One Dozen Dolby Atmos Ultra HD Blu-Ray Titles Arrive Tuesday - Page 2 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 56Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #31 of 113 Old 02-27-2016, 03:30 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
steve1971's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota.
Posts: 2,727
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 508 Post(s)
Liked: 439
You know after thinking long and hard about it I hope 4K Blu ray takes off because if it does that means more of a price drop on Blu ray titles. And that's a good thing for me. 4K means squat to me but if it helps lower the cost of some of my favorite Blu ray titles then hell I'm all for it's success.
Iggy SLO likes this.
steve1971 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #32 of 113 Old 02-27-2016, 03:39 PM
Member
 
azurisk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 181
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)
Liked: 36
Will the titles mastered in dolby vision use a hdr10 base layer? In other words will the players play the dv titles in hdr as the players do not support dolby vision.
azurisk is offline  
post #33 of 113 Old 02-27-2016, 04:03 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Molon_Labe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: State of Confusion
Posts: 2,964
Mentioned: 69 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2263 Post(s)
Liked: 2438
Quote:
Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post
I will need to research this HDFury.....

It would be best if the studios would just release ATMOS soundtracks on the BD as well as the UHD releases. They have been doing it up until now anyways.
I would prefer that as well because I rent more than I purchase. However, the initial trend seems to be pointing to UHD having more Atmos tracks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post
So let me see if I understand this correctly..

If my projector isn't a native 4K projector, I can do the following:
1. Purchase a Samsung UHD player(or whatever brand comes out next).
2. Purchase the HDFury
3. Hook the player up with HDFury in the loop.

Then I can play the 4K version of the movie and gain the ATMOS/DTSX sound?
Roger, that is affirmative.
Molon_Labe is offline  
 
post #34 of 113 Old 02-27-2016, 04:09 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
COACH2369's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 3,124
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 968 Post(s)
Liked: 802
Quote:
Originally Posted by Molon_Labe View Post
I would prefer that as well because I rent more than I purchase. However, the initial trend seems to be pointing to UHD having more Atmos tracks.



Roger, that is affirmative.
That is something I will definitely look into..
COACH2369 is offline  
post #35 of 113 Old 02-27-2016, 04:17 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
saprano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Bronx NY
Posts: 4,076
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 552 Post(s)
Liked: 547
Quote:
Originally Posted by healthnut View Post
I understood this to be disc dependent, but the player can sense via HDMI that the display is 1080p and downscale accordingly?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yes. It will detect that it's not 2.2 and downscale.

home theater addict
saprano is offline  
post #36 of 113 Old 02-28-2016, 12:53 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
ray0414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: michigan
Posts: 13,950
Mentioned: 224 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10180 Post(s)
Liked: 9165
I do not have a Dolby atmos system.


But I can tell you that the UHD movies encoded with dolby atmos sound GREAT!! I was very pleasantly surprised how awesome it sounds. Very clear and extremely punchy. My 3 dolby atmos titles sound better than all the rest I have.
ControlZ and Molon_Labe like this.

Last edited by ray0414; 02-28-2016 at 09:52 AM.
ray0414 is offline  
post #37 of 113 Old 02-28-2016, 06:57 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: UK
Posts: 342
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 259 Post(s)
Liked: 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by Molon_Labe View Post
Have you made the jump to Atmos/DTS:X yet? I enjoy the audio enough to purchase the UHD version if it has immersive audio.
Yes already running a 7.2.4 and find Atmos fantastic but I can get Atmos with a normal Blu-ray.
AdamAttewell is offline  
post #38 of 113 Old 02-28-2016, 07:01 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Monkey_Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: East Lansing, Michigan
Posts: 1,316
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 93 Post(s)
Liked: 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by styx rogan View Post
this could be the biggest BUST since 3D. Most people seeing no difference between blu rey and UHD
Doubtful. When Blu ray first rolled out, the first transfers were terrible and everyone was complaining Blu ray wasn't much better than DVD. This is why HD DVD had the immediate edge because of superior transfers and compression codec. Currently, I think you would have a hard time finding folks in projection land stating DVD was hardly different looking from Blu ray. Give it a few years and UHD will be incredible once implemented properly like Blu ray.

