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OK. So a few days ago I watched Terminator 3. Not sure what people think about it. I just think of it as one big action sequence, which is not half bad . Anyway, I have the BR version of it. But unlike other BR's, it only had a Dolby Digital soundtrack and not one of the high rez audio formats. I can say that it still sounded really good. Even though it was only regular Dolby Digital, it somehow sounded better then the regular DVD's I have with Dolby Digital. At least to me. I don't know why but it did. Let me put it this way, I did not feel cheated because of this fact. I just thought that was interesting. Then last night I watch WWZ and that still sounds fantastic as well. But I thought that was interesting about T3.

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This might be a rambling post but oh well. I admit I am a lazy bastard . That is part of the reason I got the server. It has made my HT experience so much better. The ability to just watch any movie I have, or any series I have at the push of a button is really cool. The audio and video quality are top notch. I fought it for a while, but adding the server was a major upgrade to my system. I have a number of movies that I need to buy and put on there. It will take some time but I will slowly whittle it down.

I would also like to add that I really like how movies sound. With all this talk of Atmos, I admit I am a bit jealous of people who have bigger rooms and who can fully take advantage of it. It's not a crime to think like that. But from what I have read and found out, it seems that it really doesn't improve the SQ of the system like going from prologic to DTS-MA. It makes for a more enveloped surround experience. TBH, in my small room, with my small 5.1 system, I have what I think is a pretty good surround envelopment experience now. There are plenty of movies where the sound moving around the room, or more specifically, coming out of the surrounds is impressive. Sometimes I fool myself or someone else in the room by thinking that what happened in the room wasn't happening out of the room. So yea, I am pretty happy.

Also, Somewhere in my thread someone posted some covers you can place on lights on your system(I.E amp lights, power lights etc). They came in different sizes. But I can't seem to find that post. If anybody is in here, and they know what they are, can you please post the link again? I really don't feel like going through every page of my thread to find the. As I said, I can be a lazy bastard .
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http://www.amazon.com/LightDims-Orig...+light+blocker

I am pretty sure those are it. I may get a set to experiment with.

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This might be a rambling post but oh well. I admit I am a lazy bastard . That is part of the reason I got the server. It has made my HT experience so much better. The ability to just watch any movie I have, or any series I have at the push of a button is really cool. The audio and video quality are top notch. I fought it for a while, but adding the server was a major upgrade to my system. I have a number of movies that I need to buy and put on there. It will take some time but I will slowly whittle it down.

I would also like to add that I really like how movies sound. With all this talk of Atmos, I admit I am a bit jealous of people who have bigger rooms and who can fully take advantage of it. It's not a crime to think like that. But from what I have read and found out, it seems that it really doesn't improve the SQ of the system like going from prologic to DTS-MA. It makes for a more enveloped surround experience. TBH, in my small room, with my small 5.1 system, I have what I think is a pretty good surround envelopment experience now. There are plenty of movies where the sound moving around the room, or more specifically, coming out of the surrounds is impressive. Sometimes I fool myself or someone else in the room by thinking that what happened in the room wasn't happening out of the room. So yea, I am pretty happy.

Also, Somewhere in my thread someone posted some covers you can place on lights on your system(I.E amp lights, power lights etc). They came in different sizes. But I can't seem to find that post. If anybody is in here, and they know what they are, can you please post the link again? I really don't feel like going through every page of my thread to find the. As I said, I can be a lazy bastard .
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http://www.amazon.com/LightDims-Orig...+light+blocker

I am pretty sure those are it. I may get a set to experiment with.
Linky no worky in your last post.

This is what you are looking for:

http://www.lightdims.com/

They work very well. Get the combo pack for the best value.
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Linky no worky in your last post.

