif
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$700.00 near the bottom! For some of us that is a pretty sizeable chunk of money. We don't all have massive sums of money to burn on HT equipment but are none the less every bit as "enthusiastic" as others with bigger pockets Thank You.

If you can't afford $700 for an AVR then you certainly can't afford an UHD display of size large enough for it to make a difference over HD. So the UHD aspect of this AVR is pointless for you and other enthusiasts without "bigger" pockets. wink.gif
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The idea of HDMI 2.0 and UHD etc. etc. is to future proof this to a point. If i'm spending $700 on a receiver I want it to be able to work with the UHD TV I'm going to buy 2 years from now when the costs of them aren't prohibitively expensive for most of us who work for a living. At the same time, for $700 the thing better have pre-outs and/or some gas in the tank so it can power more than a set of cheese ball satellites convincingly.

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remember HDMI 2.0 is not a standard, at least not in the manner that previous versions have implied, its a set of features that companies can pick and choose from, thus why you dont see the HDMI 2.0 type of wording since its not ALL the various features that the next version of HDMI has to offer. smile.gif

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http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-NR636&class=Receiver&source=prodClass
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interesting that like pioneer, they seem to be starting near the bottom.

makes me wonder why manufacturers seem to be marketing 4k/uhd more towards the average joe than the real enthusiasts

Yeah, it's interesting. It seems like the AVR with video processing is the missing link in 4k right now, as using one that scales video to 1080p, and then having the TV scale it to 2160p seems less than ideal, especially for 720p content. I would think this type of application would go towards the way high end first. Hopefully those are coming soon for the early adopter crowd to pair with TVs like the 70" Sharp 4K TV.
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The idea of HDMI 2.0 and UHD etc. etc. is to future proof this to a point. If i'm spending $700 on a receiver I want it to be able to work with the UHD TV I'm going to buy 2 years from now when the costs of them aren't prohibitively expensive for most of us who work for a living. At the same time, for $700 the thing better have pre-outs and/or some gas in the tank so it can power more than a set of cheese ball satellites convincingly.

I realize that it is a colloquialism, but it is silly to assume that people who can afford high end gear do not work for a living. While there are some idle rich, many of us "rich" people (according to the federal government and the IRS in particular) work all the time. We work 12-18 hour days M-F. We work weekends too. We are on call during the few vacations days we can actually take and rarely have a vacation day where we are not working at least part of the time. Many of us high income earners (who are not yet rich in my book, as in cannot quit their jobs and live off their weatlh... yet) can never switch off. We are always on call, and our clients / customers expect us to be available 24/7/365. So let's just say those of us Americans who do work (regardless of how much we make) work harder than just about anyone else on the planet and stop the class warfare.

Okay, now I will get off my soap box. $150 - $300 is more the entry level receiver range. I would put these as 1-2 steps up from entry level. I also find it suprising that both Onkyo and Pioneer appear to be planning to trickle up HDMI 2.0.
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Nice that WiFI and Bluetooth are built in. I'm looking to replace my aging Pioneer Elite this year and have been waiting for the new models of AVRs to appear. Pioneers came out recently and are very similar in features to these. My one question...

Where's AirPlay?

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Does anyone else notice how they bumped up the price for the 6 series Onkyo receivers. So if these cost 700$ what are the 1/3/5 series going to cost? MMM:eek:
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Where's AirPlay?

 

Still requires a separate purchase.  If you look at the features for the receivers on Onkyo's website, where it lists Airplay, it has a check mark with a note that says "(with optional DS-A5)".

http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=DS-A5&class=Accessory&source=prodClass

 

Given the $200 price tag and the fact that it still only supports audio, I would recommend just buying an AppleTV to go with the receiver.

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I saw the 'AirPlay' adapter after I posted. The lightning connector iPhones have been out for 18 months or so and they're still selling the 30 pin adapter...AND IT'S $200! Outrageous. The equivalent Pioneer has Airplay and the bluetooth adapter is 'only' $100. Neat that it has a port for a ROKU streaming stick.

Looking at the Denon lines, I see they have AirPlay but no bluetooth. Someone will have it all someday...
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This is partially why I chose an android tablet. It streams to my onkyo receiver just fine without any additional hardware (besides a wireless router) and it didn't cost 400-500$ just for the basic model

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remember HDMI 2.0 is not a standard, at least not in the manner that previous versions have implied, its a set of features that companies can pick and choose from, thus why you dont see the HDMI 2.0 type of wording since its not ALL the various features that the next version of HDMI has to offer. smile.gif

Anyhow here is the product page smile.gif

http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-NR636&class=Receiver&source=prodClass


Yes.  It makes it all very confusing.  I know they won't do this, but it would be nice if they would make a checklist of ALL of the HDMI 1.0 thru HDMI 2.0 features and then check only those that are supported by the product in question.  Perhaps this is something that we could address on this site by including said checklist in the first post of every "XXXX Owner's Thread"...

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Yes.  It makes it all very confusing.  I know they won't do this, but it would be nice if they would make a checklist of ALL of the HDMI 1.0 thru HDMI 2.0 features and then check only those that are supported by the product in question.  Perhaps this is something that we could address on this site by including said checklist in the first post of every "XXXX Owner's Thread"...

oh I agree all this is going to do is cause much confusion and people who know about it will only go well does it have it all or what am I missing, does product A and B have the same features so they work well together or not and so on, so yeah I completely agree that a HDMI 2.0 Product checklist thread or something would be nice to see. smile.gif

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I realize that it is a colloquialism, but it is silly to assume that people who can afford high end gear do not work for a living. While there are some idle rich, many of us "rich" people (according to the federal government and the IRS in particular) work all the time. We work 12-18 hour days M-F. We work weekends too. We are on call during the few vacations days we can actually take and rarely have a vacation day where we are not working at least part of the time. Many of us high income earners (who are not yet rich in my book, as in cannot quit their jobs and live off their weatlh... yet) can never switch off. We are always on call, and our clients / customers expect us to be available 24/7/365. So let's just say those of us Americans who do work (regardless of how much we make) work harder than just about anyone else on the planet and stop the class warfare.

