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Glad to help. I've been very happy with mine so far. Tip: If you want to DIY you'll need to be sure and get it from a dealer who will give you the software , some won't.

Scott -

Thanks.
Roger roger on software.

By DIY I meant potentially using an easier/inferior product, not necessarily the URC items you noted.

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By DIY I meant potentially using an easier/inferior product, not necessarily the URC items you noted.

Sorry, one mans DIY is another's get-a-pro . I was shifted one level up, figured you meant Crestron/RTI/Control4. The URC stuff isn't trivial to program I'll admit, but it isn't rocket science either. You need to be PC literate and have some time to play with it. And, yes a pro would likely be better at getting it setup and nifty. But there's lots of help avail on Remote Central if you are inclined and need it. And updating an initial config would be much easier.

I love being able to make my own graphics for it as well as the ability to program it with a PC. Here's a couple of main screens I made when I first had it. Played around and got my own graphic icons instead of text or the one's they supplied. Fun:







P.S. those extra parts went out today, you will have tomorrow.
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Sorry, one mans DIY is another's get-a-pro . I was shifted one level up, figured you meant Crestron/RTI/Control4. The URC stuff isn't trivial to program I'll admit, but it isn't rocket science either. You need to be PC literate and have some time to play with it. And, yes a pro would likely be better at getting it setup and nifty. But there's lots of help avail on Remote Central if you are inclined and need it. And updating an initial config would be much easier.

I love being able to make my own graphics for it as well as the ability to program it with a PC. Here's a couple of main screens I made when I first had it. Played around and got my own graphic icons instead of text or the one's they supplied. Fun:







P.S. those extra parts went out today, you will have tomorrow.

Scott -

Good info and pics.
I'm smart (and techie) but short of time with job and kids.
You've seen/heard how long it takes me to install expensive gear that most people would be all over right away.

Thanks for sending out the parts.

I was hoping to (and still can) research the remote issue for a while, but I just got the Oppo 2nd EAP "300" email tonight.

So, options:
- sign up for EAP, no RS-232 mod
- don't sign up and possibly pay more for mainstream Oppo BDP-83 & pay for RS-232 mod



I'll sleep on it.

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PS - I won't post a I'm in the 2nd EAP message in the Oppo thread.
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I'm smart (and techie) but short of time with job and kids.
You've seen/heard how long it takes me to install expensive gear that most people would be all over right away.

I understand completely, NO one knows busy like me these days.
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The dropdown ceiling has a weird stud layout, so we didn't get the CineSlide up.
Need to have the carpenter out to look at.
Bummer.

I did stock up on gear at Home Depot.

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I'm starting to try some subwoofer calibration.

Rec: Denon 5308CI
BR: Sam P1500
DVD: Oppo 980
Main/Ctr: Rocket RS1000Sig/RSC200Sig
Surr: RSS300 dipole (side)/RS250MkII (rear)
Sub: SVS PB12-Ultra/2

I read Robroy Common Subwoofer Setup Errors link and used a Rives Audio Test CD2 with a Radio Shack digital SPL meter.

Looking rough so far...
(see graph in PDF file)

Crossover @ 80 Hz for all
Denon sub setting = THX Ultra2

Trials/measurements:
1 - LFE+Main, Main=large
2 - LFE-THX, Main=large
3 - LFE-THX, Main=small

All night/Audessey settings off.

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PS - I'm assembling some calibration links at this site.


*EDIT (4/19/09)*
I just read this on a thread:
"Rives Audio CD does not correct for the Radio Shack digital SPL meter" - ref

Hmm. I guess I should just use the Hometheatershack Excel workbook tables instead.
I also ordered a Galaxy Audio CM140 SPL meter.

 

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More measures after some tweaks.
I moved RS SPL meter to ear level on couch (instead of above ear level behind main listening area).


#1 - mains alone
(caveat: one powered woofer was unknowingly unplugged before trial #1 by my son).

Then I recalibrated 7 channels (shouldn't affect these measures, but they were off at listening position).

