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So glad I was able to get a Pannasonic plasma shortly after they announced the end of the line. And I still have the last great CRT HDTV, the Sony XBR960, that I bought on close out after they were discontinued. It wasn't planned, but it seems I like to buy great technology just as it breaths a final breath.
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Well, I have a 70" Sony XBR that has the usual problems. I have been Waiting for, what it seems like forever for the next great display to emerge. We all know how that has gone. Never wanted to down size, only get larger and better. Panasonic left the picture and now the 8500. Promises, Promises that the next great display is coming out. Especially something in the 80" category. All ideas would be appreciated. Do I downsize and get a quality set now and watch and wait or what? This unit will disappear as the Panny did and while the 8500 would be smaller, ugh it would be far better than my failing display. ///

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I'm waiting to see how LGs OLEDs that are supposed to come out in a few months look before I consider a Samsung 8500. If LGs OLEDs are sized around 70" and above and not horridly expensive I'll be satisfied with my current Kuro and put off purchasing something for a few years, otherwise I'd like to get an 8500 and put off an OLED for 5 to 10 years. Not a great choice really since my current display still looks great after 7 years, perhaps I shouldn't consider a replacement like the Samsung 8500, it's not an upgrade, it's more of a cross grade but I'm concerned it won't last till something better comes out. Crummy choices but I certainly enjoy my Kuro. Best of luck with your choice struggle, I'd at least wait 3 months to see what comes out if I were you.

Unfortunately the economy has really put a damper on new development of display technology. People just aren't as willing to put dollars into home entertainment when they're working for less money.
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I'm waiting to see how LGs OLEDs that are supposed to come out in a few months look before I consider a Samsung 8500. If LGs OLEDs are sized around 70" and above and not horridly expensive I'll be satisfied with my current Kuro and put off purchasing something for a few years, otherwise I'd like to get an 8500 and put off an OLED for 5 to 10 years. Not a great choice really since my current display still looks great after 7 years, perhaps I shouldn't consider a replacement like the Samsung 8500, it's not an upgrade, it's more of a cross grade but I'm concerned it won't last till something better comes out. Crummy choices but I certainly enjoy my Kuro. Best of luck with your choice struggle, I'd at least wait 3 months to see what comes out if I were you.

Unfortunately the economy has really put a damper on new development of display technology. People just aren't as willing to put dollars into home entertainment when they're working for less money.
The only time I would consider getting a F8500 over a Kuro you already have is if you wanted a bigger tv. I think most Kuro's came in 50" and the F8500 is available in 60" and 64". That or if you needed to use the tv in a bright room.
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Does anyone here have a comparison of the LG LH90 from a few years back vs the F8500? I like my LH90 quite a lot, but the blooming irks me a bit in dark scenes. Trying to figure if it's worth going from my 55LH90 to a 60F8500 for $2k or just wait a couple years for OLED...

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Does anyone here have a comparison of the LG LH90 from a few years back vs the F8500? I like my LH90 quite a lot, but the blooming irks me a bit in dark scenes. Trying to figure if it's worth going from my 55LH90 to a 60F8500 for $2k or just wait a couple years for OLED...

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Things seem to be moving along faster with OLED than I expected. In your situation, I think I'd wait.

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I always thought that the only reason Samsung was making Plasma TVs was to slowly drive Panasonic out of the business.
Especially the last couple years. Plasma was dead when Panny got out.
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While I love my Plasma(s), lets hope LG really does keep up with OLED and they do continue to make them. This years 4k/UHD OLED *will* most likely be the best display ever made if it actually appears. And if people buy them (I hope so) prices will drop eventually.

Plasma had to come a long way before it was at "Kuro" levels. OLED, if people keep supporting it will get to where the masses can all have it and all of the kinks worked out.

