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Pioneer Unloads Home Electronics Business



Pioneer Corporation will sell a majority share in its home electronics business to Private equity firm, and Onkyo is grabbing a share as well.

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The Wall Street Journal reports Pioneer Corporation will sell a 51% share of its home electronics business to Baring Private Equity Asia, and it will also sell a smaller share to Onkyo. Despite the sale, the Pioneer brand will continue to grace the gear sold by the company, and Pioneer Corporation will keep a minority stake.

"The company said Tuesday it has agreed to sell a 51% stake in its unit, Pioneer Home Electronics Corp., to Baring Private Equity Asia and an unspecified stake to Onkyo, which also makes audiovisual equipment. Pioneer will retain a stake in the unit with the remaining 49% divided between Onkyo and Pioneer though the breakdown wasn't disclosed. Onkyo and Pioneer will continue to sell their products under their separate brands." Source: WSJ.com
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That's weird, I was thinking of buying one of their new AVRs, but now? Not so much.
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That's weird, I was thinking of buying one of their new AVRs, but now? Not so much.
Why not? They're great receivers and the company isn't going under-- your warranty is going to be completely unaffected by this.
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Both companies announcing Atmos info around the same time is interesting.

Also since Onkyo is no longer going to use Audyssey. I wonder if they will implement Pioneers calibration software instead?
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Not a fan of Onkyo...
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So this can explain where the backbone tech of "accuEQ" is coming from, they are just putting a few of their own touches and gui on MCACC.

So what will this mean for the two brands?
Will they use onkyo as a budget feature pusher and using pioneer as a 'Upper market' brand or vice versa?

Maybe Onkyo could get the Class D 'ICE power' tech and loose their reputation for running hot?
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Oh well, But when comes audio and video they are great, the Gui sucks, If I had to upgrade would I buy one? Nope I go with Denon or Marantz.
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Everything went downhill after the kuro. And the last best AVR's they made were the SC receivers with ICE amps from B&O. Never had any interest in their newer receivers which are, imo, of lower quality compared to ICE receivers.
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Ironically, I just sold a pioneer receiver to buy an onkyo because I wanted Audyssey. MCACC does a decent enough job with main speakers for movies, bit it absolutely SUCKS for music.....not to mention, MCACC murders the bass.

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Ironically, I just sold a pioneer receiver to buy an onkyo because I wanted Audyssey. MCACC does a decent enough job with main speakers for movies, bit it absolutely SUCKS for music.....not to mention, MCACC murders the bass.
MCACC doesn't EQ the sub. It just sets levels and distances.

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Everything went downhill after the kuro. And the last best AVR's they made were the SC receivers with ICE amps from B&O. Never had any interest in their newer receivers which are, imo, of lower quality compared to ICE receivers.
I do love my Elite SC-55
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Im totally blown away by the sell of Pioneer! !! Im not a fan of Onkyo at all. Not for me anyways. I was thinking of getting another sc model ,but now Im not so sure.
Im glad Im in the process of building an system which mostly will comprise of Emotiva components. I will hold onto my SC 1222k Pioneer AVR. Its awesome !!! I hope that this sell doesnt take Pioneer down in flames,or worst ,start using really cheap parts???
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I wonder if this will push Onkyo into finally adding Airplay to their AVRs. That's a big deal for Apple users like myself. Makes listening to music from my phone very easy. I know they have Bluetooth on their AVRs but that's still not as good and as easy to use as Airplay.

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I do love my Elite SC-55
The design of the newer SC's aren't as good as these models That's the one i have. The new models after that looked cheaper. And no ICE amps!
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The design of the newer SC's aren't as good as these models That's the one i have. The new models after that looked cheaper. And no ICE amps!
That's the one I have
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So what's left for them to sell now? Car audio and Laser Discs?
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The design of the newer SC's aren't as good as these models That's the one i have. The new models after that looked cheaper. And no ICE amps!
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pretty surprising! Wonder what this means for their receivers. Hope Pioneer doesn't start getting their HDMI boards from Onkyo

I thought that Sharp already had an ownership stake in Pioneer as well?

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MCACC doesn't EQ the sub. It just sets levels and distances.
Funny you guys say this, I couldn't agree more. I'm still using an SC-37 as it has the awesome ICE amps, and every surround format I desire. However, I don't use MCACC at all. It is terrible in my room. It absolutely kills the outstanding imaging of my speakers in 2 channel and sounds worse in 5.1 as well!
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Pioneer receivers peaked in 1980, FYI.
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pretty surprising! Wonder what this means for their receivers. Hope Pioneer doesn't start getting their HDMI boards from Onkyo
My thoughts are the hdmi boards are equally crap at least after owning the vsx 1122k. All of the hdmi ports on that receiver werent properly soldered and came lose within the return period and no I didn't plug/unplug them repeatedly till it broke.

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My thoughts are the hdmi boards are equally crap at least after owning the vsx 1122k. All of the hdmi ports on that receiver werent properly soldered and came lose within the return period and no I didn't plug/unplug them repeatedly till it broke.
My anecdotal experience: I've owned a few Pioneer receivers (mostly low-end) over the past few years and have never had a problem with them or the HDMI connections. A VSX-819 that I ended up selling, A VSX-521 that I gave to a friend recently, and an Elite VSX-21TXH (that was built like a tank for a non-SC series AVR) that I sold to a buddy a couple years back that's still chugging along. Also bought my dad a cheap VSX-520 a few years ago and no issues so far.

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MCACC doesn't EQ the sub. It just sets levels and distances.
I'm aware of this, which is one of the reasons I wanted to transition away from MCACC.
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Wow. Another one bites the dust. Any more mainstream Japanese CE companies left? Sony? Panasonic? Is that about it? Do Denon, Yamaha, and Onkyo count?
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that makes two of us
Actually, I like Onkyo. High in features, designed well (although they tend to run warm), and the actual power under load (as I have observed from viewing tests) is better than any brand at their model's given price points until the 1K mark. I have a Denon and Onkyo and have owned Yamaha and Sony previously. I like my Denon better, but then it cost several hundred dollars more.

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I have a Pioneer Elite VSX-53, I love it with the exception of the remote which is very cheaply made. They actually bend if you press them hard enough. Also Pioneer Elite Blu ray player, nice but ever now and then it locks up. I have to unplug it.

I like Pioneer, but I know from what I've bought recently they do have their quirks. Better than my experience with Denon AVR's which all the ones I've had blew up on me within a year.

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So what's left for them to sell now? Car audio and Laser Discs?
DJ'ing equipment (aka mixers and CD/DVD/media players). But, this is depressing.
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Pioneer receivers peaked in 1980, FYI.
That's a matter of opinion, innit?. The Pro-Logic receiver I owned from the 90s lasted forever (I eventually sold it in 2010/11). The SC-05 I have now is also going strong.

It's sad to see Pioneer disintegrate before our very eyes.
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