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That bit of optimism is history, along with Samsung's OLED offering. Evidently going all-in on oversized, curved, edgelit, UHD LCDs is the power move. Family TVs for the living room drive the market, and having the biggest curved screens for the lowest price looks like the chosen path.

It's a bit mind-blowing, considering how incredible the UN64F8500 is, I did not expect it to calibrate so perfectly, and look so good. Soon, I'm going to sound like those Kuro-heads that people in the LCD forums make fun of.
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Not quite Plasma Picture Quality...
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I will miss plasmas but...Samsung got into plasma displays by cribbing Pioneer secrets.

Pioneer was awarded like $60 million dollars for it. And, as everyone knows, Pioneer soon pulled out.

I'm glad Panasonic stuck it out as long as they did but we should have had a few more years of KURO.

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I think the Samsung plasmas will be gone sooner than that.amazon doesn't have the F8500 64" in stock.only 193 in stock of the 60" ,The 51" they have plenty, amazon only let you put 3 digits I put 999 and they are available so that means that they have more than that.


They don't have available the 51" 60" and 64" F5300 .




So Samsung plasmas will end sooner than expected.

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Glad I got my Panasonic plasma when I did. Can't blame Samsung or Panasonic for giving up on plasma. The average consumer thinks streaming netflix looks fine and LCD look great. There is no room for quality anymore. I really fear Blu-Ray is next on the chopping block.
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Panasonic can do with LCD's and some LGD OLED panels .

I think the new world order is Samsung and LG for now anyway
Some support for your new world order...

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The story continues here, UDC makes Samy OLED...,http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...led-tv-di.aspx


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Why would the 8500 start to become hard to find if the true date of end of manufacturing is November 30? That implies one of three: true date is prior to November 30 or Samsung plans to make fewer sets per month , or marketing hype. Otherwise, should be plenty to satisfy demand thru at least end of September/October. Not at all hard to find now. All Best Buys have them available. And would think could order them directly from Samsung into November.
This is the same thing people said about Panasonic when they said Plasma operations would cease in March...come December/January there was definitely not plenty of supply as production actually ended earlier. Although we're talking about two different corporations here I'm sure production won't continue in a normal volume as they wind down production...one day they'll be easy to get and the next thing you know, they'll be unavailable and you'll be paying above MSRP.

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I think the Samsung plasmas will be gone sooner than that.amazon doesn't have the F8500 64" in stock.only 193 in stock of the 60" ,The 51" they have plenty, amazon only let you put 3 digits I put 999 and they are available so that means that they have more than that.


They don't have available the 51" 60" and 64" F5300 .




So Samsung plasmas will end sooner than expected.
The 64" is not only in stock by FULFILLED by Amazon. Where did you get your gross information?
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This is the same thing people said about Panasonic when they said Plasma operations would cease in March...come December/January there was definitely not plenty of supply as production actually ended earlier. Although we're talking about two different corporations here I'm sure production won't continue in a normal volume as they wind down production...one day they'll be easy to get and the next thing you know, they'll be unavailable and you'll be paying above MSRP.

I was corrected about that.....Panasonic said end of 2013....and sets were available for MSRP through the end of 2013.
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The 64" is not only in stock by FULFILLED by Amazon. Where did you get your gross information?


The 64" are only available from third party .
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It is not about the cost (although that is something to consider), it is about being green. I have hooked up a watt meter to my plasmas, and they will draw their maximum rated power during certain scenes in movies.
The only thing green means is it cost more and doesn't work as well.
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Why would the 8500 start to become hard to find if the true date of end of manufacturing is November 30? That implies one of three: true date is prior to November 30 or Samsung plans to make fewer sets per month , or marketing hype. Otherwise, should be plenty to satisfy demand thru at least end of September/October. Not at all hard to find now. All Best Buys have them available. And would think could order them directly from Samsung into November.
the part you are ignoring is that the news that production is going to end will drive up buyer demand
those on the fence that think they still have another year or so will go ahead and pull the trigger
I would also bet the prices wont be like Panasonic did at the end
I bet they hold pretty firm on price