And if not, honestly a good LCD panel with properly implemented FALD looks amazing. The sharp elite was a great example of this; with it's major quirk of being slightly off with cyan color (but thats really nit picking, no plasma has accurate color luminance overall). There appears to be a rush of FALD sets coming back this year; so lets hope that trend continues as that tech really improved LCD technology. IMO none of the manufacturers have had FALD sets out long enough to work out all of the kinks/bugs. And Sharp wanted WAY too much for their last attempt at FALD.
Lets hope so. I wanted to buy a FALD this year, but they were still just out of my price range. Couldn't do it so I ended up with an edge-lit Sammy. I can't do plasma because my family would never follow strict rules to prevent IR or Burn as I oftentimes come home to find static images on my LCD that have been there for god-knows-how-long. I just can't risk it. FALD or OLED is my hope for a reference level display, but the prices have to reach the reasonable zone (under 2 grand) before I can take the plunge. So I guess for now it's either edge-lit or CCFL LCD for me.

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Lets hope so. I wanted to buy a FALD this year, but they were still just out of my price range. Couldn't do it so I ended up with an edge-lit Sammy. I can't do plasma because my family would never follow strict rules to prevent IR or Burn as I oftentimes come home to find static images on my LCD that have been there for god-knows-how-long. I just can't risk it. FALD or OLED is my hope for a reference level display, but the prices have to reach the reasonable zone (under 2 grand) before I can take the plunge. So I guess for now it's either edge-lit or CCFL LCD for me.
OLED has IR issues as well, so if that is a major concern for you then you are stuck with LED/LCD for now anyways. Hopefully, this issue can be resolved in the near future.
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OLED has IR issues as well, so if that is a major concern for you then you are stuck with LED/LCD for now anyways. Hopefully, this issue can be resolved in the near future.
I had read that before. I'm hoping they fix the IR issues in the next few years when I'm ready to upgrade again. If not, as you say, LED/LCD will remain my only real choice in flat panel tech.

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I had read that before. I'm hoping they fix the IR issues in the next few years when I'm ready to upgrade again. If not, as you say, LED/LCD will remain my only real choice in flat panel tech.
I've never had any problems whatsoever with IR, but there is the orbiter feature on most TV's these days, and that would eliminate any static images remaining long enough to cause an issue. Also, there's some displays with timer functions that you can set. I've got my ST60 set to shut off automatically if the remote isn't touched for 4 hours. Just another safeguard, so I use it.
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OLED has IR issues as well, so if that is a major concern for you then you are stuck with LED/LCD for now anyways. Hopefully, this issue can be resolved in the near future.
Any info on long term use of LEDs?

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Any info on long term use of LEDs?
Yes. As a backlight typically 40,000+ hours to 75% output...

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I just read article on HDGURU on Samsung pulling out Plasma TV's, You early adopters on 4k You be waiting a little while longer for 4k content like two to three years.
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If you are considering getting a 8500 series just be advised even Best Buy doesn't have tons of them so they won't last for too long, some more may come in but there won't be tons of them and they are all at central warehouse and not in the stores.
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Does anyone know if new inventory is coming in or if samsung is no longer making them with the shutdown of plasma production in four months?
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Does anyone know if new inventory is coming in or if samsung is no longer making them with the shutdown of plasma production in four months?
Well if they shutting down plasma production in four months, what do you think they're doing with all the sets manufactured during those four months? Target practice?

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Well if they shutting down plasma production in four months, what do you think they're doing with all the sets manufactured during those four months? Target practice?
We don't know when they're shutting down production of the various panels. The stories said it would be shut down by Nov 30th. That doesn't mean Nov 30th is the last day. It means they will not be building past that date. For all we know they've already stopped production of some of the panels.

Also to note, Samsung SDI is stopping plasma panel production. We don't know when Samsung will stop building TVs with those panels since it's very unlikely that Samsung SDI is building complete TVs. Presumably Samsung will build out their supply of panels from Samsung SDI.
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We don't know when they're shutting down production of the various panels. The stories said it would be shut down by Nov 30th. That doesn't mean Nov 30th is the last day. It means they will not be building past that date. For all we know they've already stopped production of some of the panels.
That's about right, all this discussion started because a Samsung exec told be point blank that F8500s are already becoming hard to find, that was one week before the announcement about Nov. 30.

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The last Beta was produce 2002, Sony aren't the type of folks let go of a grudge!

They've might of well learned a few important lessons too, they practically paid off a few major studios to drop HDDVD.
And no one bought it since 1984. So bad comparison like I said. Laser discs were made for a while to. Means nothing.

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From a discussion in another thread, it is about Samsung plasma and pentile display.