Per Bossobass recs (here) -- At 80 Hz I adjusted the sub alone and the mains (L/R) alone to 80 dB.

Trial #2 - sub + mains

I also looked at 20 - 20k Hz measure for RS850's (not shown, but...) -- not flat.

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PS - The Galaxy Audio CM140 SPL meter sounds interesting if for no other reason then not adjusting the dB range control on RS meter.

 

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This news:

"MPS-2...going, going...
We are down to a handful of MPS-2's, and they're going fast. They are also being discontinued, so anyone wanting an MPS-2 should act quickly."

about the Emotiva MPS-2 bummed me out.
200W/ch into 8 ohms, 300W/ch into 4 ohms
Class H

It is even on a 10% off sale.
Still, I don't think I really "need" it at this point -- usually the Denon has enough power for my current needs.

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I cross posted this on the Emotiva thread, but...

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Thanks for re-posting.

I looked up my receiver -- Denon 5308CI - 150W/ch x7.
It isn't specified if that is all channels drive or what.
Anyone know?

I think there is/was a thread at AVS or elsewhere (AV123?) titled something like "All Channels Driven" that compared various receivers.

Please post if you know it.
I'll do a little googling...

Mike

*EDIT*
AVS thread - link
Audioholics thread - link ???

I found this link (link) about the Denon 5308CI receiver with all channels driven...

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1 percent distortion at 146.1 watts
1 percent distortion at 184.6 watts

All channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1 percent distortion at 141.2 watts
1 percent distortion at 169.3 watts

So, do you think I would benefit from an Emotiva MPS-2 as an external amp?

I listen to music and HT (see signature link post #1 for HT equipment).
Usually with kids at sub 85 dB volumes but ocassionally at reference or higher levels.

I don't think things sound bad now, but just looking at potential upgrades.

Thanks.


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After discussions on thread at AVS/Emotiva and Emotiva/Amps, I'm wondering if the Emotiva XPA-3 might not be a better way to go.

A few people don't think the MPS-2 at 200W/ch will make any difference vs. the Denon 140W/ch.

the XPA-3 is also 200W/ch but could be used for the L/C/R channels only and is only $539 (on sale through Mon) vs. the $1529 for the MPS-2.
And a lot lighter weight (57 vs 115 pounds).



Emotiva XPA-3 product site
Emotiva XPA-3 Manual

I do need something to counterbalance my top heavy Middle Atlantic rollout/swivel rack anyway...



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I've been enjoying my XPA-5 since fall, although my system is no where near the level of your's.
It sounds like you have a very capable Denon, so I'm not really sure if you will notice a benefit or not. Worth a try? Sure, if you have the money, why not. Will it be a night a day change? I doubt it.
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I've been enjoying my XPA-5 since fall, although my system is no where near the level of your's.
It sounds like you have a very capable Denon, so I'm not really sure if you will notice a benefit or not. Worth a try? Sure, if you have the money, why not. Will it be a night a day change? I doubt it.

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Thanks.

The cable guy just left my house.
Replaced 2 cable boxes.
The DVR version is a new Samsung SMT-H3090.
This was the first he had ever installed.
A quick AVS search reveals that this has been out in other cities, but new for me.
It looks nicer than the SA8300HD.
Hopefully it will be stable.
I had a WD MyDVR Expander hooked up to it.
I'll re-try that with it tomorrow.

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After discussions on thread at AVS/Emotiva and Emotiva/Amps, I'm wondering if the Emotiva XPA-3 might not be a better way to go.

A few people don't think the MPS-2 at 200W/ch will make any difference vs. the Denon 140W/ch.

the XPA-3 is also 200W/ch but could be used for the L/C/R channels only and is only $539 (on sale through Mon) vs. the $1529 for the MPS-2.
And a lot lighter weight (57 vs 115 pounds).



Emotiva XPA-3 product site
Emotiva XPA-3 Manual

I do need something to counterbalance my top heavy Middle Atlantic rollout/swivel rack anyway...