Though at some point next year you will probably be able to find a store display at BB for a fire sale price


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Mark, you did great with your purchase. The only deal that would have bested this was the original (and very UN-sanctioned by Samsung) Conn's deal I found for the forum last year (in the "Deals" section) when they were literally dumping brand *NEW* 64F8500s for 1999 and 60F8500s for 1499 which is when we got our 60. Later on, I got a 51F5300 as well and paid nearly full retail for that (of course there isn't nearly the markup at 600 that there is at 3000!

Glad now that I made the decision to jump when I did. Despite the Samsung service problems we've discussed in the past, I love the TVs very much for what they provide at their given price points, ESPECIALLY the 5300 and even the 720P 4500 I had at one point before it. FWIW, while I too have the 2k MicroCenter LG OLED deal, it remains sitting in a box because it's gonna be tough to beat what the F5300 provides at its price point. R.I.P. plasma.
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the part you are ignoring is that the news that production is going to end will drive up buyer demand
those on the fence that think they still have another year or so will go ahead and pull the trigger
I would also bet the prices wont be like Panasonic did at the end
I bet they hold pretty firm on price

Though at some point next year you will probably be able to find a store display at BB for a fire sale price

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I just bought the store demo from my Best Buy. Don't count on F8500s being in stores next year. I agree that the price gouging on the ZT60 is a sign of things to come for the F8500. The 64-inch version is already rare. Last week at CE Week in NYC a Samsung higher-up specifically told me the F8500 is starting to become hard to find.
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I just bought the store demo from my Best Buy. Don't count on F8500s being in stores next year. I agree that the price gouging on the ZT60 is a sign of things to come for the F8500. The 64-inch version is already rare. Last week at CE Week in NYC a Samsung higher-up specifically told me the F8500 is starting to become hard to find.
you could be right

I just remember Kuro's and Sharp Elite LED's ( display units) being in the stores a year after they were discontinued...at less than 50%-65% off retail


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Mark, you did great with your purchase. The only deal that would have bested this was the original (and very UN-sanctioned by Samsung) Conn's deal I found for the forum last year (in the "Deals" section) when they were literally dumping brand *NEW* 64F8500s for 1999 and 60F8500s for 1499 which is when we got our 60. Later on, I got a 51F5300 as well and paid nearly full retail for that (of course there isn't nearly the markup at 600 that there is at 3000!

Glad now that I made the decision to jump when I did. Despite the Samsung service problems we've discussed in the past, I love the TVs very much for what they provide at their given price points, ESPECIALLY the 5300 and even the 720P 4500 I had at one point before it. FWIW, while I too have the 2k MicroCenter LG OLED deal, it remains sitting in a box because it's gonna be tough to beat what the F5300 provides at its price point. R.I.P. plasma.
Selected Sears stores have the F8500 as well....though none near me..
I would say there will be some firesale deals there as well
I bought an 60" ST60 there about 60 days ago for 75% off retail

Sears is an odd bird though...markdowns are store dependent on clearance and once they sell down to very few they dont really mark them down anymore

But it has served me though...I have bought 8 Tv's from them in the last 4 years at 75% off( or more) MSRP...all store displays
A few of those Tv's were for relatives/friends who told me to be on the look out for a deal


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Haven't checked in with the plasma crowd in awhile. This thread feels like a wake.

It isn't just the "green" aspect of power consumption, or the extra $$$ on the electric bill. It's the losing battle with evolving energy regulations. California's will soon make larger plasma sales untenable.

Cheer up, you guys. LG is still around making plasmas. Which I find somewhat ironic, seeing as five years ago LG was the favorite whipping boy of the plasmaphile crowd for their "low end" displays. Now they're the only ones keeping the faith -- maybe they've finally earned some love here.

The writing was on the wall for plasmas over ten years ago when Sony, a leader not only in consumer electronics but professional video, bailed on them.

