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Four New Movies in Dolby Vision HDR



Dolby Vision is the most exciting thing to happen to commercial cinema since—well, Dolby Atmos. Four new titles are due out this year.

Following the first three movies released in Dolby Vision high dynamic range—Tomorrowland, San Andreas, and Inside Out—four new titles were announced today: Pixels from Sony Pictures (July 24), Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation from Paramount (July 31), Everest from Universal (September), and The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 2 from Lionsgate (November 20). Not only that, Fox announced plans to deliver its first slate of Dolby Vision movies, but no titles or dates were revealed.

As most AVS members know, Dolby Vision is a new format that encodes native-HDR content and displays it in HDR using laser-illuminated projectors in special theaters called Dolby Cinemas. These theaters also include Dolby Atmos immersive sound and stadium seating for what is billed as the ultimate cinema experience—and from my own direct experience, I have to agree.

Unfortunately, there are very few Dolby Cinemas in operation as of now—five in the US and a few in Europe; for a complete list of current and upcoming venues, click here. If you live near any of them, I strongly encourage you to see these particular movies in that theater—it's a far better experience than any conventional digital-cinema presentation.

Note that Dolby Cinemas also show movies graded in standard dynamic range, so don't expect those to look as good as titles actually graded in Dolby Vision.

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Unfortunately, there are very few Dolby Cinemas in operation as of now—five in the US and a few in Europe; for a complete list of current and upcoming venues, click here. If you live near any of them, I strongly encourage you to see these particular movies in that theater—it's a far better experience than any conventional digital-cinema presentation.

I've pretty much given up on going to theaters, but I may have to check this out. The Hollywood and Burbank theaters are in range...it must be worth it, for these kind of glowing reviews.
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I've pretty much given up on going to theaters, but I may have to check this out. The Hollywood and Burbank theaters are in range...it must be worth it, for these kind of glowing reviews.
Shoot for the AMC in Burbank. Much better presentation and comfort than the El Capitan in Hollywood. Though that place is nice to check out for historical interest, the A/V is better at the Prime and so are the seats.

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Dolby Vision is the most exciting thing to happen to commercial cinema since—well, Dolby Atmos. Four new titles are due out this year.
Dolby Atmos was exciting for very few people (most of us hear). My Wife and Kids could careless and I do not think they would notice for the few times something flys over head.

Dolby Vision will be exciting to most people because it's there in your face. I really hope Dolby Vision takes off and becomes wide spread. They really need to do this before HDR becomes mainstream at home. Most AVS members have on par or better audio at home and a big screen is available if you have the space. Source content is rare for HDR so I will pay to see it on the big screen. I just wish I had a close option.
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Does this mean there will be a UHD HDR blu-ray version of these movies available?
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Does this mean there will be a UHD HDR blu-ray version of these movies available?
20th Century Fox Home Video said that they plan to support HDR for their new release movies on UHD Blu-ray. They have not said what they plan to do (with HDR) on catalog titles but some are going to be available in HDR.
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Shoot for the AMC in Burbank. Much better presentation and comfort than the El Capitan in Hollywood. Though that place is nice to check out for historical interest, the A/V is better at the Prime and so are the seats.
I couldn't agree more! Also, the AMC Burbank 16 Prime is less expensive than the El Capitan, at least for good seats.

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Till Dolby Vision HDR, and well, Dolby Atmos, gain more presence in our own home theaters @ home...the world will keep spinning round and round only for the very few fortunate ones.

One, as you mentioned Scott, the need for more expansion and solid foot tracking in accessibility, in software, in streaming, in physical discs, gear @ home, more HDR theaters across the globe, not only around Beverly Hills, ...all that movie jazz don't mean much @ all for 99.999% of the general population.

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I couldn't agree more! Also, the AMC Burbank 16 Prime is less expensive than the El Capitan, at least for good seats.
Good point! Almost forgot about that huge price at El Capitan.

I went there to see Tomorrowland and I'm glad I went but will probably not go there again. At least, not if I can avoid it. Wow! $28 for a ticket. Yikes!

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Dolby Vision will be exciting to most people because it's there in your face.
It's not that dramatic with most material.

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When HDR comes to NYC I will travel up to see it as there are none in Philly. Gee, we still don't have Atmos. I would love to see the new MI flick in HDR.

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It's not that dramatic with most material.
For me, it was very dramatic with Tomorrowland, but not as much with Inside Out...strange. I will certainly see all four of these movies in DV to see how dramatic it is across more titles.

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For me, it was very dramatic with Tomorrowland, but not as much with Inside Out...strange. I will certainly see all four of these movies in DV to see how dramatic it is across more titles.
Funny. The group of us that went to see Tomorrowland came out scratching our heads afterwards. We all agree that the picture was really good but "dramatic" was not a description either of us used. Lot's of "I don't know" and "Not sure" in there along with "could have just been cuz it's laser".

