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post #121 of 780 Old 03-10-2012, 01:12 PM - Thread Starter
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Haha it looks like its ready to walk off!

Little R2D2-ish I suppose....Perfect for a theater!

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Love the look with the equipment in the back...nice job

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Great setting !

I am a big BW fan myself and I wondered how they would sound with Wyred4sound amps, which I think is a great company.

No powerfull room correction processor yet in there ?
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I saw that you were selling the Wyred Amps. Whatca moving on to?

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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Did I see in another thread that you are switching to McIntosh amps? If so, I'll be interested to hear your thoughts about how it sounds compared to the others you've had in your system.
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I saw that you were selling the Wyred Amps. Whatca moving on to?

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Did I see in another thread that you are switching to McIntosh amps? If so, I'll be interested to hear your thoughts about how it sounds compared to the others you've had in your system.

Yes, the Mcintosh MC8207 - I've been fiddling with testing out an Integra 80.3 at the same time, so haven't done thorough listening, but so far, I'm finding the Mac very black, articulate, and smooth. Midrange seems to have great presence

The W4S amps are no slouches, however, and I'm not claiming night and day differences...no way to do a/b comparisons as the mono blocks are sold, but I do feel the Mac is a better match to my B&W's.

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Thanks for the reply. I'll be very interested in hearing your impressions as you get it all dialed in and get to enjoy the combo as I'm assembling gear for HT and considering the same pieces, Int 80.3 & MC8207 to go with my B&Ws.
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Any updates about the McIntosh amp or Integra Pre?
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Hey Thrang, what sub risers are you using for your Fathoms?

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Any updates about the McIntosh amp or Integra Pre?

I did an audyssey pro calibration about two months back, and continue to be impressed both by the 80.3 and the 8207. While audyssey can be finicky to nail just right, when you do, it creates a very solid soundstage - broad, wide, and high, while remaining very articulate. I find the thx neo cinema and music modes to some of the best on a fairly consistent basis, and for most material, I tend to leave the audyssey eq on the music setting rather than movie, unless there is an usually bright soundtrack.

The 8207 is very clean and powerful, and is having no issues driving my diamonds. I had been toying with they idea of an mc303 for the fronts, but at my loudest listening, I'm not clipping the 8207, so no need for more than 200 watts per channel at this point.

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Hey Thrang, what sub risers are you using for your Fathoms?

I was using Auralex Gramma's, but need to update the photos of my front soundstage. I've since built two 2 foot high mdf cubes to raise the fathoms in the Y axis as some placement guides have suggested trying, and it's been a visceral improvement....

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I was using Auralex Gramma's, but need to update the photos of my front soundstage. I've since built two 2 foot high mdf cubes to raise the fathoms in the Y axis as some placement guides have suggested trying, and it's been a visceral improvement....

Thanks. I will look into the Gramma's. Are they a nice fit for the Fathoms dimension wise? I'd like to see your DIY risers too. Maybe I'll get Thrang risers in my HT.wink.gif

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Thanks. I will look into the Gramma's. Are they a nice fit for the Fathoms dimension wise? I'd like to see your DIY risers too. Maybe I'll get Thrang risers in my HT.wink.gif

Well. if you like an "austere" look. they're perfect.

3/4 inch MDF, glued/brad-ed, sanded, and painted flat black for now.....back is open so I can stuff with some rigid insulation when I get around to it....

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Thanks for the update! You've got such a great system! When you get a chance to update picutures, I'd be interested in the seeing the updates.
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Updated the first post with the latest photos showing the new speaker configuration:

- JL Audio 113 on custom high risers
- Eliminated Rear 805DI's
- Added Wide 805DI's

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24 x 20 x 9

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Hi Thrang Ive always admired your system such elegant equipment. Ive noticed you have raised the subs ( Sound doctor from JL Barry Ober ?) how do you find it? I

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Hi Frank

While I have had conversations with Barry, I think I stumbled across that idea from some other white papers (maybe Toole's?, or some other) - Barry's a interesting guy, but also said some things I couldn't rationalize, like set all speaker distance controls at 7 feet regardless of their actual distance to the MLP, then start with your subs at 21 feet, playing with the distance until you get the highest SPL at the crossover...I mean, maybe there's gold there, but haven't tried it yet...

