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Since echo directionality is not as critical as the sound coming from the original source, I suspect that echos will likely be mixed into the channel bed rather than treated as additional objects.

It would make sense, however, to treat reflective surfaces as objects in the mix for purposes of creating the sound field. Imagine the sound from a passing car reflected off of a wall positioned 5' from your head vs. the reflection from a large building across the street. Given the relatively high numeric limit on the number of sound objects in an Atmos mix, I suspect recording engineers will quickly appreciate both the sonic improvements and increased simplicity of assigning major reflective surfaces as objects in the mix. This will be especially true in digitally created content where exact positions are known and object metadata could be readily transferred into the mix during the rendering process. The creation of James Cameron's "Avatar" comes to mind.

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It is hoped that this processing will make its way into future Atmos capable receivers.
Are you only going on hope or has Dolby given some indication that this is a possible feature of Atmos?

Not sure why they'd need it, as distance cues can be created with the sound of the reflections, since that's how our ears/brains determine distance.

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The HRTF processing must be able to be switched on and off.
Lets keep our fingers crossed the receiver-makers realize that too...

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I cannot wait to see what I will be able to play with in settings once my new Yamaha is upgraded to support Atmos via a firmware update I read about
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Ha ha, that Dolby Atmos YouTube trailer is mono. LOL.
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Ha ha, that Dolby Atmos YouTube trailer is mono. LOL.
No, it is not mono. It is a demo of a single object located at the 0,0,0 xyz coordinates (in the middle of the head)
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No, it is not mono. It is a demo of a single object located at the 0,0,0 xyz coordinates (in the middle of the head)
LMAO at every single ATMOS coordinate!!!

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Is anyone concerned that new AVRs with atmos processing will be outdated soon when DTS releases its object based algorithm? Or is DTS going to be minor player in this arena since it is late to the party?
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You forgot to include the possibility that the manufacturers might have included enough memory in their 2014 models that they can provide firmware updates to support the DTS format. It might be an extra-cost option, though, if there are additional license fees.

At any rate, getting all upset about it now is just a waste of energy. Hopefully we'll find out more during CEDIA.

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Is anyone concerned that new AVRs with atmos processing will be outdated soon when DTS releases its object based algorithm? Or is DTS going to be minor player in this arena since it is late to the party?
At this point all DTS has is DTS-MA and Neo:X. There is nothing new yet but they are working on something.

If this is of concern to you then yes, you should wait it out.

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Is anyone concerned that new AVRs with atmos processing will be outdated soon when DTS releases its object based algorithm? Or is DTS going to be minor player in this arena since it is late to the party?
Depends HOW late and how may manufacturers will allow you speaker locations be defined from the 24.1.10. One have to assumen the make it out to the 2nd round of AVRs at least...

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Thanks, good comparative information. I already have a 11.2 set up and process all audio into the DTS-Neo, albeit with matrixed sound to the wides , heights,and backs. My heights though are positioned as dolby atmos front heights rather the Neo suggested position, just made more sense in my set up and it works nicely. I could easily add the atmos rear heights, but the auro array seems too congested, at least for my 19x14x8 theater room. It will be interesting to see which of these formats leads the home theater viewing/listening realm in the months/years to come, especially considering few will be able or willing to go beyond a 5.1 set up.
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Thanks, good comparative information. I already have a 11.2 set up and process all audio into the DTS-Neo, albeit with matrixed sound to the wides , heights,and backs. My heights though are positioned as dolby atmos front heights rather the Neo suggested position, just made more sense in my set up and it works nicely. I could easily add the atmos rear heights, but the auro array seems too congested, at least for my 19x14x8 theater room. It will be interesting to see which of these formats leads the home theater viewing/listening realm in the months/years to come, especially considering few will be able or willing to go beyond a 5.1 set up.
I think I'm going to say either Atmos or DTS-UHD. Auro3D, at least the version they're thinking of putting in high end consumer gear, is not object based.

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http://www.denon.co.uk/uk/product/pa...ctid=avrx5200w
the AVR-X5200W is a powerful 9 channel amplifier with 11.2 channel processing and 13.2 preout.
I realize I havn't had much sleep lately but I am counting 11 speaker connections on the rear of the Denon X5200. I thought it was a standard 9ch. receiver requiring the use of an external amp for the last 2 channels, making it 11ch. in total?
My other confusion is concerning the 13 ch? Does the amp allow for zone 2 or zone 3 to operated with an external 2 channel amp. (which makes is 13 channels) Yes, that would make sense for 13 channel power.