I myself still have an ancient Pioneer plasma (given to me by a guy who bought a 60" Sony.) The power supply looks like it might be giving up for the second time, so I hope I can find (another) replacement on eBay to keep it going.

I think the videophile action these days is in projectors, which have breathed new life into DLP and the "immersive" mancave experience much beloved by plasma people.
Sony is not a leader in anything these days but poor timing. They pushed CRTs well past their expiration date when flat panels were already taking a strong hold and then got stung having to source first plasma panels from NEC and Fujitsu, and then LCD panels from Samsung and Sharp.

This coming from a 1990s Sony aficionado who is going around buying up all the 1980s and 1990s Sony gadgets I wanted back then (CCD-VX3 camcorder I found as an ex-display, GV-S50 video walkman, KV-25th 25th Anniversary 5 inch Trinitron portable etc.) when they WERE making amazing, albeit high priced gadgets.
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I just bought the store demo from my Best Buy. Don't count on F8500s being in stores next year. I agree that the price gouging on the ZT60 is a sign of things to come for the F8500. The 64-inch version is already rare. Last week at CE Week in NYC a Samsung higher-up specifically told me the F8500 is starting to become hard to find.
The biggest irony about all this is that for all the hype surrounding the ZT60, I am glad we ended up with the F8500 instead. I *had* a brand new 60ZT60 which I also got a great deal on at something like 1698 after a botched delivery or something. I sold it to another forum member who is very happy with it, but the other ZT and VTs I had tried before I got that one quickly developed station logo IR and were unusable to me for that reason. The Samsungs fare better here, even if at the sacrifice of some shadow detail. Then it came about later that the little microcracks were starting to appear on the ZTs and I never did follow up on what became of all that. A rather over-hyped set IMO due to its overall fragility, though there is no doubting the world-class picture it could produce.
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It's hard to argue with that. Nothing like choosing vivid mode, cranking up the sharpness, turning on overscan plus motion interpolation, and throwing open the window shades... it's time to watch some TV!

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Why would the 8500 start to become hard to find if the true date of end of manufacturing is November 30? That implies one of three: true date is prior to November 30 or Samsung plans to make fewer sets per month , or marketing hype. Otherwise, should be plenty to satisfy demand thru at least end of September/October. Not at all hard to find now. All Best Buys have them available. And would think could order them directly from Samsung into November.
Well, the most of news stories say something like Samsung SDI will stop plasma panel manufacturing business by Nov. 30th. Would you really interpret that to mean they're going to make their last panel on the 30th to fanfare with a band and have a celebration/celebration? Or, would it be more prudent to believe they might stop as soon as possible and it will be no later than Nov. 30th? Further, even if they do produce panels up to the 30th, how do we know when they will stop making F8500 panels? Maybe the F5300 panels will be made up to Nov 30th and the F8500's panels will be stopped much earlier?

The bottom line is, if you really want a F8500, act now.
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amazon doesn't have the F8500 64" in stock.
They haven't had any "sold by Amazon" 64" F8500s in stock for at least 3 months.
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One thing to consider is when Panasonic quit the plasma business Samsung was left as an alternative with some reasonably good performing sets and ofc the superlative f8500 .

Now it's different with Samsung leaving in that with only LG remaining (at best a lackluster alternative overall in plasma by comparison ) the landscape is getting pretty barren .

The market for the remaining Samsung PDPs is unpredictable to some extent although they will sell every last one of them but at the same time it's not hard to imagine some hoarding, ever dwindling supplies (possibly rapidly ) and price gouging will occur.

Personally like most here I would have prefered both Sammie and Panasonic would have remained in plasma
until OLED shakes out (if it does and it might eventually ) the key word being eventually as a competitive alternative .


