Originally Posted by tpaxadpom
Onkyo 805 was a game changer in the receiver market (imho). It was to good to be true kind of product. Excellent power amp, beefed up power supply, good DAC, Audissey MultiEQ XT.
along with questionable reliability and hence a ton or refurbs in the market the next year going for less than $400 in some cases
Those were( are) great units when they worked. I bought a refurbed 875 back then for like $550
HDMI board died( no surprise there) but it was fixed under warranty
btw..I am an Onkyo fan I just always suggest to extend the warranty on them
Originally Posted by Playdrv4me
That's actually pretty cool, although the Onkyo is not fully balanced, so they may as well be fancy RCAs, and the Yamaha is astonishingly lacking an XLR for the sub, which is where a lot of noise issues can show up and the benefits of XLRs can really come into play. It seems like the Asian brands always happen to *just* miss something when it comes to things like audiophile interconnects and topologies versus the established American and European audiophile brands.
Of all the Japanese brands, I think Sony over the years did the best job of embracing FULL BALANCED XLR connections for 2 channel audio which is where it really shines. Despite the fact that a lot of audiophiles dismiss Sony when it comes audiophile equipment discussions, they've had some amazing special edition equipment over the years. Of course, none of this was sold at the big box store level with the exception of store within a store specialty concepts like Magnolia, as mentioned.
I dont know of a fully balanced pre/pro under $6K
That is really not a price point where the Asians brands play
The Asians brand may miss something as you say
However there are really no choices at their price points
A salesguy told me something at a higher end stereo store the other day. I asked him about some higher end brands..Krell, mcIntosh etc that they carry..he said it was the 80/20 rule
You pay 20% of the price of some of those units with an Asian brand..but you get 80% of the performance
What is that extra 20% worth?
Just like many things that is in the mind and wallet of the prospective buyer
I personally have never seen a Sony audio product that was impressive...video yes...audio no
Even their higher end ES labeled receivers today dont have very good amp sections
They are loaded with "tricks" though