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There, I'm done obsessing about speakers I won't be getting.

Back to normal, civil sized setups....
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http://www.axiomaudio.com/qs8.html#

Anyone have these? Anyone listened to them?

I've been recommended to check these out by a few people now since my surrounds locations are probably too close to listeners for direct firing speakers....
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What are the pros/cons of putting two different subs in a setup?

Say an Epik Empire in one corner, a CS-18.1 in another?
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What are the pros/cons of putting two different subs in a setup?

Say an Epik Empire in one corner, a CS-18.1 in another?

I've recommended two different subs before based on their abilities. I've done systems where their was a 10 for mid bass and a 15 to handle low end. Cross them over correctly and you shouldn't notice any frequency dip. Some people don't believe in this but I've seen it in action and it works.
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http://www.axiomaudio.com/qs8.html#

Anyone have these? Anyone listened to them?

I've been recommended to check these out by a few people now since my surrounds locations are probably too close to listeners for direct firing speakers....

There are quite a few builds I remember using them with good results - try a search for qs8 in the dedicated builds forum.

Re: mixing different subs - I've heard it can cause problems that can be difficult to correct with EQ, but I don't have any significant experience with it tbh. Tried my THT LP with my old Velodyne sub in the other corner, seemed OK, but I didn't do any measurements.
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There are quite a few builds I remember using them with good results - try a search for qs8 in the dedicated builds forum.

Re: mixing different subs - I've heard it can cause problems that can be difficult to correct with EQ, but I don't have any significant experience with it tbh. Tried my THT LP with my old Velodyne sub in the other corner, seemed OK, but I didn't do any measurements.


I think I'm fairly settled on doing 2-18"s, and think I want sealed for a lower end.....just for the sub of choice now...........

I'm also pretty sold on the qs8 for my surrounds. The reviews and location possibilities are nice for now and down the road.

Starting tile monday......as well as looking into projector mounting options again......
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1) Should I have pre-wired for rear surrounds? I've never been sold on them, and could always wire through the soffit down the road...but....woops?

2) What would you use as heights?

A member on the Axiom board uses QS8 (dipole) on his SIDE walls for heights. Audyssey recommends installing them on the SCREEN walls. He still thinks QS8 or a similar speaker would work since they are diffuse sounds like rain, jets, etc.

Anyone? I was leaning toward a smaller direct radiator....but maybe something like the Emotiva ERD-1 would be ok. Still think using the QS8 on the SCREEN wall would be weird.
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A member on the Axiom board uses QS8 (dipole) on his SIDE walls for heights. Audyssey recommends installing them on the SCREEN walls. He still thinks QS8 or a similar speaker would work since they are diffuse sounds like rain, jets, etc.

http://www.audyssey.com/technology/dsx.html

Just to clarify I have my height speakers on the side walls to meet the recommended DSX angles of 45 degrees off center and 45 degrees up neither of which was possible in my narrow room with front wall placement. Additionally listening test prior to mounting them clearly indicated the 45 degree off center placement sounds much better in my room than front wall placement which would have to have been directly above the mains at 30 degrees off center. Also note that I have a vaulted ceiling which IMO helps spread out the ambience by placing the height speakers farther out into the room thus nearer the peak.

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Anyone? I was leaning toward a smaller direct radiator....but maybe something like the Emotiva ERD-1 would be ok. Still think using the QS8 on the SCREEN wall would be weird.

Based on my listening tests it’s not as important to “brand” timbre match the heights to the mains as it is to match the wides to the mains which share nearly identical audio information as their corresponding mains. So I think you could probably use the ERD-1s to good effect as height speakers with Axioms. However, it begs the question why not go with all Emo speakers?

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Thanks for the info...I didn't know you had a vaulted ceiling.
That makes a bit more sense..more reflections and such.

I might go all Emo if I can get a good deal....as in $250/pr for 4.....but for Surrounds right now I'm leaning towards the QS8........

Decisions...decisions..

I'm still torn between horn and ribbon design...leaning towards the waveguide for my L/C/R....and maybe for heights if I can find a smaller version of my L/C/R....
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So...which way should I put in this soap/shampoo insert?

Soap on top?
Shampoo insert on top?

And on the side or rear wall? (Leaning toward the longer side wall)...




Ideas?

Going to start this soon....

Bar Seating first...
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Looking from screen.....




Looking at screen.....

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So...which way should I put in this soap/shampoo insert?

Soap on top?
Shampoo insert on top?

Shampoo on top, no question. Why you ask? No idea. But for sure.

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And on the side or rear wall? (Leaning toward the longer side wall)...Ideas?

Where is the show head / faucet going to be? And are you right or left handed? Maybe also look at the placement in your current shower, where it is relative to the fixture, and go with that.
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Shampoo on top, no question. Why you ask? No idea. But for sure.

Alright, I'll go with that. But you access the soap more!



Where is the show head / faucet going to be? And are you right or left handed? Maybe also look at the placement in your current shower, where it is relative to the fixture, and go with that.

Shower head on your left hand side looking. Since you can't put the insert there, I'm thinking side so no one has to turn around. Side middle it is!
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So Lowes has failed me again, though I doubt Home Depot would have had anything else.

The wainscoating was all either pre-finished (could have only painted) or was only 32" tall and in small sections. I didn't want any seams showing and the quality looked "interesting".

So, went with 4x4 sheets of 1/4" oak. Looks like oak on the front and birch? on the back. Bought some 1" trim for vertical stiles? and also bought some base (4 1/4"?). Will try and finish nailing before work tomorrow!





Looks like the better boards got used for the inside of the seating area instead of the front...but I doubt it will matter after staining down the road...will be staining the same as the cabinets.
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Bar seating is done being wrapped in the 1/4" oak panels.
Going to try and stain in the next couple days so the tile can get put down up to it.