This is what you are looking for:

http://www.lightdims.com/

They work very well. Get the combo pack for the best value.
Thanks. I don't know why the link broke though. Strange. On an un related note, some of you in here may know that I was having a hard time playing regular DVD's on my server. When played through Jriver, they were choppy but the audio was good. I did my best to get the chop down by playing with the video card and doing other things. That worked to a degree but there is still some chop. Then I experimented with VLC viewer. That made dvd's look great but I was only getting 2ch audio. Well, playing around today I got it to where when I play a regular DVD with VLC I get Multich on my Integra. It doesn't say DTS or Dolby Digital. Dou you guys think that is close enough audio, if I can't figure out the next step for regular DVD's?
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Here is a more expansive explanation of what I mention above.

If some of you remember, I was having some issues with regular DVD playback on my server. But I did a number of tweaks and got it looking fairly good with only some chop left. Well, if there is one thing about me I am persistent. A while back I tried the media player VLC. When I watched a DVD rip through that it looked fantastic but I was only getting stereo soundtrack. Fast forward to this past weekend.

Going through the audio options on the Baetis(Windows OS) and the VLC player, I am now able to get the multich to come and play as an audio source when I watch a DVD rip through the VLC player. It really doesn't sound that bad. Here is what I did.

I had to setup VLC to Directx audio out in two spots and make sure that VLC is "looking" for the 80.3 which is just a simple menu selection Also, one thing that I had to do was to go into the control panel of windows based Baetis server. In there is an icon named sound. If I double click on that another widow pops up and I see my 80.3 listed If you double click on it and then go to supported formats it gives some info. It says max number of channels is 8.
HDCP supported
Bit depths 16 bit 20 bit and 24 bit.
Then for sample rates it says 32.0 kHz, 44.1kHz, 48kHz and 88.2 Khz
Then in another box it has Encoded formats
DTS audio
Dolby Digital Plus
DTS-HD
Dolby TrueHD
Dolby Digital.
Then in the advanced mode it says Select the sample rate and bit depth to be used when running in share mode. It goes from 16bit 48000hz(DVD Quality All the way to 24bit 192,000Hz(studio quality).
I have it on the dvd quality.

Now also, I just happen to right click on my 80.3 icon and another screen came up. It allows me to setup my speaker configuration, When I did that, I saw that it was in stereo mode. But, there was a 5.1 surround and 7.1 surround option as well. So, I put it to the 5.1 setting.
After I did all of that, I played a movie and I got the Multich output.

According to Craig, "The "Multi-Channel" on your pre/pro display just means that the server is decoding the Dolby Digital or DTS track instead of bitstreaming it to the pre/pro for the pre/pro to decode. You must have the output in the VLC player set to PCM. If the decoder in the server is a decent decoder, and assuming it is working properly, the sound should be virtually the same between DD/DTS decoded in the sever or decoded in the pre/pro. Your pre/pro will still apply Audyssey EQ and all the BM and Distance settings, so that should be the same also."

Now Craig mentioned the fact that VLC player is probably set for PCM audio and the server itself is doing the decoding but I still get the EQ function and bass management. He said the only "downside" is that I can't see what format is being played. I guess he means Dolby Digital or DTS. To be honest, it really doesn't matter because I only have one or the other on my DVD rips so as long as it plays which ever is on the rip, I am fine with it.

So that's it. The server is now doing EVERYTHING I wanted it to do. I tested just a few parts of some DVD rips and it sounds fine and looks great. If anyone knows if there is a bit stream option in VLC, please let me know and I will switch it. But if this is as good as it gets, I can easily live it for the 40 or so DVD's I have on the server. I am so glad I decided to just try one more time and play around.
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Unfortunately, the released version of VLC doesn't seem to provide a "bitstream" option yet.

You can get the equivalent of bitstream support if you use different player software. See Which media players reconfigure HDMI to match number of source channels?

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Thanks Selden. I think I will stick with what I have right now since I am used to it and it really doesn't sound half bad. Also, Like I said, it's only for the DVD's that I already have on the server and I won't be buying them any more. This is where my laziness kicks in. I just can't be bothered to try and figure out something else when the video looks fantastic and the audio is not that bad. It took me this long to figure everything out, a lot on my own, and I don't feel like messing with a good thing . But thanks again.
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It is an entertainment system, after all. If it entertains you, then it's doing its job!
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It certainly is entertaining me. The overall setup really does a great job. Would I like more? Sure, but I am trying to do the best I can with what I have to work with.

