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Monoprice Monolith Amplifiers and 15" Subwoofer at CEDIA 2016

This was an exhilarating CEDIA 2016 for fans of Monoprice. The company originally known for its affordable cables continues to expand its catalog of aggressively priced AV offerings with the introduction of several new amps in its Monolith line. Additionally, I spotted a subwoofer at the show that should be of immense interest to AVS Forum bassaholics.

Actually, let's start with the sub. It's hard to ignore the 15" driver that's stamped with the TC Sounds logo. For those in the know, TC sounds made some of the most-revered subwoofer drivers, the LMS series, that were a favorite of AVS Forum DIYers seeking maximum performance.

The sub seen at the show was a prototype and therefore did not yet have a price attached to it. However, since it's a Monoprice product, there's a good chance it's price/performance ratio will be quite high.

Take one look at the sub and you know it means business. Glance at the specs and you'll understand why the fine folks from Monoprice almost knocked their booth down when they turned it up. We're talking about 1200 watts of amplification pushing a 15-inch LMS-R driver to produce a CEA 2010 max burst output of 122 dB at 20 Hz, measured from 2 meters. If that number proves to be accurate with production models, that's a completely absurd (indeed, practically unprecedented) amount of bass.


Depending on how it's priced, this could turn out to be one mighty disruptive subwoofer.

I'll follow up with a separate article about this subwoofer when more information becomes available, such as pricing and availability.

Now, let's get to the amps. Monoprice introduced the Monolith line at CES 2016 with the Monolith 7 ($1500), a seven-channel amplifier that I reviewed here. At CEDIA 2016, the company has fleshed out the line by adding the Monolith 2, 3, and 5 amplifiers to the lineup.

As hinted by the model names, the Monolith 2 ($1000) offers two channels of 200-watt (into 8 ohms) of amplification, the 3 ($1100) has three 200-watt channels, and the 5 ($1300) has five 200-watt channels to work with.

These new amplifier models will be available soon, and since they are essentially the same as the Monolith 7 (aside from the channel count), I already know that they will sound excellent.

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Hey Mark - thanks for the update. Were there any dimensions listed for this beast?

*Edit* - just to clarify I'm asking about the subwoofer not the amps. Thanks

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Hey Mark - thanks for the update. Were there any dimensions listed for this beast?
There were no dimensions listed, but you can get some idea from the size of the driver. It's deep too (think SVS).

They tossed out around $1,500.00 as the projected price range.


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That's a nice looking sub. Be interested in a review of it when it comes out. Hopefully Ricci can get his hands on it for some testing.
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If thats really and LMS-r 15" in there, thats pretty awesome for monoprice! Hell, I'm all about DIY but I'd even buy one just to play with!!
It's nice to see some lower cost amps from them to compete with emotiva and outlaw. Though I'm not in the market for a boat anchor amp, they do have their place.

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If thats really and LMS-r 15" in there, thats pretty awesome for monoprice! Hell, I'm all about DIY but I'd even buy one just to play with!!
It's nice to see some lower cost amps from them to compete with emotiva and outlaw. Though I'm not in the market for a boat anchor amp, they do have their place.
Monoprice even had a real Thilo Stompler at the booth

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Monoprice even had a real Thule Stompler at the booth
lol, I'm curious if the driver is possibly a lower end version of the lms-r made especially for monoprice... thats what I meant. monoprice isn't really known for the highest quality stuff and IMO, it seems weird that they would just drop a 500$ driver in a sub... Although of course the wholesale of the driver, since its China line produced would be less than half that... so I dunno.
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Hey Mark - thanks for the update. Were there any dimensions listed for this beast?
There were no dimensions listed, but you can get some idea from the size of the driver. It's deep too (think SVS).

They tossed out around $1,500.00 as the projected price range.


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$1,500? how is that going to compare to a 1,200 rythmik beast. I think monoprice have great deals on cables...but when it comes to audio and video equipment they are not that cheap and dont offer a lot for the money.
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$1,500? how is that going to compare to a 1,200 rythmik beast. I think monoprice have great deals on cables...but when it comes to audio and video equipment they are not that cheap and dont offer a lot for the money.
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$1,500? how is that going to compare to a 1,200 rythmik beast. I think monoprice have great deals on cables...but when it comes to audio and video equipment they are not that cheap and dont offer a lot for the money.
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122 dB at 20 Hz
If it can actually do that it would be seriously impressive

just look at the list of what comes in around 120 dB at 20Hz

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=s...rt=desc&mfr=-1


I have my doubts, and FWIW it would be a full 14 dB higher then the Rythmik according to DB

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If it can actually do that it would be seriously impressive

just look at the list of what comes in around 120 dB at 20Hz

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=s...rt=desc&mfr=-1


I have my doubts, and FWIW it would be a full 14 dB higher then the Rhythmic according to DB

If the sound and price is just as good, then this will be a serious ID game changer.
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just look at the list of what comes in around 120 dB at 20Hz

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=s...rt=desc&mfr=-1

I have my doubts, and FWIW it would be a full 14 dB higher then the Rythmik according to DB
"doubts"? You're being too kind Adam. I think we can go right to a word that has to do with a bull and fecal matter...

120dB @ 20Hz is more than a Cap4000 can muster. For sure, Josh needs to get one of these.
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"doubts"? You're being too kind Adam. (it actually looks closer to a 12dB spread, but either way it's not realistic)

120dB @ 20Hz is more than a Cap4000 can muster. I think we can go right to a word that has to do with a bull and fecal matter...

For sure, Josh needs to get one of these.
OK, granted 122 dB looks like a typo, but so you know, I just sent a message noting that you made this comment. I want to see what Thilo has to say in response to you. Let the games begin.

