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LG ProBeam Laser Light Engine Projector HF80JA to be Unveiled at CES 2017

Here's an exciting new projector from LG. Sure, it's 1080p, but a laser light engine makes it very appealing for use as a living room and/or portable projector that does not require bulb maintenance. I'll certainly get a hands-on with it in two weeks when I go to CES. Here's my post: http://www.avsforum.com/lg-probeam-l...iled-ces-2017/

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It's about time they upgraded the PF1500. I really hope they make a short throw version.

Why has it been two years since anyone has created a new bulb-less projector in this price range? Am I missing something?
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1080p? Dead on arrival.
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1080p? Dead on arrival.
Perhaps for the purposes of a dedicated AVS forum home theater fanatic, sure... this is not going to trigger a 1080p renaissance. But, I wonder if you can say the same for a family looking to buy a low-maintenance portable projector that they can quickly set up anywhere and enjoy the big screen picture with built-in Netflix streaming and all that jazz. I think the price point will ultimately have a lot to do with whether it succeeds or fails. If it comes in at the price point of the PF1500, and picture quality is good, I don't see why it wouldn't enjoy some success in the market for bright, affordable projectors.
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1080p? Dead on arrival.
I'm sure it will be because of the glut of affordable 4K projectors out there.

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1080p? Dead on arrival.
We are still a long, long way away from 4k projectors becoming available at the price level of units such as this. Just take a look at the pricing of the projectors coming out now with TI's new 4k chip - even the cheapest ones will still cost many times what this little LG does.
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1080p? Dead on arrival.
Only for those who can sit close enough to see the difference, which doesn't apply to me nor I suspect a sizeable % of the market.
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Mark, I get "Oops, page not found"

Anyway, any idea of what the CR is?

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Mark, I get "Oops, page not found"

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Thank you for spotting that, link fixed.

I don't have specs but when I get 'em I'll post 'em.

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Judging by the size and specs it is most likely a laser-lit DLP which means contrast can expect to land around 1000:1-1500:1... unless something goes wrong enough to drop it closer to 700:1 or right enough to stretch near 1800:1.

I think most of these home laser models are either much larger laser+phospher LCD/LCoS units or the laser+LED hybrid models like Casio and a couple others. Even the strongest performing consumer laser DLP models seem to max-out their brightness around 1500lumens or less in settings that show accurate color/white-balance... Usually about 800lm or less for laser+LED hybrid models.

Unless this is a cool new thing (to the DLP consumer market) using independent RGB laser sources strobed instead of a laser+phospher+colorwheel or laser+LED/hybrid, I'd be worried it's a lesser version of the pf1500 except when the less accurate Dynamic preset can show its white-brightness advantage.

It'll be interesting to see which exact tech they decided to use and where the price lands..in addition to other unmentioned details like throw-distance options and 3D support. And of course the hope that it's native-1080p rather than simply "supports"-1080p (while downscaling to 720)..since I haven't seen that written for certain yet either and LG is still releasing 720 and wxga portable models.


I must admit with the word "laser" and the model having an "80" in there, I was kind of hoping LG was joining in the direct-laser fun along with Celluon/Sony when I clicked the thread link.
This is potentially cool too, but a 30,000:1+contrast pure laser unit capable of a good 120" image from LG would've been really cool.

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Only for those who can sit close enough to see the difference, which doesn't apply to me nor I suspect a sizeable % of the market.
I thought this nonsense was dispelled years ago. Everyone can see a difference (except you) and the difference gets more noticeable as the image size increases.
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Laser in such a compact unit, I wonder what kind of cooling they engineered for it. Man I would really love to see the full specs on this and how it compared to say other budget projectors both portable and non-portable.

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We are still a long, long way away from 4k projectors becoming available at the price level of units such as this. Just take a look at the pricing of the projectors coming out now with TI's new 4k chip - even the cheapest ones will still cost many times what this little LG does.
I looked at UHD projectors a few months back and saw some under $3K. I just looked again and didn't realize these projectors weren't actually UHD. Real UHD projectors start at around $10K. I guess you're right.
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This looks like a great solution for non videophiles who want a big bright picture in their living room without complicated set procedures. I install lots of affordable 1080 p projectors. I have been using benq 2050 lately. If this can come close to the benq and is under 1k i will seriously consider trying it in the right environment. IMO Most people who do not frequent this forum dont care about 4k or HDR. They just want a great picture with no hassels.
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Very interested to see if this is a definitive upgrade from my (much loved) pf1500 or if the final picture is similar or only a slight upgrade. Perhaps if the colors using laser approach rec2020 or at least past p3 with full 10 bit depth output, then that alone would make it a worthy upgrade until 2160p PJs come to the $1k range.

I don't necessarily need 2160p to be happy, I'd love to just get all the other UHD benefits. Maybe the laser will help give it some level of HDR?

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Glass lens would be nice, maybe even necessary with a laser light source.
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1080p? Dead on arrival.
Not so sure, looks like a super option, we have no TV and need a display source to stream things like Olympics and World Cup when at the cottage.

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I looked at UHD projectors a few months back and saw some under $3K. I just looked again and didn't realize these projectors weren't actually UHD. Real UHD projectors start at around $10K. I guess you're right.
None were dlp and the best of the shift pjs are the JVCs. Outside of the used market, I doubt there will be any shift pjs below $2k this year or next.