Mike

scoogs -

Thanks for the comments.
You are probably correct.

I ordered the Emotiva XPA-3.
May need to do a blinded A/B testing vs Denon 5308CI.
I'll see if I am motivated enough.

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From:
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Reviewed 13th Apr, 2009
By Phil Hinton

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"I am happy to report after lots of testing and re-testing of the new software upgrade that the CMS system now works as it should and in a linear fashion."

...

"So after an initial false start with the HD750 and its CMS controls, I can happily report that all is now working as it should and the results are fantastic!"



Sounds good.
I wonder how it would compare to the Lumagen Radiance?


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From:
AVForums.com (UK website)
Reviewed 13th Apr, 2009
By Phil Hinton

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"I am happy to report after lots of testing and re-testing of the new software upgrade that the CMS system now works as it should and in a linear fashion."

...

"So after an initial false start with the HD750 and its CMS controls, I can happily report that all is now working as it should and the results are fantastic!"



Sounds good.
I wonder how it would compare to the Lumagen Radiance?


Mike


Mike I'm optomistic that this will be the fix that many have been waiting for with respect to the RS20 color management system. With regard to comparing the JVC fix to what the Radiance can do, I think you have begin to look at them differently at some point. The Radiance incorporates full and forward thinking solutions such as color management/gamma correction/hdmi switcher/aspect ratio managment/custom timings and the list goes on. Now if one was going to purchase it ONLY to complete the CMS then it might not be cost effective but I suspect that many of us that have opted to purchase the Radiance XD or XE will be pleased knowing that the company takes a multidimensional approach with regard to display managementand continues to make the product better coupled with the fact that we can correct not only our present display but also future displays. Just food for thought.
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Mike I'm optomistic that this will be the fix that many have been waiting for with respect to the RS20 color management system. With regard to comparing the JVC fix to what the Radiance can do, I think you have begin to look at them differently at some point. The Radiance incorporates full and forward thinking solutions such as color management/gamma correction/hdmi switcher/aspect ratio managment/custom timings and the list goes on. Now if one was going to purchase it ONLY to complete the CMS then it might not be cost effective but I suspect that many of us that have opted to purchase the Radiance XD or XE will be pleased knowing that there is a lot to this solution and the company continues to make the product better and also the fact that we can correct not only our present display but also future displays. Just food for thought.

Roger roger.
I will continue to pick your brain more over time.
I posted this on a Home Theater Spot thread also asking for CraigR's comments.
He noted that it is one review and we'll have to see (for CMS).



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PS - If you need it, I have 2 ceiling telescoping "holders" from Home Depot that you can use for your friends install. If you needed them, you could pick them up this weekend on your trip to C-town and bring them back for 5/3 ISCO install. Just let me know.
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Thanks for the offer Mike, we did however design it so that the board which incorporates the RS20 mount/lens transport can only go up onto the ceiling one way with no real room for positioning error (we hope lol). There are four bolts protruding through the joists and 4 holes in the mounting board so its as simple as us lifting the towards the ceiling and letting the 4 protruding bolts pass through each corresponding hole on each side of the board then securing it on the ceiling with the four bolts, here are early pics of the setup, the room is almost done and the board has been covered with royal black velvet.
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Thanks for the offer Mike, we did however design it so that the board which incorporates the RS20 mount/lens transport can only go up onto the ceiling one way with no real room for positioning error (we hope lol). There are four bolts protruding through the joists and 4 holes in the mounting board so its as simple as us lifting the towards the ceiling and letting the 4 protruding bolts pass through each corresponding hole on each side of the board then securing it on the ceiling with the four bolts, here are early pics of the setup, the room is almost done and the board has been covered with royal black velvet.

Wayne -

Very cool.

You (or your friend) should have a HT building thread showing the whole process.
It sounds like a very well designed and implemented room.
Others could benefit from some of the thought process that you guys put into it -- especially the ISCO/CineSlide stuff.