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I just wanted to give a full update(review) now that I have watched a movie. I watched Open Range last night which is a DVD rip. First the video was very good. There was no jaggedness at all. The colors of the landscape in the beginning were really vibrant. Detail on close up shots of different people were also very clear and detailed. I was very happy with the video. On the audio side I was equally happy. The thunder at the start of the movie was potent and had some power. All of the gunshots were crisp and had impact(the shotgun as well). But the dialog as well was crystal clear. I could make out every word, even low level dialog and mumbles were clearer now. In addition little insects flying around were convincing. I will probably watch a few more as tests.

This is probably just for when I watch a movie. If I wanted to give someone a demo. I doubt I would use a dvd rip. I would want them to get the full experience so I would use a BR rip. But for stuff that I watch, it's great. I am really glad I played around a bit more. Now everything looks and sounds great .

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GREAT JOB getting this sorted, Mike! This issue goes back a long way for you, so your persistence is to be commended!

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Thanks Craig. I am nothing if not persistent . It's just in my nature. I am just glad that the multich soundtrack still sounds pretty damn good. I understand that some people may look at my solution as a cobbled together one, but for me as long as it works, I am happy.

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OK, so I am back over here where I belong(sorry Matt). On the Jriver forum someone offered some help that should have aided me in fixing my issue without the need of going through VCL and getting the multich sound track. Well, I tried and tried but I just can't get it work. It's a .bin file that you are supposed to put in a certain folder along with doing some other things. But whenever I try to get the file onto my Baetis, it converts it to a VCL file. I downloaded it directly from the thread where it is posted and I even emailed it to myself and both ways did not work. It still wants open it as a VCL file. But I was able to get it to open the right way at work, by choosing what program to open it with, at home I can't get it to work. So you what, F it. I don't have the patience and I am in so much pain from a medical condition that I just don't care any more. It's only DVD's and they sound good enough the way they are now that I am just going to leave it. So, that's it. I am done. I can't get it to download right on my server so I am not going to waste any more time on it. I don't have any Jriver Jedi masters that can help me with so that's it. For my system, it's good enough. I know for many good enough is not good enough and for me, most of the time it's not. But for this, it will have to be.

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I don't know if anybody is in here, but I just want to put this down so I can say that at least I thought about it. I was wondering if it was at all possible to a projector in my room. Now please just don't say "hell yea, get a 110" screen and be done." I have constraints. First is that I normally watch TV with someone else who does not like a huge screen. It makes this person dizzy. So my plan was to keep my 42" plasma for when I watch TV with this person, but when I am by myself, I can use the projector. So that means that the screen would come down in front of my TV stand. That would put it at about 7-8 feet from my main seat. At that distance, I am thinking that a 65" screen would look nice. Going from a 42" to a 65" is quite the jump in my room.

But here are the rubs. If you look in my thread, you will see that I have treatments on my back wall. That would not allow me to place the projector center on the back wall. Also, and more importantly, I have a ceiling fan in the center of my room. So that also makes center mounting a projector very problematic. The only way this would work is if I could set the projector off center and to the left of my treatments. But if I do that I would need to find a projector that has lens shift that would allow me to center the image.

Another issue is heat. first, I think if I keep the ceiling fan on its lowest setting it would not affect the screen(make it flap) but you never know. It would only be me or maybe me and 1 or two friends when I use the screen. I do have a floor standing fan that is pretty good and does a nice job of cooling the room on its own that I could use. But aside from the screen moving, I really can't introduce any more heat in the room. I know of two projectors that are not that bad price wise, one is even wireless which would be a big bonus, but I think they would generate a lot extra heat in the room. I think an LCD projector would introduce too much heat into the room. I don't know if LED projectors are any better. The mounting option might be to move my ceiling treatments forward a bit and drop the projector so it shines right below my fan. As you can see, it's not a clear cut answer. I would appreciate any thoughts on this. Whether I should to try and do it, or my constraints just make it more work then it's worth. Again, I wanted to just write this down so at least I got it out of my head. Which is a dangerous place to be in .
One more idea. Most people have their projectors up high on or near the ceiling. Is it possible to lower the mounting of it so it's almost a straight shot to the screen? Just putting ideas out there. Whether they work is another matter altogether.

