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The Dolby screening room in Burbank is tuned in accordance to industry standards..

Personally I do find the room to be a little bright, but that's not unusual for a room that size with the speakers they use..

However, it is used for many events, and even for print/track checks.....

It is also a complete mixing stage where they have done several Atmos up mixes..

The demo's they used were as I've experienced them in other venues, including the ones I work in.



Star Trek is a loud mix from the get go.. while it might not be the best choice for a demo, it reproduced as intended.. this is the third actual theater I've heard the film in..

The trailers and Red Bull demo sounded fantastic...

Just my .02...
The room in NYC was painfully loud during the ST demo and annoyingly loud with the others. It may be industry standard but too loud nonetheless.
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Agreed,

- 2015 DTS-UHD

- 2016 AURO 3D

- 2017 Audyssey XT64.... yes technology changes every year!
Audyssey MultEQ XT64; that's a good one. ...Should work real nicely with both DTS-UHD and Auro-3D.

...More processing power from stronger and smaller chips for a true 3D escalation/exhilaration.

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Now, with Dolby Atmos, can we use our own speaker modules to put atop our front mains and back surrounds?
Or do we have to purchase the ones they want us to buy?

Because I got tons of speakers already that I can easily modified to match the required angle when firing up to the ceiling. The Dolby Atmos receiver is the one that produces the DSP effect right?

The overhead speakers we can use any speakers of our liking, even those car coaxial ones we still have in our garages. ...And just get some nice enclosures for them from our own hands. I already have some of those.

* How to build an affordable Dolby Atmos home theater system without losing what's coming up next.
That would be the start of a future thread of mine. ...Next year, when DTS-UHD is in.
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The ability to setup the individual receiver specifically to the location of a person's existing speakers is CRUCIAL for a proper setup. If they have not included this in the Atmos receiver, I would suggest everyone skip this nonsense and DO NOT BUY the receivers coming out.
Dolby don't agree with you on that. In fact, they specifically disagree with you. I won’t repeat what they told me in London but if you are interested it is in my report here.

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Up-firing speakers... again simply silly nonsense. If you are buying these, then you are simply too lazy or simply not interested enough in a home theater to care to do it right
Again, this is not true. Atmos speakers are an entirely valid alternative and almost everyone who has heard them, compared with ceiling speakers, indicated a preference for the Atmos speakers. Laziness and lack of interest is an incorrect speculation on your part.

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If you can't do ceiling speakers or sufficient numbers of speakers, skip this whole concept of object oriented sound. You will simply be wasting your money.
Again, this is entirely untrue. Have you heard the Atmos speakers?
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I personally wouldn't touch any of this tech with a 10ft pole until DTS has had it's say. You know it's coming, and soon so why would anyone mess with an AVR that can only decode one version of a format which we know will have a competitor.

My current 7.2 setup has my surrounds at ear level but my surround backs (polk OWM3's) hanging from the ceiling about 5 feet behind me pointed at the MLP. Would I be best served buying only 2 ceiling speakers to go in the ceiling in front of the MLP and treating the system as a 5.1.4 when using the object audio tracks?
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Up-firing speakers... again simply silly nonsense.
I thought the same thing but everyone keeps saying that it worked better than ceiling. I haven't heard anything but I still will proceed with ceiling speakers. Same all around as my fronts and rears.

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I thought the same thing but everyone keeps saying that it worked better than ceiling. I haven't heard anything but I still will proceed with ceiling speakers. Same all around as my fronts and rears.
The NY Demo was able to easily discern the up-firing speakers from the ceiling speakers in the first post.


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In our demo, the ceiling-mounted speakers sounded clearer, and there was a greater sense of overhead space. Also, the timbre match with the main speakers was good enough to avoid distraction. The reflected sound was more diffuse; to my ears, it sounded processed—like a low-bitrate MP3. In addition, the reflected sound did not create as convincing an illusion of sound coming from directly overhead. I wonder if the speaker placement—directly against the walls—was responsible for that discrepancy.

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As one of the AVS members there, RichB is right. The up firing speakers had a flat and wider sound but with no vertical depth. As an example, the helicopter blades sounded more diffuse and close to your head. With the ceiling speakers, the image was much tighter and the helicopter sounded as if it was much higher over your head. However, the could have even the result of poor speaker placement in the room. My feeling is that this was the case nd that the up firing speakers is the way to go for most people. I look forward to investigating this further when there are more venders signed up and products actually available. I also look forward to seeing what DTS does as Atmos at Home is clearly a challenge to their Blu-ray dominance.
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Thank you for a very informative review of the Atmos, I was looking forward to reading a more balanced impression on this.