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the AVR-X5200W is a powerful 9 channel amplifier with 11.2 channel processing and 13.2 preout.
I realize I havn't had much sleep lately but I am counting 11 speaker connections on the rear of the Denon X5200. I thought it was a standard 9ch. receiver requiring the use of an external amp for the last 2 channels, making it 11ch. in total?
My other confusion is concerning the 13 ch? Does the amp allow for zone 2 or zone 3 to operated with an external 2 channel amp. (which makes is 13 channels) Yes, that would make sense for 13 channel power.
It has 9 amps. Pre-amps for the rest. It can only do 11.2 processing at once... the extra two outputs are silent at least during Atmos processing. The 13.2 are there for ease of one additional set of speakers in a different location (maybe for DTS Neo:X or other legacy post processing).

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Will Atmos be the 3D of the audio world in a sense that it is a great idea but most consumers will not care about it?

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Will Atmos be the 3D of the audio world in a sense that it is a great idea but most consumers will not care about it?
Who knows? However, the industry is embracing object audio because it simplifies soundtrack engineering. One master mix for all formats and channel counts. It could become as ubiquitous as DTS Master Audio compression of multi-channel PCM masters is now.

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Will Atmos be the 3D of the audio world in a sense that it is a great idea but most consumers will not care about it?
Unfortunately, or fortunately, some of us will become addicted to it; that is for sure, and with all the consequences that come with it.

...Same thing that is happening with 3D HDTV and 3D UHD TV and Blu-ray 3D movies.

* Curved TVs? ...I don't think so. ...But some will; there are always some who will ...
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We need to get people posting all the blu ray Atmos releases coming out/ that have been released so far. Any new ones except for... TMNT? And... the Hercules / dancathon musical movie? C'mon... give us some Hobbit, Gravity, Brave, Star Trek, etc ,etc! If not the best then at least stuff that's not garbage.
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Are they purposefully releasing terrible movies with Atmos so they will finally sell? This is like buying a Ferrari and having no gas available to put in the tank!
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Are they purposefully releasing terrible movies with Atmos so they will finally sell? This is like buying a Ferrari and having no gas available to put in the tank!
Those movies wouldn't sell on the best of days...... let alone now, that they have ATMOS.

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Those titles have been known for at least a week.
Also there's the Bollywood title Mary Kom

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I may become a broken record but show us some catalog, even just news of "it'll happen in time" and a ballpark of what movies and studios are backing atmos... Not sure who would be satisfied by only future movies being showcased in this tech.

I see my collection of blu-ray as a whole that should have some through-line even if not equality. If Hercules has atmos I'll want Star Wars saga, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones and Terminator movies to be re-released with it. Throw in the older transformers on the to-do list if the new one(s) will be atmos as standard. I'll rebuy.
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I may become a broken record but show us some catalog, even just news of "it'll happen in time" and a ballpark of what movies and studios are backing atmos... Not sure who would be satisfied by only future movies being showcased in this tech.

I see my collection of blu-ray as a whole that should have some through-line even if not equality. If Hercules has atmos I'll want Star Wars saga, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones and Terminator movies to be re-released with it. Throw in the older transformers on the to-do list if the new one(s) will be atmos as standard. I'll rebuy.
There are a few catalog titles from 2012 through 2013 that had Atmos theatrically that may be getting re-releases soon, as well as a few remixes of back titles (a little birdie in the industry told me). It will be slow at first (it's expensive to do a full remix if there was no theatrical Atmos mix to begin with as they have to rustle up the original individual sound elements from the archives - not just the multi-track stems - if they still exist, and they also like to get the green-light from and use the expertise of the original theatrical soundtrack engineers, if possible).

Some A-list catalog titles and recent disc releases (with cinema Atmos mixes), that were prepped before the updated mastering software that makes allowances for Atmos on Blu-ray was ready, may not get Atmos soundtracks until 4k Blu-ray in late 2015 as an added incentive for people to re-buy in the newest format. It just depends on what the studios have in mind.

One other thing has to be shaken out first: which studios are going to support which 3D audio formats. There are potentially three: Dolby Atmos, Auro3D, and DTS's upcoming format. We know Warner Bros, Paramount, and Lionsgate are offering Atmos, but we haven't heard from the other big players yet.

It's still very early in the game.

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I saw that first Dolby Atmos ad when I went to see Maze runner... just hearing the panning effects gave me the chills... that's the coolest audio sound I've ever heard.

The 2nd trailer sounds fantastic even on my crappy 2 speaker PC system.
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I saw that first Dolby Atmos ad when I went to see Maze runner... just hearing the panning effects gave me the chills... that's the coolest audio sound I've ever heard.

The 2nd trailer sounds fantastic even on my crappy 2 speaker PC system.
I'm so happy that I got a Blu-ray disc at CEDIA (AVS meet) with all of the trailers in it and in real Atmos sound!

Played around with it a bunch but I only have conventional 7.1 sound right now. Still sounded good though.

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