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Does this mean there will be a UHD HDR blu-ray version of these movies available?
Virtually all new 4K U-Ray releases will be graded for HDR. While DV should be an improvement in theaters, it should actually look better at home. Even with these new laser projector they can not hit the black levels and peak white levels of a full fledged FALD at 1000+ nits. Also, they would have to be regraded for U-Ray and would look different depending on how aggressive the color grading process. The most interesting piece of news is FOX confirming they will be releasing DV movies for the theater as well. Seems like like most major studios are on board with DV, so I would expect many U-Ray titles to include the base SMPTE HDR 10 and the DV option as well.
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For me, it was very dramatic with Tomorrowland, but not as much with Inside Out...strange.
Not so strange, considering how much other technologies (e.g., Atmos) vary from movie to movie. I've seen dramatic SDR vs HDR comparisons on flat panel displays, but Tomorrowland on the big screen just looked like what I'm used to seeing on a good plasma TV. I'm not complaining, since it is better than what I see in the other 99.9% of movie theatres, but it wasn't some 'in your face, never seen before' image. Maybe sytech's post above explains why.

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So this announcement is only for Theatrical Dolby Vision, which is the same thing as (~100nit) SDR UHD for home consumption.

Any announcements on a home version of these movies with content regraded from the theatrical to the much more advertised and higher brightness levels of home HDR (1,000 nits and beyond)?
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Good point! Almost forgot about that huge price at El Capitan.

I went there to see Tomorrowland and I'm glad I went but will probably not go there again. At least, not if I can avoid it. Wow! $28 for a ticket. Yikes!
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Actually, the El Cap provides four hours of parking validation for the Hollywood & Highland complex across the street, which makes it very cheap if you don't dawdle for hours beyond the movie.

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Actually, the El Cap provides four hours of parking validation for the Hollywood & Highland complex across the street, which makes it very cheap if you don't dawdle for hours beyond the movie.

I'll be staying with family in Hollywood this weekend. Wished they were showing something I'd be really interested in seeing.

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I wonder if I will be able to see one of those HDR movies before needing cataract surgery... (I'm in my early 40')

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Good point! Almost forgot about that huge price at El Capitan.

I went there to see Tomorrowland and I'm glad I went but will probably not go there again. At least, not if I can avoid it. Wow! $28 for a ticket. Yikes!
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So this announcement is only for Theatrical Dolby Vision, which is the same thing as (~100nit) SDR UHD for home consumption.

Any announcements on a home version of these movies with content regraded from the theatrical to the much more advertised and higher brightness levels of home HDR (1,000 nits and beyond)?
I thought theater Dolby Vision is 10,000 nits.
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They can't hit that number. They've managed to double up from 50nits to ~100nits though in the cinemas. Of course us home users are already used to 100nits but have only had HD limitations for color/depth/resolution. Makes it kind of confusing since currently theater HDR is actually the same Dynamic Range as SDR at home.

If they took a UHD bluray and put the theater HDR print on it it would be 100 nit. What they are supposed to be doing is modifying the theatrical release and regrading the content to a much higher brightness (~1,000 nit) and then branding that as HDR on our blurays. The SDR blus will still be 100 nits though. The nomenclature being the same for both home\theater just adds to the confusion.

10,000 nits is the stated objective for the distant future for DV.

edit: what's still unclear about the home version regrading process is whether they will be upping the brightness overall, or whether they will keep most of the scenes relatively the same but exaggerate the spectral highlites with the extra brightness to create a certain type of effect. I'm hoping we get the option for a theater version of the HDR presentation that gets marketed to us as UHD SDR Blu, or that the disc can downconvert to the theatrical presentation.

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I'm really wondering why AMC bothered to put the Dolby Cinema at their Town Center 20 theater in Leawood, KS. It wasn't ready until the day Inside Out opened, but they did not use it for that, instead opting to have Jurassic World there. Now the next movie with HDR comes out with Pixels and again they are not showing it (Ant-Man is in there, which at least has Atmos). What is even more bizarre is that they did not have Inside Out at all, and don't appear to have Pixels showing at all either.

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I'm really wondering why AMC bothered to put the Dolby Cinema at their Town Center 20 theater in Leawood, KS. It wasn't ready until the day Inside Out opened, but they did not use it for that, instead opting to have Jurassic World there. Now the next movie with HDR comes out with Pixels and again they are not showing it (Ant-Man is in there, which at least has Atmos). What is even more bizarre is that they did not have Inside Out at all, and don't appear to have Pixels showing at all either.
That's bizarre, for sure! I'd complain to the theater if I lived in that area.

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When HDR comes to NYC I will travel up to see it as there are none in Philly. Gee, we still don't have Atmos. I would love to see the new MI flick in HDR.
AMC 25 in Time Square has a Dolby Cinema. I called and they told me its finished however I can't confirm because I haven't see it w/ my own eyes (yet). Hopefully Mission Impossible will play there.
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20th Century Fox Home Video said that they plan to support HDR for their new release movies on UHD Blu-ray. They have not said what they plan to do (with HDR) on catalog titles but some are going to be available in HDR.
Don't leave out M-GO, Amazon and Netflix, there offering HDR by years end or sooner, you can leave out disk.

And the payoff is never certain: Some observers contend that a generation has already been trained to be content with the small screen.
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That's bizarre, for sure! I'd complain to the theater if I lived in that area.
Theater manager is, _______ (fill in the blank). Under licensing agreements with Dolby, AMC has to show HDR releases for not less than 30 days at a Dolby Cinema/AMC prime. If no HDR is currently out, AMC can use the screen to book whatever they want. Local managers do not know this, and that is an issue AMC is addressing, as these are still small in number.

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