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post #1 of 50 Old 09-07-2015, 07:56 PM - Thread Starter
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New Projectors from Sony and JVC at IFA



Most have HDR capabilities and wide color gamuts, but details are pretty sparse. We will probably see the US versions at CEDIA next month.

At IFA (Internationale Funkausstellung, or International Radio Exhibition) in Berlin last week, Sony and JVC announced new home-theater projectors for the European market. Many industry watchers believe this foreshadows similar announcements at the CEDIA (Custom Electronics Design and Installation Association) Expo next month in Dallas, TX, though the model numbers will probably be slightly different than those introduced in Germany.

Like their immediate predecessors, the new VPL-VW520ES (pictured above) and VW320ES from Sony provide true 4K resolution (4096x2160) using SXRD (Silicon X-tal Reflective Display) technology, which is Sony's version of LCoS (liquid crystal on silicon). But what's really exciting is that the VPL-VW520ES is compatible with HDR (high dynamic range) content via its HDMI 2.0a input that implements HDCP 2.2. The press release specifies that the projector can accommodate signals up to 4K at 60p with 4:2:0 color subsampling and 8-bit resolution, which cannot be considered HDR-capable. But according to ProjectorReviews.com, a Sony rep said that was a misprint, and the projector can support up to 2160p/60 at 10-bit resolution, which means the HDMI port is operating at 18 Gbps and can support HDR signals.

Sony claims the new models can display a wider color gamut than BT.709, but that gamut was not specified—hopefully, it's close to P3, which is the gamut that will likely be used on many if not most Ultra HD Blu-ray releases. They also have slightly increased light output from much more powerful lamps.

JVC announced three new European models, the DLA-X5000, X7000, and X9000, which will sell for 4500, 6500, and 10,000 Euros, respectively. All three still use 1080p LCoS panels and JVC's eShift technology, which quickly shifts the pixels back and forth between two positions to simulate 2160p resolution. On the plus side, they all have HDMI 2.0a inputs with HDCP 2.2 that operate at 18 Gbps and will be able to accept HDR signals and display a wide color gamut, though I could find no details about these features. And their rated light output has been increased from 1300 lumens to 1700, 1800, and 1900 lumens, respectively.


The JVC DLA-X5000 is one of three new models announced at IFA last week.

We will undoubtedly see the US counterparts of these projectors at CEDIA, and I will be seeking out as much specific information as I can about their HDR and WCG capabilities. And perhaps other companies will introduce new projectors with true UHD resolution as well as HDR and WCG. I think CEDIA is going to be very interesting this year!

BTW, there's a long, lively AVS thread on the new projectors here, including some hands-on experience; check it out!

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Interesting.
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I wonder if Sony plans on continuing their support in upgrading their VPL VW1000/1100 ES projectors but for HDR this time. I hope they do even even if the cost might be a good chunk of pocket change.
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These are exciting developments - but I'll be getting 1080p projector still for my room in the next few months. Prices are still a little too high.

Though the latest goings-on show a lot of promise of upgrading in 5 or so years for under $3000 to a nice 4K HDR projector!
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Great industry news. Although I hope my VPL-VW1100ES won't become obsolete yet.

I'm not sure I understand, however, why Sony is making 4096x2160 panels (DCI Cinema) instead of 3840x2160 (UHD) ones for their home projectors? The UHD Blu-ray standard does not support the DCI Cinema resolution and there are no other high-quality sources available to us in 4096x2160 resolution. Or, are there?....
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If you are a gamer, get the Sony PJ.

I played PS4 on a friend's JVC X55. The input lag was AWFUL, I think someone tested it to be around 125 ms. My friend is a huge gamer and he said if it were possible, he'd return it but it's too late.
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But where are the reasonably priced 4k laser projectors? these offering are useless to me they will burn out faster than usual with the HDR and you have to calibrate more often. I was expecting new 4k laser projectors from all companies this time around! quite disappointed with this meagre offerings !
Will not buy nothing until I see 4k laser projector with HDR with all the latest tech, for $5000 this I think is a fair price we are not all wealthy.
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I thought I would be waiting for a UHD 4K PJ under $4,000 before upgrading my theater. But based on this, it instead looks like the thing holding that up will be UHD players that support all the new audio formats without hassle, and actually plays all the new releases without obscene load times, firmware updates, or other insufferable user aggravations...
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I wonder if Sony plans on continuing their support in upgrading their VPL VW1000/1100 ES projectors but for HDR this time. I hope they do even even if the cost might be a good chunk of pocket change.
It would be nice, especially if the rumored 1200 is in the same exact form factor of the current 1100...but it depends how much is changed. If it's logic board and hdmi chip sets, possibly yes. But new light source and new panels would greatly depend on how modular the original design was to swap new components into the exciting space.

I thought I read the current panels are actually 12 bit in the 1100. If true, then a logic board/processing upgrade to the pipeline feeding the panels, along with 18 gbps chips on the board seems possible.

The 1000>1100 upgrade package was largely a waste, hopefully they will do the right thing this time
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Nice to see these yearly incremental upgrades, like others I've set a price point ($5k for me) for my 1080p to 4k/UHD/HDR/P3 color/etc PJ upgrade path.
Best guess is early 2017 from the trend I'm seeing here.
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If jvc x7000 can manage at least 1100 calibrated lumens and makes their 3d as good as or better than sony's the x7000 might be for me. Poor 3d and low lumens made me discount jvc in the past but perhaps the boosted lumens and thx 3d will fix these issues.
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Still no 4K JVC projectors? What's the deal with that? Couldn't you even use the same size pixels, switch up your lenses, and still get a 4K image? Granted there be could be other restrictive issues but it seems like there could be a work-around of some sort. I mean, it's not like e-shift is a perfect substitute without trade-offs or anything.