A wider shot....




Hopefully the lighter tile shows off the cabinets well and allows me to put some dark countertops on......

We will see!
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Time to start cutting..so time to stop for today!

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You are a working machine.
I forget what is like to work on a project like this.
I remember painting my "false wall" in my HT after the kids went to bed every night.
Crazy stuff.
Keep up the pics and posts.


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You are a working machine.

Wife got me motivated after slacking last week. "You know you only have 90 days to get this done, enjoy it, before baby #2"
I forget what is like to work on a project like this.
It is rewarding when stuff actually falls in place. I'm recruiting to get help with certain parts....
I remember painting my "false wall" in my HT after the kids went to bed every night.
I used to hate painting. Now it is easier to have patience when it is something you know will be fun.
Crazy stuff.
Keep up the pics and posts.


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Hope to get tile done by Monday and get the bar seating stained and trim pieces installed and start poly next week.

Then countertops by 2/1.

Then we can turn our attention to the beast that is audio selection and projector hanging...and a ton of other little stuff.
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Done staining....I think. Might have to go darker once tile is down.

Some shots....



The difference in these two panels was kind of a lot, but with a countertop and the shadow underneath...shouldn't notice.



Again, the panels are different...but with poly and stiles hopefully it breaks it up.

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The popcorn popper came....



And the 4 - 13175s.....




Only more motivation to get this thing done! Or at least trim and flooring to sit in the chairs.....

The popcorn machine sounds like something to put together now and demo!

EDIT: Mike_WI..notice the "special" opener on the first pic?
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Floor almost laid.....



Floor design turned out fairly well....



Subbing out the shower....didn't want to go farther than this. Water and leakage freaks me out.

Skip the tile saw....

Buy one of these...

http://homerenovations.about.com/od/...snapcutter.htm
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Looking good

When you go to hang your doors go pick up some of these from Menard's. I hung my doors with them and they work pretty slick and they are super fast too.

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Nice, I'm jealous, I think I'll ask rsh to deliver my Berklines as incentive to get moving a little faster - need to get the carpet in.
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Looking good

When you go to hang your doors go pick up some of these from Menard's. I hung my doors with them and they work pretty slick and they are super fast too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C66BhoZwwCY&NR=1

http://www.ezhangdoor.com/

http://www.thequickdoorhanger.com/


Thanks! I'll look into this. I have a friend that does trim work and lives in Fremont that is helping me with the doors and base..etc...I'm sure I'll throw some money his way too..but he is getting my stuff from his lumberyard.

Went with lowe's for my oak paneling on bar seating...they charged me like $20 a PANEL. Wow.
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Nice, I'm jealous, I think I'll ask rsh to deliver my Berklines as incentive to get moving a little faster - need to get the carpet in.

I'm thinking parking my car outside and defrosting it every morning (and that isn't counting incoming snow) I'll be quick to get the trim, counters, and carpet down to unpack those berklines! I'm hoping to have all 3 of those done by 2/1.

Then with the new CHT products for audio being "released" and the shootout subs results on avsforum being done....maybe I can finally settle on my AVR and sub/speakers and really get rolling!

I got the popper built....it looks like overkill and a splurge, but should be fun.
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The speaker and subwoofers I have been considering are going on sale...

http://www.chasehometheater.com/foru...ead.php?t=3800

I was considering the SHO-10 for my L/C/R and the 18.T (DUO) as my 2-18" subwoofers.

I was going to wait to make a decision until after the Shootout here on AVS and the new finishes on the next line after 2/1 but maybe this is a good offer to take up?

Anyone? Or quit getting excited and slow down.....

Everyone likes to save a penny...
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Sounds great to me, but obviously I'm a little biased. If you're looking for people to suggest restraint, this probably isn't the best place to ask.
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Sounds great to me, but obviously I'm a little biased. If you're looking for people to suggest restraint, this probably isn't the best place to ask.

Probably going to pull the trigger.....

I'm also probably going with the Onkyo NR 1007 via a good B Stock Website....

So...what is left but surrounds:

My two choices:

1) Emotiva ERD-1

4 ohm Driver.
One 5.25" Woofer, two 25mm tweeters
Sensitivity:
89db (2.83volts @ 1 Meter)
Recommended amplifier power:
50-200 Watts RMS
Frequency response: 80hz-20Khz +/-2db
Weight:
29.5 lbs pair (boxed) - 11 lbs. each (unboxed)
Selectable switches:

1. Left/Right Bipole
2. Left Dipole
3. Right Dipole
4. Left/Right Inverted Dipole

Unboxed (each): 13" wide x 9.5" high x 4.25" deep

2) Axiom QS8

Enclosure: Acoustic Suspension
Max Amp Power: 400 Watts
Min Amp Power: 10 Watts
Freq Resp +/-3dB (Hz): 95 - 20 kHz
Freq Resp +3dB- 9dB (Hz): 65 - 20 kHz
Impedance (Ohms): 8 Ohms
SPL in Room1w/1m(dB): 98 dB
SPL Anechoic 1w/1m(dB): 94 dB
X-Over 2.5 kHz
Tweeter: Dual 1"
Woofer: Dual 5.25"
Sub Woofer: -
Dimens. H W D (inches): 8.25" x 11" x 6"
Dimens. H W D (mm): 210 x 280 x 152
Weight (lbs) each 13.5 lbs
Weight (kg) each 6.123 kg




So guys...which one?

I'll be powering my L/C/R, Heights and Zone 2 with an Emotiva UPA-7, and my Onkyo NR1007 the Surrounds....or mix it up however I would need to.

I'm worried most about...difference with the 4 ohms/8ohms? I'm leaning towards the more sensitive Axioms....or just waiting and getting something later........

Thanks!
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