Side note, since getting the JVC RS500 I'm totally addicted to 3D right now. I hated 3D on my previous JVC RS4910. I can't get over how awesome 3D looks now. Too bad 3D is on the decline like you noted due to poor home implantation/sales.

Personally I'm holding out until Oppo rolls out a UHD player to jump in with UHD.
olinda cat and mumps like this.

Last edited by Monkey_Man; 02-28-2016 at 07:06 AM.
Monkey_Man is offline  
post #39 of 113 Old 02-28-2016, 07:23 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
rezzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: The Matrix
Posts: 9,767
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 994 Post(s)
Liked: 754
I'll get in on this eventually, because that'll likely be it as far as physical media goes. 8 or 16k on a disc? Not likely to happen..
rezzy is offline  
post #40 of 113 Old 02-28-2016, 08:17 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 131
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 83 Post(s)
Liked: 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by styx rogan View Post
this could be the biggest BUST since 3d..most people seeing no difference tween rey and UHD blu rey
Plus that AACS 2.0 enhanced is scary, sorry the disc will not play your key has been revoked. Not gonna buy a disc that Hollywood can reach into my home and brick it.
Plus from what I read the HDR LCD sets have problems with clouding and flash-lighting and the incredible LG OLED sets are $5,000 - $8,000 wow!
Standard Blu-Ray is the way to go for now imho.
Woobieizer and steve1971 like this.
AlanAbby is offline  
post #41 of 113 Old 02-28-2016, 09:56 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
steve1971's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota.
Posts: 2,727
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 508 Post(s)
Liked: 439
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanAbby View Post
Plus that AACS 2.0 enhanced is scary, sorry the disc will not play your key has been revoked. Not gonna buy a disc that Hollywood can reach into my home and brick it.
Plus from what I read the HDR LCD sets have problems with clouding and flash-lighting and the incredible LG OLED sets are $5,000 - $8,000 wow!
Standard Blu-Ray is the way to go for now imho.

Agreed on all points!
Woobieizer and AlanAbby like this.
steve1971 is offline  
post #42 of 113 Old 02-28-2016, 12:57 PM
Advanced Member
 
seanbryan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Knowhere
Posts: 911
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 267 Post(s)
Liked: 165
Quote:
Originally Posted by azurisk View Post
Will the titles mastered in dolby vision use a hdr10 base layer? In other words will the players play the dv titles in hdr as the players do not support dolby vision.
For the UHD Blu-ray format, if a disc has HDR it MUST have hdr10. Content providers (and player manufacturers) are free to to add additional layers of proprietary HDR variants, like Dolby Vision, but everything must have HDR10 if it has HDR at all.

So for UHD discs that have Dolby Vision, yes they must also have regular HDR10.
seanbryan is online now  
post #43 of 113 Old 02-28-2016, 03:36 PM
Member
 
johnvnross's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 63
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)
Liked: 20
Avforums has a nice breakdown of the movies and their provenance:

https://www.avforums.com/article/a-g...-blu-ray.12353

Iggy SLO likes this.
johnvnross is offline  
post #44 of 113 Old 02-28-2016, 04:34 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Woobieizer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,627
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 479 Post(s)
Liked: 227
Atypical Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray Player

No one's enthusiasm should be quelled (I am serious: Joy to all that venture into UHD); yet the requirements for Optimum viewing are skipped/glossed over on the User Manual and Troubleshooting guides for this specific product listed in title.

This is just one product coming to stores/homes and the information I was actually searching for was not found. EULA, TOS, Privacy Statements. < That's linked to EFF. Concerning the required network connection one will need to obtain access to Enhanced Mode.

I have obtained the following screen caps from the user manual and online trouble shooting tips.

First a user will more than likely have to update the firmware, no biggie we are all helpful to the masses of people we support on their 1.5Mb DSL connections.

Second we are all familiar with the incomplete read between the lines statements for help guides half baked:



omitted AACS 2.0 uhh... Don't you mean required:



Let us not forget the POWER USER'S lack of ability to NOT botch up all the key's they already have synced with the Authentication Servers, will be blitzed when you mash this button for 5 seconds.