Nonetheless, raising the subs has made all the difference in the world - while I have a large room, there is complete freedom to put the subs wherever I want, so the vertical axis was unchartered territory.

After JL and Audyssey Pro cal, and a slight ELF trim, I noticed the benefit in several areas:
- low volume low end was natural, but more "apparent" than before
- high volume low end was super clean, well integrated, impactful visceral - you will feel yourself and the chair vibrate when appropriate.
- no rumbling

Essentially, before I was considering a third sub to improve the bottom end; now, I am not looking...

Your setup is looking great as always - I wish I had the ability to do more dedicated sound treatments, but the room style and physical configuration, prevent that from happening in any serious way.

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Hi Frank

After JL and Audyssey Pro cal, and a slight ELF trim, I noticed the benefit in several areas:
- low volume low end was natural, but more "apparent" than before
- high volume low end was super clean, well integrated, impactful visceral - you will feel yourself and the chair vibrate when appropriate.
- no rumbling
Essentially, before I was considering a third sub to improve the bottom end; now, I am not looking...
Your setup is looking great as always - I wish I had the ability to do more dedicated sound treatments, but the room style and physical configuration, prevent that from happening in any serious way.

That sounds quite interesting how high did you raise the subs? I might look into that I did raise the subs once but not that high off the ground.

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That sounds quite interesting how high did you raise the subs? I might look into that I did raise the subs once but not that high off the ground.

I think they are about 24" inches high....

This hobby has taught us it can't hurt to experiment (well, financially it can be painful, but what's a few tens of thousands of dollars in the pursuit of science?...)

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09_2012 update: High Risers for JL Audio 113 Subs, Wide Speaker Congifuration

Fabulous room, 9.2 cool the sound must be awesome, how big is your room?
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Fabulous room, 9.2 cool the sound must be awesome, how big is your room?

Noted a few posts above - 24x20x9

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Noted a few posts above - 24x20x9 Thanks

Thanks sorry, didn't see it great set up
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Updated the first post with the latest photos showing the new speaker configuration:
- JL Audio 113 on custom high risers
- Eliminated Rear 805DI's
- Added Wide 805DI's

Looking good as always thrang. So now that you have been running your 7.2 setup configured for wides rather than rears do you prefer the wides? What differences are you noticing in the soundstage between the two? I know having the 805's on hand was convienent for the stictch to wides but have you thought about a more full range speaker in that position and if it would add anything? Widths and heights are still a mystery to me as so few people run one or the other or both and one thing that always peaks my curiosity is what Dolby, dts, etc. recommend for the wides i.e. are they full range channels or a frequency limited channels. If frequency limited then all you would need would be a stand mounted speaker making the 805 perfect but if they are full range then something like another pair of 803's might work out better but of course cost more money biggrin.gif

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At this point I much prefer the wide of the rears - in my set up, perhaps because I was only 5-7 feet away from them, the rears were too obvious at times. The wides are 12-14 feet away, and create a much more enveloping stage, with smoother transition from front to back. Remember, I relocated my "sides" to more of a 120 degree position slightly behind the listening area from their original straight on 90 degree orientation, and this works much better for me. I suppose the wides being where they allow me to push the sides back a bit further, and it really works quite well

I found that angle was more important than full range when it came to wides, though not to say that full range at the right position wouldn't be better. I had the 803's as wides some months ago, but because of the wall unit on the right, they were positioned too far forward to the front - I really didn't like it. Putting the 805's (one on a stand in the bookshelf and one on an existing table on the left side) at the proper angle made a large difference. Since I'm crossing at 80 for film listening, I'm not sure how much more benefit I would experience with full range (though I'd try if I had the room config)

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Cool, thanks for describing what differences you heard between the backs and widths. Wow, you have your 802's and 803's crossed over at 80, is that just for film? Do you open it up for multi-channel music, down closer to their bass limits?

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Music is full range

802's might be at 70, have to check again...

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Hey Thrang how have you been? Any new upgrades/changes to your theatre?

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Hey Thrang how have you been? Any new upgrades/changes to your theatre?

Hi Frank

Doing well, hope you are too.

No major changes recently - first post has the updated equipment list; the custom risers for the subs, the McIntosh 7 channel amp, and rearranging my speaker configs were the most recent modifications.

How about you?

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