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OK, granted 122 dB looks like a typo, but so you know, I just sent a message noting that you made this comment. I want to see what Thilo has to say in response to you. Let the games begin.
Games indeed.

Make sure Josh gets one. That way we'll find out exactly how bad the typo was.
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Games indeed.

Make sure Josh gets one. That way we'll find out exactly how bad the typo was.
I have better things to do than lobby for subwoofers to be sent to some other website. And yeah, actually Thilo was lobbying to have the sub sent to data-bass.

Oh and here's the response... "Thilo said he did. I told him that spec would be challenged, and he said that's what he measured. But he also said to be "safe" I can put 120db...which is still nuts."

So Jim, I guess you call BS because hey anyone can do that in a forum, reviewer or not. And I say hey, you can't back that up since you were not there. But I do understand you are "Mr. Subwoofer."

Any chance you wanna give the benefit of the doubt here, or do you want to stick with your "it's BS" stance?

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Can you really get 122@20 with 1200w amp. Is that physically possible?
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I have better things to do than lobby for subwoofers to be sent to some other website. And yeah, actually Thilo was lobbying to have the sub sent to data-bass.

Oh and here's the response... "Thilo said he did. I told him that spec would be challenged, and he said that's what he measured. But he also said to be "safe" I can put 120db...which is still nuts."

So Jim, I guess you call BS because hey anyone can do that in a forum, reviewer or not. And I say hey, you can't back that up since you were not there. But I do understand you are "Mr. Subwoofer."

Any chance you wanna give the benefit of the doubt here, or do you want to stick with your "it's BS" stance?
I'm not questioning whether Thilo said that to you, what's in dispute is the validity of the statement from a general sense. Regardless, I'm standing pat.

To exceed what an FV15HP can provide at 20Hz by even 3dB would be pretty remarkable, but to suggest it's been eclipsed by almost 5 times that amount is simply not realistic. The quoted number would put it above the JTR with its dual 18's, 4000 watts and refrigerator sized cabinet. Not sure there's anyone whose BS meter isn't pegged by such a statement.

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The numbers are bunk, a 15" in a ported box with 1200w has no chance of hitting 120db at 2 meters ground plane.
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I'm not questioning whether Thilo said that to you, what's in dispute is the validity of the statement from a general sense. Regardless, I'm standing pat.

To exceed what an FV15HP can provide at 20Hz by even 3dB would be pretty remarkable, but to suggest it's been eclipsed by almost 5 times that amount is simply not realistic. The quoted number would put it above the JTR with its dual 18's, 4000 watts and refrigerator sized cabinet. Not sure there's anyone whose BS meter isn't pegged by such a statement.
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The numbers are bunk, a 15" in a ported box with 1200w has no chance of hitting 120db at 2 meters ground plane.
Hey, you guys know the deal. My job is to get the conversation started. Thilo wants it sent to data-bass, gotta wonder what the deal is here.

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Hey, you guys know the deal. My job is to get the conversation started.
It's great to see he has product again, hopefully we see some of the drivers for sale by themselves again at some point, any info on that?
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I heard that's under consideration.

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lol, I'm curious if the driver is possibly a lower end version of the lms-r made especially for monoprice... thats what I meant. monoprice isn't really known for the highest quality stuff and IMO, it seems weird that they would just drop a 500$ driver in a sub... Although of course the wholesale of the driver, since its China line produced would be less than half that... so I dunno.
I've had dual 18" LMS's and 2 x 15" LMR-R's so if it's a legit version, thats really cool.
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My dual 18" LLT's did barely over 120dB@ 1m.
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I just box modelled a TC 18 in a 8cuft 20hz ported box. It does 120db @ 1m with 2.2kW.
To get to 120db @ 2m requires 13kW and some fairly advanced DSP settings, it doesn't bottom it out but I would expect the 18 to not last more than ~1 second @ 13kW

and that is a 20hz ported box, so you'd be missing all that nice <~17hz stuff too!!!

A TC 15 "might" be able to do 108db @ 2m @ 20hz @ 1.2kW
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I just box modelled a TC 18 in a 8cuft 20hz ported box. It does 120db @ 1m with 2.2kW.
To get to 120db @ 2m requires 13kW and some fairly advanced DSP settings, it doesn't bottom it out but I would expect the 18 to not last more than ~1 second @ 13kW

and that is a 20hz ported box, so you'd be missing all that nice <~17hz stuff too!!!

A TC 15 "might" be able to do 108db @ 2m @ 20hz @ 1.2kW
That's a fairly huge gap between Thilo's "just to be safe call it 119dB“ email I just read and what you guys either calculate or measure in your adventures in bass. It's fair to say I am curious how this discussion will evolve.
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The numbers are bunk, a 15" in a ported box with 1200w has no chance of hitting 120db at 2 meters ground plane.
This just in:
The measurement is 120dB/20hz at 2 meters....in car...with some natural inflation. Unfortunately, that sub and amp used in the making of getting those numbers are no longer operable.
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That's a fairly huge gap between Thilo's "just to be safe call it 119dB“ email I just read and what you guys either calculate or measure in your adventures in bass. It's fair to say I am curious how this discussion will evolve.
Have you taken a gander over to data-bass.com to look at what it takes from a driver/cab/amp to reach 120db at 20hz at 2 meters?
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Have you taken a gander over to data-bass.com to look at what it takes from a driver/cab/amp to reach 120db at 20hz at 2 meters?
Of course I have. That's why I find this to be a fascinating thread.

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Of course I have. That's why I find this to be a fascinating thread.
Just making sure. I can't tell if you're seriously expecting this sub to reach the stated figures. I sure hope not.
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