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Just me again. So I ran a "test" last night. I watched The Song Remains The Same. That is a two hour and twenty minutes movie. I did not turn on my ceiling fan. I just turned on my floor standing fan. Even on the lowest setting, it kept the room very comfortable. So that means that I don't need to turn on my ceiling fan now. That clears up two issues. The first was the concern of heat. I think that fan alone would be able to keep the room cool. Also, I won't risk any screen movement from that fan since it is on the floor and it really wouldn't "bother" the screen.

So what's left is just should I think about doing it, can I do it and is it worth the effort to do it. Like I said, I am just rolling this idea out there just so I can see it written down. But if anybody has any thoughts, please share them .

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You probably should pose the question in one of the projector forums. presumably the one for projectors under $3K:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...-000-usd-msrp/

FWIW, it looks like hybrid laser/led projectors use about 2/3 the power of a comparable mercury lamp projector. (200W vs 300W)
See http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...#Specification
and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824116575
but they last much longer: 20K hours instead of 3-5K.

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Thanks Selden. I will check out those projectors and if I get the courage, I will post my question in the other section. This was sort of a feeler if you get my drift.

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You're quite welcome.

Bear in mind that the links are just the result of a quick Web search when I wondered about the relative power usage. I haven't done any in-depth research on projectors for several years: I currently don't plan to replace my Mitsubishi HC3800 DLP projector until its bulb quits.

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That's cool. This is basically a logistics(can't stand that term) question. If in my small room, dropping a screen down in front of my TV would be worth the effort. I mean, I would be about 7 feet from 65 in screen that would have to modified so it can be lowered so I don't crane my neck. Plus I need the projector to be off set to make the install easier. Plus I need lens shift so I can center the image if I do off set the projector. I was just wondering out loud if going from a 42in to a 62-65in projector would be worth the effort.

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FWIW, there also are pull-up screens, although they aren't as flat as the high-quality pull-down/motorized screens.

I fear that needing an adjustable lens-shift might push the cost of the projector up significantly. My Mits was relatively inexpensive (~$2K? I don't recall) because it has a fixed offset: it has to be aligned with either the bottom center or the top center of the screen.

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Here are two that Craig sent me that have lens shift.
http://www.projectorpeople.com/Epson...EU5RoC2wfw_wcB

And this one is wireless which is really appealing to me
http://www.projectorpeople.com/Epson...EU5RoC2wfw_wcB

Both have lens shift and with the size screen I want, unless I really search for real, I am looking at mid three thousand range. I knew about pull up screens as well but I am not sure I want to a) have to drag it out every time I wanted to use it or b) leave it in the room on the floor which I think would look horrible and be a hazard for me. Again, this is why I wanted to bounce these ideas in here instead of them just bouncing in my head .

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Here are two that Craig sent me that have lens shift.
http://www.projectorpeople.com/Epson...EU5RoC2wfw_wcB

And this one is wireless which is really appealing to me
http://www.projectorpeople.com/Epson...EU5RoC2wfw_wcB

Both have lens shift and with the size screen I want, unless I really search for real, I am looking at mid three thousand range. I knew about pull up screens as well but I am not sure I want to a) have to drag it out every time I wanted to use it or b) leave it in the room on the floor which I think would look horrible and be a hazard for me. Again, this is why I wanted to bounce these ideas in here instead of them just bouncing in my head .
Mike,

I have concerns about mounting the projector off-center with a short throw distance. First, at such a short throw distance, there probably won't be enough horizontal lens shift capability to bring the image back to the screen. Second, when you get to the limits of the lens shift, you lose some of the projector's brightness and focus. Third, you'll need to use the vertical lens shift if you drop the screen down to a comfortable viewing height, and the vertical lens shift and the horizontal lens shift interact with each other. The more horizontal lens shift you use, the less vertical lens shift you have available. For all these reasons, it would be far preferable to mount the projector on center.