And when does the damn DLP 4K "ban" get lifted?
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Do these all have 3D???
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I seriously wonder if there will be any 1080p120 units on the market anytime soon. HDMI2.0 should be more than able to support it but somehow no one seems to care about it.
My HW50 is still going strong and with a custom BT1886 gamma curve looks gorgeous for anything gaming but 120hz would be compelling. I was hoping for the HW65 but the spec sheet only shows a measly 1080p60 again.
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yay its nice to hear such information. ^_^

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I REALLY want a fully featured 4K projector (DLP!) so I'm waiting it out a few years. Been through so many changes the last ten years to buy something that already appears to be not ready for prime time. Good time right now to pick up a 1080p unit.
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The Sony is gorgeous! Great industrial design, but too rich for my blood!
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It is a good article to read


I use to change projectors every two or three years.
It was easy when moving from 720i to 720P, then 720P to 1080i and ...


My JVC X30/RS45 is my current one.
I should point out, that I love certain brands but always keep an open eye for something better from a different brand


Part of me want to change for the better.
All these little change done so far would require me to get the help of a real ISF technician.


I am an Audio persons, when it come to picture.
I just know what look good and what doesn't, so I could not do all the small tweaks required with those new projectors.


It is nice to see that the technology keep moving on
But my biggest problem is until Software become more available, it is hard to spend a few thousand $ on a new projector.


Where is the Software and DTS-X?
Another big up-grade if you are into separate and matching speakers.


Not venting, just my position and sure many are doing like me.
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But where are the reasonably priced 4k laser projectors? these offering are useless to me they will burn out faster than usual with the HDR and you have to calibrate more often. I was expecting new 4k laser projectors from all companies this time around! quite disappointed with this meagre offerings !
Will not buy nothing until I see 4k laser projector with HDR with all the latest tech, for $5000 this I think is a fair price we are not all wealthy.
FYI. I believe Sony is claiming 6000 hours for their new lamps.

Why do you think HDR woukd shorten the lamp life more so then running a non-HRD projector in high?
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I am glad to see JVC still alive...after two years selling us the same model.
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As someone who still has a 60" SXRD advertised as "1080P" which actually is only 1080i (signal) "converted" to 1080p (resulting in a law suit) , I would seriously wait until its real specifications are *proven*... not *spoken*. That was 9 years ago and I'll still never buy another Sony.

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But where are the reasonably priced 4k laser projectors? these offering are useless to me they will burn out faster than usual with the HDR and you have to calibrate more often. I was expecting new 4k laser projectors from all companies this time around! quite disappointed with this meagre offerings !
Will not buy nothing until I see 4k laser projector with HDR with all the latest tech, for $5000 this I think is a fair price we are not all wealthy.
They're made in the factory next door to the Porsche dealer selling new 911s for $20,000.
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But where are the reasonably priced 4k laser projectors? these offering are useless to me they will burn out faster than usual with the HDR and you have to calibrate more often. I was expecting new 4k laser projectors from all companies this time around! quite disappointed with this meagre offerings !
Will not buy nothing until I see 4k laser projector with HDR with all the latest tech, for $5000 this I think is a fair price we are not all wealthy.
I don't think cutting edge tech for projectors is in your price range then.. It isn't in mine either, but I'm not expecting brand new lamp tech to be 5k on first gen. The early adopters always pay a much higher price.

Regardless it's good to see some HDR projectors in the ~10k price range. However it's everybody's first attempt, so I'll be waiting for 2nd or 3rd gen. Maybe we'll see laser tech being reasonably priced in a few years. However given that there are no 4k laser projectors, I'm thinking it's 3-5 years before it hits my media room, not 1-2. By then it might all be a mute point with 100"+ OLED panels. Or at least that's my dream..
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My plan is to get a 4K laser projector in 2017-18 at $3,000 street price, Thinking Epson at that point, until then I will spend more on vacation time.

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I would love to have that Sony but too expensive for me.
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When is JVC going to jump ship on E-Shift??? As amazing as the technology is, it is just a faux 4K imo......I'm sticking with my trusty-'ol RS20 until it gets buried (I call it my 'Cattle-Ack Escalade lol!)
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As most have already said, I am glad JVC announced something but I'm quite surprised and disappointed they don't have a top of the line true 4k unit. I really thought this would be the year they move e-shift to their entry level product only.


Now I'm afraid they'll follow their last few years pattern and we'll have these JVC for the next 2-3 years. True JVC 4k product in 2018?
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For the people considering buying HDR projectors, I certainly hope you have your home theater painted completely matte black or draped in black velvet. From what I have seen with theatrical installations, any stray light can destroy your black level thereby negating the benefit of one of these projectors. Also, don't sit your family in front of the screen with their bright, pastel summer clothes on. You may think I am kidding here, but I am totally serious. The clothing of the audience can bounce a lot of light back onto the screen.
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As most have already said, I am glad JVC announced something but I'm quite surprised and disappointed they don't have a top of the line true 4k unit. I really thought this would be the year they move e-shift to their entry level product only.


Now I'm afraid they'll follow their last few years pattern and we'll have these JVC for the next 2-3 years. True JVC 4k product in 2018?
Whatever reason they are dragging their lens on the ground, this year's models appear to be otherwise upgraded sufficiently that they could plop in 4k panels in this box next year, maybe a new processor, and they can finally join the party.

Maybe they also feel the 4k launch has been so dragged out, they want to hit the market when there is more critical mass? I doubt it, but it make no sense they are continuing with this e-schit technology....
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