I also note that there are several sound-related issues that keeps coming up, and these are not related to Atmos or object-based audio.
The media business really have to start pushing in the right direction to actually improve sound quality, the recent trend of louder and louder and more compressed, distorted sound tracks does not impress, and when people actually bring earplugs to auditions that should be a very obvious clue.

Object-based audio has been around for some time now, and we also see an improvement in surround sound presentation on some recent releases, if this is due to the object mixing, perhaps someone like Filmmixer could elaborate.

For most set-ups the potential for improvement lies in better speakers with better capacity and room acoustic treatment, not more speakers.
A properly calibrated 7.1 system already has the capability to deliver a very good three-dimensional sound presentation.
Get the basics done right first.
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The NY Demo was able to easily discern the up-firing speakers from the ceiling speakers in the first post.





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Thank you Rich for that. I definitely will be timbre matching my ceiling speakers to my fronts and surrounds.
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There was no indication either way Frank but if I was to guess I would say that they were not (at least not at the demonstration in NYC).


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The demo in NYC was the top firing speakers preferred Ralph?

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Was no information given about the titles and release dates of films on Dolby Atmos Blu-Ray?

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Anybody know if this is already going to be a feature or if it's even feasible:

I remember seeing the multi-microphone array orb for setting up I believe it was Tinnov auto-calibration (though I don't think it ever came to pass in whichever pre-amplifier I saw it for, I think it was the Outlaw pre-amp that never came to be)--that orb could determine the location of the speakers in addition to measuring all the other characteristics. Do they have any such thing for calibrating Atmos? It seems to me that if the Atmos encoding is based on the sound's location in an XYZ axis, it would make sense for the processors to know the speakers locations in your system and output the sound accordingly. Afterall, we're not all going to have our speakers in the exact same locations on the XYZ plane. Assuming it's feasible from a processing power standpoint (which, even if it's not as of right now, it will be possible someday) it seems like a missed opportunity if no one jumps on this.
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Was no information given about the titles and release dates of films on Dolby Atmos Blu-Ray?
Dolby is letting the studios do the announcing. Not the best move IMHO. The first should be ready for the holiday buying season.

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Dolby is letting the studios do the announcing. Not the best move IMHO. The first should be ready for the holiday buying season.
My non-scientific view for new releases is do the math. For example, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 theatrical release was on April 24, it's Blu-ray release is Aug. 19.

Basically, a 4 month window so add 4 months to theatrical release date and you have a good idea when to expect an Atmos release, later this year.
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I suspect it depends on the movie and the studio. (How much work is involved and how much they're willing to spend on the mixing.) For example, The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug - 3D: Extended Edition has already been announced for November 3/4, but with DTS-HD MA, and Game of Thrones: The Complete Fourth Season for February 17, 2015, also with DTS-HD MA Given the lead time for GoT, they might yet change their minds.

This information was taken from http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

There are quite a few summer blockbusters that aren't listed yet, so that might be a promising indication.

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You and I would be the perfect people for Dolby Atmos people to invite us @ their next improved demos.
...And with free access to all movies.

I would love a demo receiver since I am setup now with 19 channels. See some my other posts in this regard so I don't have to rehash.

I would not have any problem being a review site for a fully finished room with exceptional fidelity that is ready for true Dolby Atmos right now.

If there was a way to playback an original dolby atmos master from a computer source and dolby hardware... I would be willing to be a test location for reviews.

I waited for 2 years expecting Dolby to come out with the "right" product with home true object oriented surround... and this drivel is NOT what I was expecting. I can't tell you how weak the current offerings look. They should NOT put the Dolby Atmos label on these systems since it is just FALSE ADVERTISING!

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Did you prefer the ceiling mounted speakers over the up firing transducer speaker setup? If I were to go Atoms, I would definitely have ceiling mounted speakers because of the way my theater is setup.
I am with you. I am set up and ready to go for ceiling mounted speakers. I am just waiting for it all to be perfected. This is one area that I am not jumping into head first. I will sit back and watch it all unfold and find the right way for me to go.
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I am with you. I am set up and ready to go for ceiling mounted speakers. I am just waiting for it all to be perfected. This is one area that I am not jumping into head first. I will sit back and watch it all unfold and find the right way for me to go.

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I would love a demo receiver since I am setup now with 19 channels. See some my other posts in this regard so I don't have to rehash.

I would not have any problem being a review site for a fully finished room with exceptional fidelity that is ready for true Dolby Atmos right now.

If there was a way to playback an original dolby atmos master from a computer source and dolby hardware... I would be willing to be a test location for reviews.