Why couldn't we just slide the left acoustic panel over a couple of inches and mount the projector to the ceiling in between the panels? If that doesn't work, couldn't we slide the panels forward 8" or so to make space for the projector mount? Either of these options would be far superior to mounting the projector off-center with a very short throw distance.

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PS. What LED projectors are you looking at? I'm not aware of any full-featured Home Theater LED projectors anywhere close to the $3K mark.

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You see Craig, that's why I value your input so much. I did not even think of any issue with throw distance. I just thought it would work regardless.
Here is one
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=REG&A=details
http://www.lg.com/us/projectors/lg-P...-led-projector
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=REG&A=details
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...79448664933951
Those are four that I found really quick that seem to be full HD and LCD+LED and are under $3,000.
Those are three really quick that I found. I went LCD or LED looking to cut down on the heat. I just assumed that would be the case

Plus, I am NOT against your thoughts of moving the treatments apart so we can center the projector. I just hope we can set it up correctly so it clears the fan and still looks good. We shall see .

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You see Craig, that's why I value your input so much. I did not even think of any issue with throw distance. I just thought it would work regardless.
Here is one
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=REG&A=details
http://www.lg.com/us/projectors/lg-P...-led-projector
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=REG&A=details
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...79448664933951
Those are four that I found really quick that seem to be full HD and LCD+LED and are under $3,000.
Those are three really quick that I found. I went LCD or LED looking to cut down on the heat. I just assumed that would be the case

Plus, I am NOT against your thoughts of moving the treatments apart so we can center the projector. I just hope we can set it up correctly so it clears the fan and still looks good. We shall see .
None of those projectors has any lens shift capability, nether horizontal nor vertical. You're going to need at least vertical lens shift to allow us to mount the projector above the screen and shift the image down onto a screen mounted at proper eye height. That's what I meant when I said "full featured."

While you're brainstorming about this stuff, play around with this link:
http://www.projectorpeople.com/promo...p?sku=HC5030UB
It's a screen size calculator for the Epson 5030UB. It can show you the range of throw distances vs. screen sizes for different aspect ratios.

While your at it, try to consider what aspect ratio content you watch the most. If most of what you watch is 2.35:1 movies, then you might want to consider a 2.35:1 screen. Of course, then you also want to consider a projector that can convert from 16:9 to 2.35:1 with a feature called "lens memory." The Panasonic AE-8000U is the projector to look at for that feature:
http://www.projectorpeople.com/Panas...rojector/27643
Here is the throw distance calculator for that projector:
http://www.projectorpeople.com/promo...sku=PT-AE8000U
(It doesn't have the wireless feature, but that's not insurmountable.)

Either one of those projectors will light up a 65" screen from 7 - 8' throw distance and provide a vivid and bright, beautiful image.

One last thing... when you are considering the budget for this, don't forget the projector mount. A good mount can be over $200. You'll need one that is able to accommodate an extension piece to allow the projector to be mounted below the ceiling fan, so a cheapo mount is probably not gonna work.

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I really thought that I saw in the description of those that they had lens shift. I guess I read the stats to quickly. TBH, I am not sure what the aspect ratio most of my stuff is in. I checked a few movies quick and I have a variety. Some are 1:85, 2:35, 2:40. But I don't know what the majority are. You have a 16:9 right? The difference in screen height is pretty dramatic between the two aspect ratios. A 16:9 is really "taller" then a 2:35 or similar aspect ratio TV. A 2:35 screen that is 58" requires a throw distance of 8' if used with the Panasonic. I like the fact that it is only 22" high. The Epson is almost identical. That's about 14in wider then my current TV but is really 3.8 in smaller in height then my current TV. A 16:9 screen would give me a 62" screen but would also make the height of the screen 30". Same width though. I think given the dramatic difference in height, a 2:35 screen would be the way to go. For a 63in screen at 2:35 ratio, it would require a throw distance of 8' 9". That might be pushing it. I would need more accurate measuring then I can do.