Mike

PS - Is your friend getting a Radiance?
PS2 - Careful, or you might get written up in a HT mag for your design/building. LOL.
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youre talking to the photographer although I will let him put together the collage, hey I already had my day in the sun so if he gets a writeup im sure I will get honorable mention
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scoogs -

Thanks for the comments.
You are probably correct.

I ordered the Emotiva XPA-3.
May need to do a blinded A/B testing vs Denon 5308CI.
I'll see if I am motivated enough.

Mike

Enjoy the new amp!

(I see we're both in the same general part of the state.)
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Enjoy the new amp!

(I see we're both in the same general part of the state.)

scoogs et al. -

I received the Emotiva XPA-3 today and got it installed.
(more impressions later)
(blurry pic of bottom part of rack - what I get for not using a tripod or flash - but you get the idea...)

I also did my first run of the Denon's Audyssey MultiEQxt.
(setting = "Audyssey", but after reading that FAQ link I may set to "flat" since I have a highly treated room)

I watched Spiderman-3 and thought the sound (lip sync) and picture sucked until I finally realized that the Samsung 1500 was outputting 480 not 1080p.

I had done a FW upgrade a few days ago on the 1500 and it must have reset the player to output 480.
Got that fixed.

Mike

To Do list:
- ISCOIIIL + CineSlide installed
- JVC RS20 FW installed
- Lumagen RadianceXE and JVC RS20 calibration
- get REW or other room eq program up and running
- consider SVS AS-EQ1 subwoofer EQ if my sub/room needs it
- Oppo BD-P83


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scoogs et al. -

I received the Emotiva XPA-3 today and got it installed.
(more impressions later)
(blurry pic of bottom part of rack - what I get for not using a tripod or flash - but you get the idea...)

I also did my first run of the Denon's Audyssey MultiEQxt.
(setting = "Audyssey", but after reading that FAQ link I may set to "flat" since I have a highly treated room)

I watched Spiderman-3 and thought the sound (lip sync) and picture sucked until I finally realized that the Samsung 1500 was outputting 480 not 1080p.

I had done a FW upgrade a few days ago on the 1500 and it must have reset the player to output 480.
Got that fixed.

Mike

To Do list:
- ISCOIIIL + CineSlide installed
- JVC RS20 FW installed
- Lumagen RadianceXE and JVC RS20 calibration
- get REW or other room eq program up and running
- consider SVS AS-EQ1 subwoofer EQ if my sub/room needs it
- Oppo BD-P83

Congrats on the new amp! I'm looking forward to hearing what you think of your new Emotiva. I got my Emo XPA-3 a few weeks back and love it! Crystal clear clean sound. Yesterday for giggles, I listened to some lossless music without the Emo and then with it. Yea, .

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Congrats on the new amp! I'm looking forward to hearing what you think of your new Emotiva. I got my Emo XPA-3 a few weeks back and love it! Crystal clear clean sound. Yesterday for giggles, I listened to some lossless music without the Emo and then with it. Yea, .

plasmattack -

I set up Audyssey last night and installed the amp.

It may be placebo effect (I will fully admit), or the non-music time I was in the HT room moving wires and such, but the speakers did seem to sound better with the XPA-3.

I was playing a Police police DVD-A.
After Audyssey the surrounds sounded louder.
Not sure if that is good or bad, still need time to play with the system.

More later...

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I saw this quote on my Google homepage and thought it might be what my wife thinks of my HT researching and (now) calibrating:

"There is nothing so useless as doing efficiently that which should not be done at all."
- Peter Drucker


Anyway...

For Audyssey, I changed to:
- Room EQ: "Audyssey Flat"
- Dynamic EQ: OFF
- Dynamic Volume: OFF

Playing Police DVD-Audio DTS 5.1 "Every Breath You Take".
Sounds better now.

If I'm motivated I'll try to play with REW or RTA tonight or tomorrow.

Mike

*EDIT*
I added Audyssey screen shot.



Is the graph displayed the frequency response (FR) of the speakers or the correction factors being used -- that is, the inverse of the FR of the speakers in the room?