Spoiler!

Last edited by Woobieizer; 06-17-2016 at 01:32 PM.
Woobieizer is offline  
post #45 of 113 Old 02-28-2016, 04:50 PM
Advanced Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 567
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 379 Post(s)
Liked: 78
Question:
If you have a 2014-15 4k with 2.0 ports and hdcp 2.2 will the Samsung 4k player p l aye true 4k or drop it to 1080p?

This may be the why some of us can't tell the difference between 1089p answer 2160p on the new 4k players.
ultraflexed is offline  
post #46 of 113 Old 02-28-2016, 06:24 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
David Susilo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Markham, Canada
Posts: 10,017
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 636 Post(s)
Liked: 593
Quote:
Originally Posted by styx rogan View Post
this could be the biggest BUST since 3d..most people seeing no difference tween rey and UHD blu rey
I've invited 29 of my clients to my HT and not a single one of them seeing no difference "tween rey and UHD blu rey"
MarkMul1 likes this.

follow my A/V tweets @davidsusilo
ISF, THX, CEDIA, Control4 & HAA certified
Reviewer for TED & WifiHifi Magazines
my (yet to be completed) BD list
my home theatre
David Susilo is offline  
post #47 of 113 Old 02-28-2016, 09:29 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Woobieizer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,627
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 479 Post(s)
Liked: 227
Thanks for making Styx Rogan Point crystal clear.

Quote:
Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post
I've invited 29 of my clients to my HT and not a single one of them seeing no difference "tween rey and UHD blu rey"


Quote:
Originally Posted by styx rogan View Post
this could be the biggest BUST since 3d..most people seeing no difference tween rey and UHD blu rey
Woobieizer is offline  
post #48 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 07:33 AM
Member
 
montybritton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 21
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 14
You don't need a 4K TV. The Samsung player has a 1080p resolution setting. Also the UHD blu rays have been coming with a standard blu ray as well.
montybritton is offline  
post #49 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 07:45 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Just finished setting up my 7.2.4 with marantz 7010 and marantz mm7025 2 channel. Sounded great so I called marantz to send there certified tech over to unlock my 7010. Pro calibration. OMG just watched mad Max and what a difference. Sounds amazing and super excited for more titles to come out.
miubhi is offline  
post #50 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 08:00 AM
Member
 
Wilson Laidlaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 90
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 61 Post(s)
Liked: 35
I wish the manufacturers would get their skates on and release some UHD players in Europe. My ancient Panasonic B-R player has died (maybe the boiler has packed up) and I don't want to buy a now obsolescent regular B-R player. I understand that Samsung and Panasonic are already taking orders in the USA but Europe seems to be the poor cousins at the moment. I would quite like to get a Sony model, as that will probably play SACD discs as well, which would be a bonus for me.

Wilson
Wilson Laidlaw is offline  
post #51 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 08:18 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
ray0414's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: michigan
Posts: 13,950
Mentioned: 224 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10180 Post(s)
Liked: 9165
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post
I've invited 29 of my clients to my HT and not a single one of them seeing no difference "tween rey and UHD blu rey"
Was this back when you had the previous production model or recently?
ray0414 is offline  
post #52 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 08:37 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
David Susilo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Markham, Canada
Posts: 10,017
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 636 Post(s)
Liked: 593
this is recent. In the last 2 weekends, actually, hence I've only got the chance to invite 29 of my clients so far. Prior to that, I was not allowed to showcase my system to the public even though they're my client. Regardless, my method is showing a scene using UHD BD, then immediately switch to regular BD playing the same scene. The most common reaction were "Wow!!". And I'm only using a 96" scope screen.

