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post #121 of 158 Old 06-21-2014, 11:36 AM
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[quote=NetworkTV;25148170]Which is why I honestly would rather see better HD with the bandwidth they're giving to 4K than trying to view 4K in a wrapper that doesn't quite fit the product.

Really good HD looks great on any screen. Bit starved 4K will have the same compression artifacts and washed out visuals regardless of screen size. I'd rather a little less detail in the master than have any improvement be lost with the amount of compression they'll squeeze it all down with. What good is creating content where you can see every freckle when it's just going to get compressed into wax by the time it reaches the viewer?






In my opinion a perfect statement.

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post #122 of 158 Old 08-02-2014, 03:11 PM
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DirecTV says it will have 4k VOD yet this year, and streaming in 2015/16.
http://www.multichannel.com/news/tv-...ears-4k/382897

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DirecTV says it will have 4k VOD yet this year, and streaming in 2015/16.
http://www.multichannel.com/news/tv-...ears-4k/382897
4k quality via broadcast. Bwahahahahahaha!! Who do they think they're fooling?? It'll look like crap if their current "HD" channels are any indication.
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I would like to see the H265 used for 1080p rather than H264. This would allow for the same bandwidth better quality data stream. As for UHD/4k etc., that is all good and dandy that they are getting their start given that there are not many TVs out there to support it (let alone devices).
I would LOVE to see that happen.

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Who would have thought that old people would be the ones ushering in high speed internet? Netflix is going to basically be forcing the USA to update it's communication systems in the coming years, it seems.
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Is someone managing an up-to-date list of all titles that are available in 4K?
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FWIW - I compared the streaming experience with the movie Hitch. At one time, Amazon had it in 1080p (this is in November 2014) and Netflix had it in 4K.

Some will be surprised to know that the Amazon 1080p stream looked at least as good (better in some scenes) than the Netflix 4K stream - indicating that either my Samsung TV upscalar was very good... or that 4K streams are not given enough bandwidth to preserve the details.
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I have no faith in 4k streaming, hell 1080p streaming doesn't even match 1080p blu ray. And what about loss less audio over streaming?

And let's not even get into consistency, peak hour viewing on Netflix, buffering and image quality takes a huge hit. What's 4k going to be like?

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^^^^ We're going to need more information than that chart.

- Is that the average speed for all customers, regardless of whether they're watching SD, HD or 4K?
- Is that the average speed or the average max speed?
- Is that the average peek speed or average sustained speed?
- Does that include high end customers or only the average connections most customers have?

While I'm sure that the speeds are pretty low for Netflix, I can't possibly believe that's all you're going to get for 4K. Those are low even for the doochiest of providers.

Those speeds would be pretty good for a 5mb/s or even a 10mb/s connection, but if someone is on a 30,40 or 50mb/s plan and only getting under 4Mb/s from Netflix, that's an issue. The problem is, that chart doesn't tell us how many people were measured, what their max plan speed is, how long they were measured and for what content.

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From http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/how...ulate-rankings

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The Netflix ISP Speed Index lists the average prime time bitrate for Netflix content streamed to Netflix members during a particular month. For 'prime time' we take the peak three hours of Netflix streaming on a daily basis per ISP.

For 'speed' we measure, in megabits per second (Mbps), the average bitrate for Netflix content streamed by Netflix members per ISP. We measure speed across all available devices.

Excluded from our measurements across all ISP networks are a small number of plans, devices for which we cannot record accurate bitrates and streaming over identified mobile networks.

The speed shown on the Netflix ISP Speed Index is not a measurement of an ISP’s maximum network throughput or capacity.
It would be nice to see what UHD-capable customers are getting on the average, and what HD-capable customers are getting, but we aren't given that type of breakout.