Played around with Room EQ Wizard (REW) and I'm not sure if I can use my HP laptops internal soundcard or need to get an external soundcard.

Laptop: HP Compaq nc6320
Internal soundcard: SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio soundcard
(I just did a driver update to a 2007 driver)
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RSC200 "Bigfoot" Center Channel Stand Summary PDF

A quick summary chart and some links.
I'll try to update when I have more time.



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*EDIT*
Updated file for more CC speaker stands

 

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RSC200 "Bigfoot" Center Channel Stand Summary PDF

A quick summary chart and some links.
I'll try to update when I have more time.



Mike

Mike. Haven't read through all of this but if you are looking for input on center stands, I have a large center with almost the same dimensions as yours. Mine has a base plate that allows it to swivel so stability was important plus I needed to bring it up 18". At the recommendation of the manufacturer I bought 2 stands. I bought 2 of the 18" VTI DFC. Filled both with shot and used spikes that were provided.

I wanted stability and added width given the size of my center and these two worked well and look good and the are solid as a rock. There are some simple tricks to putting them together but all in all easy. I was missing 2 screws from one and they sent them out the next day.

I looked at all, if not most, of the others you have on your sheet and I really was concerned about their stability (primarily the wood versions) and how it would look. I'm very pleased with my choice. Here are two pics.

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Happytobehere200 -

Thanks for the input.
And nice looking HT by the way.
I looked (am looking) at those. I didn't like the non-adjustable tilt.

My PDF table is listed in my last post.

My main contenders now...

1) Lovan Millennium Adjustable CC
adjustable tilt.
I would consider the dark glass base, but haven't seen pics of that version yet

2) Tyler Acoustics Taylo Center Stand
Fixed tilt, but I can calculate height and tilt I need and have it custom made.

tyleracoustics.com/stands.html
~$250
Sand filled ; made in Owensboro, Kentucky
1" MDF and painted with satin black lacquer
H: 6" (front) & 5" (back) with a fixed tilt - assuming 11" D ->ArcCotangent of 11 = ~5 deg
Stand size and tilt can be made to any setting desired.

Another option is to have my carpenter build something like the custom CC that others have built:
Custom center floor stand... with adjustable angle and height - http://www.av123forum.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=33

I'm still looking.

Also, a recent post on the Carada thread (see my signature) had me update my height I can/should have center at.

Thanks again,

Mike


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How tall does this need to be and are these wide enough?
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How tall does this need to be and are these wide enough?

RSC200 measurements
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12" H x 10.5" D x 25 7/16" W

bottom of screen w/surround - 29"

http://www.carada.com/Masquerade-Masking-System.aspx
Cardada Masquerade

6.25" symmetrical perimeter frame width
-----------------------------------------------------------------
29 (bottom of screen surround)
- 6.25
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22.75"
- 12 (RSC200 height)
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10.75" = "max" height of center channel stand -- at least without getting in front of Masquerade surround

or

29
- 12
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17" = "max" size if okay to overlap Masquerade but still below the current screen surround


However, assuming the 6.25 overlaps with the current Masquerade edge, then(still need to look at that, but probably gives me a few more inches)


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Our centers are about the same size. I have a tiltable plate so that wasn't an issue for me but I get what your issue is although you may not really need it to move that much. I found, after laser sighting, that I didn't need as much tilt as I visually thought I did. Sounds like you can do the math of the angle given the distance to your seating but it is interesting how a few degree tilt, over a 12' distance adds up.

I also didn't want the center hanging from the sides or shaking (my subs are on the stage with it) so that's why I didn't go with a stand like you are looking at (Mfgr said the same thing that the center being a 3 way will move if not well placed).

So you might want to think about what this is going to be on given what you are looking at since it won't make up the 12" (or so) that you need. You could always built a box but much like the issue with a center on top of a TV you will have to make sure you deal with early reflections given there will be a big flat surface below it. A box wraped in Linnaccoustic and then GOM over it would probably work. Just a thought
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