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You left out popping a top.
So do you get many interesting phone calls listing your phone number in your signature like that?
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So do you get many interesting phone calls listing your phone number in your signature like that?
Phone number also appears in a current Audiogon classified ad
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It's extremely sad to see the end of Plasma technology come, but I have to commend Samsung for hanging in as long as they have. I bought my first HDTV in 2003 and waded through years of playing with settings to find the perfect image. I fell into the store display trap and was always on the hunt for the display that could match the one set to torch mode with egregious amounts of sharpening and the horrid soap opera effect, only to find when I got it home, it just didn't look right. I had enough in 2011 when I just couldn't get my LED/LCD to look right, no matter what I did. By this point I understood that torch mode killed the picture and had the image properly calibrated. I found myself in the market again for a new TV (I was buying one every year at this point) and I took the advice of many on this forum and purchased a Panasonic 65VT30. I've loved it since the day it came home and I finally found what I was looking for. It's not without its faults, but I can easily overlook them as I get that picture window effect I wanted and it has great blacks. I missed the boat on getting the ZT60 and I like the 8500, but not sure if I want to upgrade. I think I will stick it out with my trusty VT30 and hope that us videophiles aren't completely forgotten during this time of marketting hype geared towards unnescessry resolution.

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Every great thing must come to an end, and plasma is no exception. While plasma does offer unparalleled picture quality, it comes with its own downfalls. The biggest being the hungry power consumption with the F8500 being the worst offender. The 64" model draws over 600 watts of power at full tilt. That alone has driven me to find a more economical alternative.
You know a display doesn't use it's maximum wattage right? My 60" kuro uses 524 watts total. But with normal content playing it stays below 300 watts. The average I noticed is about 250 watts. The lowest about 140 in low contrast scenes.

This right here is one of the reasons plasma is now gone; misinformation.
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Sony is not a leader in anything these days but poor timing. They pushed CRTs well past their expiration date when flat panels were already taking a strong hold and then got stung having to source first plasma panels from NEC and Fujitsu, and then LCD panels from Samsung and Sharp.

This coming from a 1990s Sony aficionado who is going around buying up all the 1980s and 1990s Sony gadgets I wanted back then (CCD-VX3 camcorder I found as an ex-display, GV-S50 video walkman, KV-25th 25th Anniversary 5 inch Trinitron portable etc.) when they WERE making amazing, albeit high priced gadgets.
they made some very good products performance wise up through 2013 with the HX950

price point was somewhat off the mark though

They still have a strong presence in the play station products...and that product is frankly what is probably "keeping the lights on" with their electronics business

There is a market for mid priced edge lit LED's...which I assume are rather inexpensive to make

They didnt really play in that market, nor did Panasonic,..but they seem to each be after it right now in a vigorous way

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Phone number also appears in a current Audiogon classified ad
for a pair of Wilson Audio sophia 2 . I've read those are very good speakers but they are a bit odd looking
(almost monolithic in a sense ) but then so are a lot of other speakers .
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So do you get many interesting phone calls listing your phone number in your signature like that?
I, as a retired industry professional, welcome all phone calls from forum members and guests. I suppose the phone number also gets me nuisance calls seeking donations for various causes where the phone soliciting org keeps over 85% of any contribution, people wanting me to get diabetic supplies from them (I am a diabetic), alarm companies, pain salve etc companies ( itell them I certainly have a pain in the ear I am holding my phone to but I can make it go to the other ear by holding the phone to that ear, and i can make it go away by hanging up, which I quickly do, all sorts of calls like that but I suspect I would get them anyway.

seriously, I make lots of AVS friends that way and we end up visiting, meets etc that way. I have a scary large amount of HT knowledge which I willing to share not to mention a humongus ego.

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Samsung pull's the plug on Plasma production? Not surprised at all. Now who does that leave? LG? Sooner or later they will pull the plug to and that will be the end of Plasma. Not a good day for fan's of Plasma at all. Maybe OLED will pick up the pieces who knows? But as soon as Panasonic left Plasma behind it was the beginning of the end and now that Samsung is stopping production as well it IS the end. LG is the only manufacturer left producing plasma displays and you can bet its only a matter of time before they drop it as well.
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