I waited for 2 years expecting Dolby to come out with the "right" product with home true object oriented surround... and this drivel is NOT what I was expecting. I can't tell you how weak the current offerings look. They should NOT put the Dolby Atmos label on these systems since it is just FALSE ADVERTISING!
Then perhaps there should be various levels of Dolby Atmos certification products? ...A la THX or Audyssey for example. ...The consumer (general public - low and mid-end) and the professional (up-end) market categories. I think we are arriving to that already.
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I suspect it depends on the movie and the studio. (How much work is involved and how much they're willing to spend on the mixing.) For example, The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug - 3D: Extended Edition has already been announced for November 3/4, but with DTS-HD MA, and Game of Thrones: The Complete Fourth Season for February 17, 2015, also with DTS-HD MA Given the lead time for GoT, they might yet change their minds.
This information was taken from http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html There are quite a few summer blockbusters that aren't listed yet, so that might be a promising indication.

Surely with respect to TV show "audio objectification" there are somewhat different considerations? With no object-based audio standard yet decided for ATSC 3.0 era "reruns" of current shows, there would seem to be an incentive to perhaps 'stay generic' rather than to 'go proprietary' with Atmos. I wonder if "TV Seasons" might not be a BD market segment where (still currently vaporware) DTS-UHD can compete with Home Atmos...?!
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In the home version, the Dolby Atmos mix can include any combination of dynamically moving objects and fixed-position bed objects, up to a total of 128.
Scott.. that is incorrect.

The theatrical version supports 10 bed channels and 118 object, for a total of 128 inputs into the RMU (mastering unit.)

The home theater version most certainly does not support a number that large.. as is evidence by the creation and use of spatial audio coding.
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I heard that a 9.2.2 channel bed won't be possible? Is that true? So then tell me? Why is Onkyo advertising it that way? And what is the use of 32 channel receivers coming out from trinnov, with their soon to release altitude 32? I really wanted wide channel processing!


BTW, we need some specially design ceiling mounted, on-wall speakers from audio manufactures, so us common folks wont have to rip holes in our walls and still get native audio over our heads!

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I heard that a 9.2.2 channel bed won't be possible? Is that true? So then tell me? Why is Onkyo advertising it that way? And what is the use of 32 channel receivers coming out from trinnov, with their soon to release altitude 32? I really wanted wide channel processing!


BTW, we need some specially design ceiling mounted, on-wall speakers from audio manufactures, so us common folks wont have to rip holes in our walls and still get native audio over our heads!
I'm not sure where you heard that... it's not true (and describing the output as a 9.2.2 bed isn't really correct.)

I believe you are confusing that it has been stated that post processing material using Dolby Surround, the new upmixer for legacy content (2.0, 5.1 and 7.1) won't use wides... Atmos most certainly will.
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I'm not sure where you heard that... it's not true (and describing the output as a 9.2.2 bed isn't really correct.)

I believe you are confusing that it has been stated that post processing material using Dolby Surround, the new upmixer for legacy content (2.0, 5.1 and 7.1) won't use wides... Atmos most certainly will.
Well, that's how Onkyo advertises it? And yes, that could be me getting confused with the new up-mixer? Will all the new Atmos compatible receivers get Dolby Surround through a firmware up-date?


I still hope we get specifically designed on-wall speakers though! Has anybody heard anything from KEF, regarding Atmos?
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Well, that's how Onkyo advertises it? And yes, that could be me getting confused with the new up-mixer? Will all the new Atmos compatible receivers get Dolby Surround through a firmware up-date?
Onkyo is describing a speaker configuration, not the audio payload.

You can expect the upmixer with the Atmos FW...
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I heard that a 9.2.2 channel bed won't be possible? Is that true? So then tell me? Why is Onkyo advertising it that way? And what is the use of 32 channel receivers coming out from trinnov, with their soon to release altitude 32?
Let's not confuse channels with speakers. Aside from audio objects, Atmos soundtracks can contain up to 9.1 channels: L/C/R, 2 sides, 2 rears, 2 heights, and LFE.

Since Atmos soundtracks don't contain wide channels, those speakers won't get channel information. However, all speakers (including wides) will get object audio.

What Onkyo is advertising is one possible speaker configuration. Don't confuse that with channels.

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I won't speak for Ralph but I preferred the ceiling speakers.
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The room in NYC was painfully loud during the ST demo and annoyingly loud with the others. It may be industry standard but too loud nonetheless.
As the ST scene was playing I controlled the volume by inserting my index finger into my right ear and moved it in and out accordingly.
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As the ST scene was playing I controlled the volume by inserting my index finger into my right ear and moved it in and out accordingly.
Did anyone complain (in a constructive way) to Dolby that this demo was painfully loud and not helping their cause?

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Yes, but I think it fell on deaf ears!
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