Okay, now I will get off my soap box. $150 - $300 is more the entry level receiver range. I would put these as 1-2 steps up from entry level. I also find it suprising that both Onkyo and Pioneer appear to be planning to trickle up HDMI 2.0.

I'm not insinuating that everyone who can afford high end audio gear is like "buy your own island" rich. And there's a lot of people who don't even make six figures, rather much less that buy high end gear cause outside of bills and such that's really all they spend their money on.(i.e. me)
I used a poor choice of words and I apologize but don't assume I'm some bleeding heart socialist bent on class warfare and taxing the rich through the nose. (I am republican after all) I'm only 26 but was raised by parents who ran their own business. I've watched my dad run out the door on Christmas Eve to fix furnaces and busted pipes. That being said there ARE people out there with more money than brains that don't really realize what stuff costs.

Now that that's off my chest, what do you think the equivalent to the 727 or 828 will end up costing?

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I too find it strange that they are debuting UHD/4K on decidedly midrange receivers. These are only 5.2 and 7.2 channels. Normally one would expect the debut of exciting new features on the flagship 11.2 models. Perhaps the higher end imaging processing and upscaler chip sets just are not ready yet. It seems that the high end Onkyo line is getting rather dated but I'm sure they will take care of that. It's got to be tough to be a consumer electronics company with the specs and expectations constantly changing.

BTW, I do own my own island but my current receiver is only an 808. biggrin.gif
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$700.00 near the bottom! For some of us that is a pretty sizeable chunk of money. We don't all have massive sums of money to burn on HT equipment but are none the less every bit as "enthusiastic" as others with bigger pockets Thank You.

Just as well you don't live in Australia mate because that budget low priced Onkyo AVR will cost us $2000 down here.
On some Hi Fi stuff here we get screwed to the wall with outrageous prices.
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$200 for an Airplay adapter? I could buy 2 Apple TVs for that, or put the $200 towards one if the Pio's with Airplay. Onk and Apple mustn't be very friendly.

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Most apps this days from onkyo or yamaha they stream directly from iphone to amplifier, they just need to be on same wireless network.

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I too find it strange that they are debuting UHD/4K on decidedly midrange receivers. These are only 5.2 and 7.2 channels. Normally one would expect the debut of exciting new features on the flagship 11.2 models. Perhaps the higher end imaging processing and upscaler chip sets just are not ready yet. It seems that the high end Onkyo line is getting rather dated but I'm sure they will take care of that. It's got to be tough to be a consumer electronics company with the specs and expectations constantly changing.

BTW, I do own my own island but my current receiver is only an 808. biggrin.gif

I want to know why we haven't gone to 13.4 yet. As it is, there isn't universal agreement over what 11.2 even is, so just add more channels. Seriously though, the number of setups bigger than 7.2 or 7.4 has to be a fraction of a percent, it's just way too impractical to actually do.
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The new Onkyo TX-NR828 does not have Audyssey MultEQ XT-32 (it uses Audyssey MultEQ XT), whereas this year's model the Onkyo 818 has it as well as the Marvell-Q video processor chip for top notch scaling/deinterlacing plus 4K scaling; The receiver is available for sale for less than $700 which i would describe as a bargain considering its feature set.
I would definitely get the NR818 instead of the NR828 simply because of Audyssey MultEQ XT-32 based on my experience with both implementations in my home theater room; To my ears Audyssey XT-32 makes the whole room sound like i am listening to music with headphones on as i can easily follow every instrument AND its location in the overall sound field which i imagine is due to the fact that XT-32 continuously samples the audio spectrum at 10.000 points (!) across frequency response AND time domain for EACH speaker (!).
AFAIK Audyssey is the only digital EQ room equalization system that actually publishes data concerning how many sample "points" it uses for each implementation of Audyssey equalization beginning with basic EQ all the way up to MultEQ XT-32 + dual subwoofers EQ and i just wish other manufacturers offering similar room EQ systems would provide the same data.
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As it is, there isn't universal agreement over what 11.2 even is...
The immersive audio formats (Auro, Dolby Atmos, DTS UHD) seem to be settling on 7.1+4(heights) to start with. As these formats gain traction, there will probably be higher end models with more outputs.

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$700.00 near the bottom! For some of us that is a pretty sizeable chunk of money. We don't all have massive sums of money to burn on HT equipment but are none the less every bit as "enthusiastic" as others with bigger pockets Thank You.

He's talking in absolute price-class. $700, although not cheap, IS in the entry level of receivers range (which AFAIK go up to around $4K. So yes...in the realm of receivers, sub-$1k IS entry level.

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I hear you. Sick of being electronically price-rap3d just because we use 230/240v. Yes, there will be distribution costs involved but the adobe software download debacle shows how much we are getting ripped off.
It's rubbish when you can order something from the other side of the world, spend hundreds of $$ on shipping (thousands if you are buying large speaker sets) and still save money from sourcing locally.

I would love to pay $700 (maybe $1000 NZD after conversion), instead like you I'll scout all over the country to get the best price of $1899.
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