Now, for the most part it would just be me watching it with the screen so I guess the bigger 16:9 screen would be OK. But it is much bigger in overall size. A 60 in 2:35 would require a throw distance of 8' 3". You really think I could get a 65" screen in there? Considering that I would only be between 7-8 feet away from the screen? I am thinking that since I am so close, that 2:35 would work the best. Only because it isn't so freaking high. But again, I would need more accurate measurements of the depth I really have from the front of the rack to where my head would be. That is unless those distances are just "recommendations" and you think we can put a 60" or bigger 2:35 screen in my room.

Again, I am not sure what the majority of my films are though. Even some of the newer ones seem to vary. But because of the size of the room, even though I will be mostly watching movies with the screen by myself, maybe the 2:35 is best for me. Even if it means a slightly smaller screen? If you were me Craig, and you had my constraints of having to keep my TV in the room, which limits the distance from me to the screen, what would you pick.
Of course I would love the bigger display of a 16:9 but I am afraid that overall, it would look too big.

Getting to mounts quickly, do you think something like this would work?
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_i...seq=1&format=2
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http://www.projectorpeople.com/Musta...ccessory/27682

or
http://www.omnimount.com/products/ce...jector_mounts/
and
http://www.omnimount.com/products/ce...nts/npt_pipes/
None of those options are near $200 though.
I guess we would have to look for something that allows a pretty long extension. Do you have any other thoughts?

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The Epson and Panny have "zoom" lenses. Look at the blue box on the left side of the calculator. It shows the throw range vs. zoom setting. The default setting is the middle of the zoom range, and that is what shows up in the throw distance graph. However, you can zoom in more than that. Look at the top of the blue box. That shows the closest mounting position by zoom range. At the closest zoom setting on the Panny, and a 65" 16:9 screen, you can mount the projector 6' 4" away and still be within the zoom range. Now, reexamine all those other screen size options again.

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These are movies(mainly BR) that I am coming up with from memory. Some DVD's mixed in there
1:78 5
1:85 15(at least)
2:35 45
2:40 29
That is straining my brain. But you can see that most are 2:35-2:40. That list also includes DVD's. So it may make sense to try for a 2:35 screen if I try and do this.
P.S Craig, it took me a while to get this list. You posted your reply right before I did mine. I will check out what you wrote and try and figure it out.
So if I slide that bar all the way to the top it looks like it is 2x zoom. I see how that would allow a 65in screen. It's just the height of a 16x9 screen. It would be 32in high. The 2:35 screen would put that back to 24in high. But I guess since it would probably just be me, or me and just one or two other people who really don't get bothered by a screen like that, I could do a 16x9 screen. But how would all my 2:35 movies look like on a screen like that.

I guess the other key thing is how low the screen would have to drop so I don't have any neck strain. I don't know how to figure that out.

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Here are more of my rambling thoughts on this issue. I just watched Looper. That is a 2:35 film. Now, truth be told, I think the height of current TV is just about perfect. You can watch a movie with no neck strain and when you are reclined, it's still not to bad of an angle. To do a 2:35 screen would probably mean I would need a lot of material up above the screen itself to bring it to a comfortable viewing angle since the total height of the viewing area is not that tall. I could have the screen a little higher but not much. Now a 16x9 screen gives me more height so I may not have to lower the screen as much or crane my neck as much. But, it would look like a much larger screen. That's the thing now. How do I get the screen to be at eye level, or close enough to it so I am not straining my neck. I mean, it seems like it would have to be a pretty big screen in order for me not to have that issue.
Craig? thoughts.

Here is probably where I would "like" the screen to drop to. Maybe a little higher but not much. I have not measured but the top of the screen is probably close to 4 feet from my ceiling. With a 2:35 screen I would probably need a lot of "extra" non used screen area to get it to that level. A 16x9 probably wouldn't need as much, but it would still need some. Again, I am afraid of crane neck syndrome.