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Man Cave:Vizio E500i-A1 "Smart TV" (50-in 1080p 120Hz LED/LCD, has Netflix app.), Sony BDP-S3100 Blu-ray player, Roku N1000 (original model), PC (Windows 7), Comcast Internet (120Mbps/12Mbps).
Bedroom:LG 32LV3400-UA TV (32-in 768p 60Hz LED/LCD), HD DVR (Motorola RNG200N), Xfinity Comcast cable (Digital Preferred Plus), DVD/VHS player.

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It would be nice to see what UHD-capable customers are getting on the average, and what HD-capable customers are getting, but we aren't given that type of breakout.
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FWIW ... The UltraFlix app does a download test at startup and my comcast cable averages 33Mb/s. I subscribe to the 25Mb/s service.
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1080P sets have better picture quality now. 4K content doesn't change that. Blacks on a 4K LED are the same greys as before, they're just now rendered with more pixels.
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Blacks on a 4K LED are the same greys as before
Really? In the wrong hands, any TV can be made to look bad. You should have seen how awful the OLED looked at my local Best Buy. After owning a 4K, I have a dislike for jaggies ...
http://samsung-4k-6840.tumblr.com/
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any one list of 4k streaming netflix titles
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any one list of 4k streaming netflix titles
I'm not sure, but you could probably search for them under 4k or Ultra HD.

You do need to subscribe to the higher tier of streaming service to view them in 4K, though.
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I am disappointed that, according to the original post in this thread, "initial reports indicate that the new UHD/4K streams do not quite rise to Blu-ray quality." I want steaming 4K content to surpass blu-ray quality before I open my wallet for a 4K television.
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I am disappointed that, according to the original post in this thread, "initial reports indicate that the new UHD/4K streams do not quite rise to Blu-ray quality." I want steaming 4K content to surpass blu-ray quality before I open my wallet for a 4K television.
Well, what would one expect of 15mbps stream of 4k video when bluerays are 1/4 the resolution but almoat 5x the data (3x even counting the more efficient codec)

No I wouldn't buy a uhd tv for Netflix 4k, but for the new upcoming uhd-bluerays that would by all estimations blow the socks off the current blueray spec.
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I am wondering if the streaming providers can use some workaround:
1. First send the movie file with "holes" to the end-user media player using legacy file transfer protocol
2. Then streaming "holes" as usual, while erasing displayed parts of the stored movie file.
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Must admit I am also a bit pessimistic about 4K streaming based on how the broadcasters already "squash" their HD content...
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I think the netflix 4k streaming is pretty damn good. May not be as good as having a disk with uncompressed data, but I can tell the difference. Especially when its true 4k that was filmed in 4k not converted.
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I watched Antartica (2014) on UltraFlix. Cost me $1.99.

Neither Netflix nor Amazon 4K comes close to the quality I saw there. Incredible.

FYI - I have Comcast 50Mbps.
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I watched Antartica (2014) on UltraFlix. Cost me $1.99.

Neither Netflix nor Amazon 4K comes close to the quality I saw there. Incredible.

FYI - I have Comcast 50Mbps.
I second the post on UltraFlix picture quality--the best out there as far as I have seen.
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I second the post on UltraFlix picture quality--the best out there as far as I have seen.
does ultraflix work on samsung or is it limited?

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does ultraflix work on samsung or is it limited?
Yes. I have a Samsung 2014 version 4K set and it has a UltraFlix app. Entire library is 4K - and offers a 3-min preview to allow one to confirm picture quality - great service ... especially for IMAX films that were originally shot on 70mm. Very satisfied.
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But....but...now everyone has been demoing 8K screens at conventions and the sort. So what if...what if....4K becomes the new beta? Whoops.
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They can manufacture 8K sets if they like, but there's virtually no content that's ever been produced that could take advantage of that format. There's very little that can take advantage of 4K, let alone 8K.

Don't tug on that, you never know what it might be attached to...
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DirecTV says it will have 4k VOD yet this year, and streaming in 2015/16.
Is that article implying that they will do VOD over their satellites? I would imagine that they will always need to do that over the internet.
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