follow my A/V tweets @davidsusilo
ISF, THX, CEDIA, Control4 & HAA certified
Reviewer for TED & WifiHifi Magazines
my (yet to be completed) BD list
my home theatre
David Susilo is offline  
post #53 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 09:11 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Carlsbad, Ca.
Posts: 415
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 219 Post(s)
Liked: 104
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkey_Man View Post
Personally I'm holding out until Oppo rolls out a UHD player to jump in with UHD.
They better do it soon because I think a lot of people aren't going to spend $500 plus on a player that doesn't do UHD at this point in time. I grabbed the Samsung UHD player yesterday and watched The Martian "4k" on my new JS9000 last night. I also watched Lucy which is just blu-ray with the Samsung and it looked amazing too.
SoCalCyclist is offline  
post #54 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 09:24 AM
Senior Member
 
mry110's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 205
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 133 Post(s)
Liked: 52
Is Game of Thrones Season 5 UHD a misprint in the article? I can't find anything on the internet about a UHD release.
mry110 is offline  
post #55 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 11:17 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Kain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Dubai, UAE
Posts: 3,696
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1549 Post(s)
Liked: 477
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanbryan View Post
For the UHD Blu-ray format, if a disc has HDR it MUST have hdr10. Content providers (and player manufacturers) are free to to add additional layers of proprietary HDR variants, like Dolby Vision, but everything must have HDR10 if it has HDR at all.

So for UHD discs that have Dolby Vision, yes they must also have regular HDR10.
Is HDR10 a HDR format on its own or is it just a base for other proprietary HDR formats like Dolby Vision to build upon? If I have a display that is not Dolby Vision compatible but has HDR10, can I still view a Dolby Vision movie in HDR using HDR10? If yes, how much of a downgrade in the HDR experience will there be viewing a Dolby Vision movie in only HDR10 (if it is possible)?
Kain is offline  
post #56 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 11:54 AM
Advanced Member
 
RickyDeg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Sweden
Posts: 545
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 168 Post(s)
Liked: 184
Quote:
Originally Posted by SweRic View Post
Hmm. This is interesting. Need to find out what is available to me here in Sweden.
Både CDON och Discshop har redan lagt upp UHD BD titlar för köp och kommer fortsätta ta in fler. Annars kan du ju köpa via Amazon. UHD BD har inte någon regionskodning. Shoppa på!

| NAD M17 (a/v processor & DAC)
| NAD M27 (multichannel poweramp)
PMC Twenty5.23 (5.2 speaker system)
OPPO UDP-203 (uhd blu-ray player)
LG OLED65C7 (oled display)
Check out my AVSForum review of the NAD M17 & M27 Master Series
RickyDeg is online now  
post #57 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 12:20 PM
Member
 
zorg43x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 89
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 31 Post(s)
Liked: 11
I am very disappointed with ATMOS not present on regular Blu-Rays, the studios are saving it for the UHD BD. However, for example with Martian, there is neither version with ATMOS. This movie is excelent example of the UHD nonsense, having only 2K DI but put on 4K UHD BD, not even in 3D nor ATMOS. Very sad...
AaronMK likes this.
zorg43x is offline  
post #58 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 12:41 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
film113's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,299
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 341 Post(s)
Liked: 215
Quote:
Originally Posted by zorg43x View Post
I am very disappointed with ATMOS not present on regular Blu-Rays, the studios are saving it for the UHD BD. However, for example with Martian, there is neither version with ATMOS. This movie is excelent example of the UHD nonsense, having only 2K DI but put on 4K UHD BD, not even in 3D nor ATMOS. Very sad...
Huh? While it's not the case with THE MARTIAN, there are dozens of regular (and 3D) titles with Atmos.(Including next week's IN THE HEART OF THE SEA).
film113 is offline  
post #59 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 01:07 PM
Member
 
zorg43x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 89
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 31 Post(s)
Liked: 11
One word: Hobbit... and dozens of others Some studios claimed, they won't release no new BD Atmos title as they saving it for UHD. And with the Martian it is really a pitty, exactly with this movie. I hope there's another edition in the future like for Gravity was.
zorg43x is offline  
post #60 of 113 Old 02-29-2016, 02:54 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
dmusoke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Lowell, MA
Posts: 2,943
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 388 Post(s)
Liked: 192
I got a 60ft Redmere cable back in '08 or so. Will it be compatible with 4K UHD streams?
David Susilo likes this.

How to phase match subwoofers to the mains speakers: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post19542630
dmusoke is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Latest Industry News

Tags
dolby atmos , mark henninger , ultra hd blu-ray

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off