Originally Posted by vinnie97
That's a matter of opinion, innit?. The Pro-Logic receiver I owned from the 90s lasted forever (I eventually sold it in 2010/11). The SC-05 I have now is also going strong.
It's sad to see Pioneer disintegrate before our very eyes.
Vintage-heads will never be satisfied by anything but their SX-1980 holy grail :eyeroll:, yet as novel as that behemoth is, I'd say that of the modern stuff, the peak came with the VSX-49TX, and 59TXi circa the early 2000s, which I know you and I have discussed before, Vinnie. Major important fact was that those tanks were the last of the Made in Japan variety (even the big-daddy SC-09TX was made in Malaysia by that point) and it shows throughout the construction and even the way the caps and power supply components are carefully labeled almost as if to be seen. Even the touchscreen remote, which was honestly a pain to use, was a completely over-engineered piece of gear. Sadly, this era suffered from digital board failures which put a bit of a damper on their legendary status, but took NOTHING away from their flawless construction and attention to details.
I do have to admit, even having a pair of BeoLab 5s, I'm surprised to hear so much love lavished on ICE amps which is nice to hear. On the audiophile 2 channel side, Ice stuff is generally derided for having negative characteristics in the treble and such (again, eyeroll). Yet having the Lab 5s in the same listening room with 802Ds on good amplification, I prefer the Lab 5s and their supposedly "horrible" ICE amplification.
Interestingly, I too still have a fully functional Pro-Logic VSX-406 from *1996* that NEVER is turned off because it serves as a homebrew subwoofer amp at my brother's place. It just keeps going and going and going, and that was a MID level model that wasn't even Japanese made.