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i'm still looking for a second projector to make the theater 'everyday proof'. something to use for casual viewing, gaming, short viewing spurts, etc

hoping this has a decent lens and a little bit of lens shift would be nice(probably not though )

could care less about it being 4k or not. i mean, 4k without a high quality lens is pointless anyway, and i'm guessing this doesn't have a '4k worthy' lens.

i got my parents a pf1500, and it does the trick for them, but i really need some flexibility with the install to make it fit in the same hushbox as my jvc. and i would like the image to be in focus in more than 25% of the screen(doesn't seem like that's possible with my parents' one)

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Glass lens would be an excellent incentive. The Qumi 8 has a glass lens and 1080P, but no CMS capability.

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Glass lens would be nice, maybe even necessary with a laser light source.
Good plastic is better than cheap glass, good glass is better than cheap plastic...either way the highest quality optical components tend to increase the price a lot and this is likely to be in the inexpensive end of the spectrum.

Lensing and focus and chromatic aberration seem to be one of the weaker points for LG at least with their portables, so I wouldn't expect things to get too fancy in that regard.
The light-source doesn't make the lens materials any more or any less important. On the bright side this lets low priced units and high-end models alike able to use all manner of light-source and panel configurations (larger and more optically pure lenses and their larger and/or more numerous panels tend to control pricing more than the light-source).

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Good plastic is better than cheap glass, good glass is better than cheap plastic...either way the highest quality optical components tend to increase the price a lot and this is likely to be in the inexpensive end of the spectrum.

Lensing and focus and chromatic aberration seem to be one of the weaker points for LG at least with their portables, so I wouldn't expect things to get too fancy in that regard.
The light-source doesn't make the lens materials any more or any less important. On the bright side this lets low priced units and high-end models alike able to use all manner of light-source and panel configurations (larger and more optically pure lenses and their larger and/or more numerous panels tend to control pricing more than the light-source).
Got it. Well, an upgrade option would be nice. Screw in/out lens. Some would be happy with the basic, others happy to pay for more.
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I must admit that first I was a bit put-off by the 1080 specs. Maybe because I dont even have my first projector yet. Been doing some reviews so see the >15K price range as a starting point to get what I see as good entry point - to not spend money and only be partially satisified but saved a few dollars than spend what is needed and get the quality that satisifies. Does the display technology make a difference in video quality. Yeah, of course it does. Since its a laser engine would that not be an superb 1080p vs another technoloy that would be a sub par one. I bring this up because many of us know that in looking at new tv sets many of us would spend the money to get an HD(1080p) OLED than a different manuf 4K.

The HD OLED looks better than many 4K sets. Couldnt this also be a consideration when the Lg laser comes out. It is Lg after all. their processing engine may not be as comparable as sony's (to some folks) but they know how to make a satisfying picture. After all, my library is mostly 1080p(bluray) anyway and a lot of 720(Dvd).

With Lg behind it, lets hope that the picture sells it more than the specs. Im now interested - if the price is right.
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Got it. Well, an upgrade option would be nice. Screw in/out lens. Some would be happy with the basic, others happy to pay for more.
Something like that does sound like it would be pretty cool, but there will still be several important internal lenses/rod/prisms that would be tricky to swap. I also wonder how much risk there is for getting stay dust/hair inside with a lens swap.

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I must admit that first I was a bit put-off by the 1080 specs. Maybe because I dont even have my first projector yet. Been doing some reviews so see the >15K price range as a starting point to get what I see as good entry point - to not spend money and only be partially satisified but saved a few dollars than spend what is needed and get the quality that satisifies. Does the display technology make a difference in video quality. Yeah, of course it does. Since its a laser engine would that not be an superb 1080p vs another technoloy that would be a sub par one. I bring this up because many of us know that in looking at new tv sets many of us would spend the money to get an HD(1080p) OLED than a different manuf 4K.

The HD OLED looks better than many 4K sets. Couldnt this also be a consideration when the Lg laser comes out. It is Lg after all. their processing engine may not be as comparable as sony's (to some folks) but they know how to make a satisfying picture. After all, my library is mostly 1080p(bluray) anyway and a lot of 720(Dvd).

With Lg behind it, lets hope that the picture sells it more than the specs. Im now interested - if the price is right.
Did you mean $15k or $1500? If the former, then your options are pretty large.

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IMO Most people who do not frequent this forum dont care about 4k or HDR. They just want a great picture with no hassels.
You are very wrong on this.

Joe Public really like it when he leaves Costco with a 4K HDR tv or (eventually) projector.

Because even if Joe Public knows nothing about tech or quality, he really loves to tell his friends he got "the latest".
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You are very wrong on this.

Joe Public really like it when he leaves Costco with a 4K HDR tv or (eventually) projector.

Because even if Joe Public knows nothing about tech or quality, he really loves to tell his friends he got "the latest".
We are of course talking about projectors. Not 4k televisions at costco. Huge difference. I was not only wrong i was very wrong. Oh well it wont be the last time i am wrong.

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I actually think it's the other way around. The average consumer wants their next TV to be 4k because these days it's more common to find a new TV with 4k than one without it. All the Sunday ads, Christmas sales, Black Friday sales, etc are pushing it hard.

An AVS enthusiast would buy a great performing 1080p TV before a run of the mill 4k and then rationalize it by saying 90% of content is still 720/1080. The average Joe will look at that same 1080p and go "psssh, gimme the 4k."
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I thought this nonsense was dispelled years ago. Everyone can see a difference (except you) and the difference gets more noticeable as the image size increases.
Any statement about a matter of perception or preference that contains"everyone" can be immediately dismissed as nonsense.
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Any statement about a matter of perception or preference that contains"everyone" can be immediately dismissed as nonsense.
You're overlooking that he can see the difference on a 20" screen at 100 yards.
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