If you look at post 1017 you can see that 2:35 and 2:40 are running away with it. I am going to get a complete list just so I know for my self. But it does seem like a 2:35 screen would make sense for me.

Just one more thing. How would subtitles be portrayed on a 2:35 screen vs 16x9. I watch a few movies that have subtitles in them so I need to easily read them. I guess the main question is how does each one look on the other screen. How does a 2:35 movie look on a 16:9 screen and how does a 16:9 movie look on a 2:35 screen.
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Here are more of my rambling thoughts on this issue. I just watched Looper. That is a 2:35 film. Now, truth be told, I think the height of current TV is just about perfect. You can watch a movie with no neck strain and when you are reclined, it's still not to bad of an angle. To do a 2:35 screen would probably mean I would need a lot of material up above the screen itself to bring it to a comfortable viewing angle since the total height of the viewing area is not that tall. I could have the screen a little higher but not much. Now a 16x9 screen gives me more height so I may not have to lower the screen as much or crane my neck as much. But, it would look like a much larger screen. That's the thing now. How do I get the screen to be at eye level, or close enough to it so I am not straining my neck. I mean, it seems like it would have to be a pretty big screen in order for me not to have that issue.
Craig? thoughts.

Here is probably where I would "like" the screen to drop to. Maybe a little higher but not much. I have not measured but the top of the screen is probably close to 4 feet from my ceiling. With a 2:35 screen I would probably need a lot of "extra" non used screen area to get it to that level. A 16x9 probably wouldn't need as much, but it would still need some. Again, I am afraid of crane neck syndrome.


If you look at post 1017 you can see that 2:35 and 2:40 are running away with it. I am going to get a complete list just so I know for my self. But it does seem like a 2:35 screen would make sense for me.

Just one more thing. How would subtitles be portrayed on a 2:35 screen vs 16x9. I watch a few movies that have subtitles in them so I need to easily read them. I guess the main question is how does each one look on the other screen. How does a 2:35 movie look on a 16:9 screen and how does a 16:9 movie look on a 2:35 screen.
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Hi Mike if your going 2:35:1 screen invest into an oppo blu ray player which has subtitle shift plus there a great player too. A 2:35 movie on a 16:9 screen will look the same as you have know with your setup with black bars on top and bottom whilst a 16:9 movie on a 2:35 will have them on the sides, Well they will look like bars but your still using the whole projector LCD/LCOS panel full 1080P. The Black bars on top and bottom ( 2:35 movie on a 16:9 screen)actually on your projector LCD/LCOS panel so your not using full 1080P.

Are you looking at zooming or Anamorphic lens ?

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Thanks for stopping by frank. I no longer use the OPPO. I use a server now because of the ease of use and there is really no going back now. I think the Panasonic has a zooming feature if I need it. I would want to still use as much of the projector as I could. I really would like to stay as close as 1080p as possible. I do vaguely remember watching a video(may have been on avs) about how you can lose resolution depending on what type of display you choose. I am really leaning towards a 2:35 screen because I like the fact that height of the screen is not so extreme.

But I still need to work out if I can get the screen low enough so I won't have to really look up at it. That seems to be the issue with the size I want to get. I will need to lower the screen at least 3-4 feet before any of the main part of screen is my main field of vision. If that makes sense. So a 16x9 movie on a 2:35 screen will give me black bars o the side right? I think I saw that you can stretch it to fill the screen and the result did not look that bad. Again, I still working all these issues out and trying to see if it is worth it. I think that Lens memory should do what I want it to do right? I think you can set up the Panasonic so that it fills up the screen that way. It has "lens memory" which Craig mentioned above as something that "can convert from 16:9 to 2.35:1 "


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The projector is able to detect 2.35:1 and 16:9 sources and retrieve the stored setting automatically. The lens memory function lets you easily enjoy images with different image ratios on a wide 2.35:1 screen for an immersive theater-like experience

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