Apparently the 5000 series 60" set has the pentile display, but it is unclear as to the 51" and 64".

Another question: How about the 8500 Series ? Do those also have pentile display ?

So confusing !



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Another question: How about the 8500 Series ? Do those also have pentile display ?
No, the F8500 uses a conventional RGB stripe.
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I believe with coming of Quantum Dot and OLED, we will have TVs even more mediocre than your average LCD, or even mediocre 4Ks.
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Unfounded concern, I think. Review that recent UK shootout to see how well the debuting technology performed against arguably the best plasma of 2013 and some of the better LCDs of 2014. I see no reason for it to be the apex of what that tech can deliver (not with the kind of money invested). LCD on the other hand is just about tapped out.
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Unfounded concern, I think. Review that recent UK shootout to see how well the debuting technology performed against arguably the best plasma of 2013 and some of the better LCDs of 2014. I see no reason for it to be the apex of what that tech can deliver (not with the kind of money invested). LCD on the other hand is just about tapped out.
I place my bets on Mirasol being important someday, then.
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got mine at a huge discount!
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got mine at a huge discount!

How much and where ? These damn things are expensive, but if I don't get one by the end of the year, my chance is closed. Decisions, decisions.
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I would not advise buying a Samsung plasma. You will probably have issues down the line. Me? 2011 D series that had 3 separate panels (brightness pops / fbr)... then they upgraded / replaced with an E series 10 months later after purchasing the D series. That was 1 & 1/2 years ago. Two days ago my E series sounded and smelled like firecrackers and died. The issue with the D series made the set unwatchable at around the 6 month period (yes, heavy usage). Blacks would flicker / strobe. This issue has been reported by many in the D series owner thread. The issue with the E series, I assume, is on the power board. If you stroll over to the E series thread you will find that there are other people currently reporting power board issues at about the 2 year mark or so too.

A quick background; Samsung settled a class action lawsuit over bad capacitors on their TVs power board/supply in Feb. 2012. It affected both LED and plasma. There was an estimated 7.5 million sets affected. My E series did not even hit the market until a few months after the settlement so it is not covered in the class action suit. That still does not meant that it does not contain the same defect as those covered.

I should have purchased a Panasonic. My best advice to anybody on the fence about an F8500; wait for OLED to come down in price and a flat form factor. It is your gamble, but you have been warned.

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I would not advise buying a Samsung plasma. You will probably have issues down the line. Me? 2011 D series that had 3 separate panels (brightness pops / fbr)... then they upgraded / replaced with an E series 10 months later after purchasing the D series. That was 1 & 1/2 years ago. Two days ago my E series sounded and smelled like firecrackers and died. The issue with the D series made the set unwatchable at around the 6 month period (yes, heavy usage). Blacks would flicker / strobe. This issue has been reported by many in the D series owner thread. The issue with the E series, I assume, is on the power board. If you stroll over to the E series thread you will find that there are other people currently reporting power board issues at about the 2 year mark or so too.

A quick background; Samsung settled a class action lawsuit over bad capacitors on their TVs power board/supply in Feb. 2012. It affected both LED and plasma. There was an estimated 7.5 million sets affected. My E series did not even hit the market until a few months after the settlement so it is not covered in the class action suit. That still does not meant that it does not contain the same defect as those covered.

I should have purchased a Panasonic. My best advice to anybody on the fence about an F8500; wait for OLED to come down in price and a flat form factor. It is your gamble, but you have been warned.
Thanks for info, I went thru same with Sony on the SXRD rear projector, I was thinking about getting one, not now.
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Thanks for info, I went thru same with Sony on the SXRD rear projector, I was thinking about getting one, not now.
LG has a curved 55" OLED hitting the market at $3500 (if you can deal with a curved screen). I advise an extended warranty anytime you are dealing with new and upcoming tech, especially one that does not have a proven history of reliability (yet).

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LG has a curved 55" OLED hitting the market at $3500 (if you can deal with a curved screen). I advise an extended warranty anytime you are dealing with new and upcoming tech, especially one that does not have a proven history of reliability (yet).
I've been warned 4k TV's and OLED too, they have not work the kinks out of them, I have four TV's anyway like I need another one.
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