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Thanks for that great explanation Craig. It was very helpful. I was thinking of a 70in 2:35 screen to be honest with you. I think while it would look wide, the lack of height, when compared to a 16x9 screen would work in my favor. The only things that I watch that would not be 2:35 are TV shows like Deadwood. That is 1:77. But I could live with how that would look on the projector.

I assume that 1:77 is still some sort of wide screen aspect ratio. When I watch that, or 1:85 or standard 1:33 content on a 2:35 screen, that's when I would get the black bars on the side of the picture right? Are there any circumstances that would cause the "letter boxing" to appear like it does now on my TV? You know, top and bottom if I use a 2:35 screen? Now I would most likely use this for movies and barely use it for CATV.

I remember watching King Kong and LoTR on your screen. They looked really good. It was cool to have the entire screen filled up. Plus I do remember that Avatar had the black bars but on a screen your size, it was still very big and impressive.

Now as far as lowering the screen, Dennis must have seen my posts and he sent me an email. This is what he said:
"I saw your post about a projector/screen on AVS. It is totally possible to do a motorized AT screen in your size (I think you said 65" 2.35:1) through my screen company, Seymour AV. We program the drop to the perfect height for your room, and it would drop down right in front of your TV, then it will go back up with a touch of a button when you want to watch the smaller TV."

So that seems to me that it could be done. We would also have to figure out how to mount the projector and drop it below my fan. That would mean we would have to move my ceiling treatments forward a bit. I can't drop the ones on the back wall because that would leave zero space for my chairs. So that has to be looked into. But I would really love to do this. I know it's not a 170" 150" or 120" like you have, but I think a 70" would do me just fine . Your screen is awesome by the way and I can't imagine how big a room has to be to go much bigger then what you have. So now as you say I have to work on the FAF. We will work on that aspect in a little bit.

I don't want to get ahead of my self, but this could be really fun.

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Thanks for that great explanation Craig. It was very helpful. I was thinking of a 70in 2:35 screen to be honest with you. I think while it would look wide, the lack of height, when compared to a 16x9 screen would work in my favor. The only things that I watch that would not be 2:35 are TV shows like Deadwood. That is 1:77. But I could live with how that would look on the projector.

I assume that 1:77 is still some sort of wide screen aspect ratio. When I watch that, or 1:85 or standard 1:33 content on a 2:35 screen, that's when I would get the black bars on the side of the picture right? Are there any circumstances that would cause the "letter boxing" to appear like it does now on my TV? You know, top and bottom if I use a 2:35 screen? Now I would most likely use this for movies and barely use it for CATV.
Mike,

I just want to clear something up... maybe you understand this and are just using the terminology incorrectly, but I just want to be sure you really are understanding this.

I've bolded and changed the color of all the "ratios" in your post. These are not correctly stated. You have placed a colon where you should be placing a decimal point, (a period.) There is no such thing as a "2:35" aspect ratio. The aspect ratio, (AR), is the ratio of width to height. A "2:35" AR would be 2 units wide for 35 units tall. IOW, a 2' wide screen would be 35' tall. Obviously, that's not what you're referring to. What you mean is a 2.35:1 AR, (that's 2 POINT 35 to 1.) That would be 2.35 units wide for every 1 unit tall. IOW a screen that is 1' tall would be 2.35' wide. A screen that is 10' tall would be 23.5 ' wide. When you use the projector calculators that I previously linked, and you select a 2.35:1 AR, the calculator automatically calculates screen sizes and they are always in a ratio of 2.35 units of width to 1 unit of height. For example, a 72" 2.35:1 screen is 66" wide and 28" tall. Divide 66 by 28 and you get... 2.35. So that 72" screen is 2.35 "units" wide for every 1 unit it is tall, (or it's 2.35:1.)

The same is true for 1.78:1. A screen that is 1.78:1 is 1.78 units wide for every 1 unit it is tall. However, a screen that is 1.78:1 is also a 16 x 9, (or 16:9) AR. (Divide 16 by 9 and you get 1.78.) So, if a screen is 1.78 units wide for every unit it is tall, that's the exact same as saying it is 16 units wide for every 9 units it is tall. If you go to the projector calculator and select a 16:9, 72" screen, you get dimensions of 63" wide by 35" tall. Divide 63 by 35 and you get... 1.78.

1.78:1, (or 16:9) is the standard aspect ratio for HDTV. All flat panel TVs are 1.78:1 in their "native" aspect ratio. All HDTV set top boxes are 1.78:1 AR's. BluRay is 1.78:1 or 16 x 9. Many of these devices can also do other AR's, such as 4:3, or 2.35:1, but they do those other AR's by either stretching the image or by adding "blanking", (black bars.)

As I said, you may have understood all this and were just using the terminology incorrectly, substituting the colon for the period. If that's the case, then all you need to do is to begin using the terminology correctly. However, if this sheds some new light on your understanding of this stuff, you may want to go back and re-read my post from last night. It may make more sense to you now.

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First off this made me smile "A "2:35" AR would be 2 units wide for 35 units tall. IOW, a 2' wide screen would be 35' tall. " That would be some screen. Yes, I knew what it meant, I just mistakenly mixed up placement the two punctuation. I knew there was a colon in there some place. I like the fact that 2.35:1(HA!) screen is not as tall a 1.78:1(double HA!!) screen. The difference between the two, for a 72" screen is pretty close in width. the 2.35 would be 66" wide. My current TV is 40" wide so the 2.35 screen is 50% wider. The 16x9 would be 63"wide. But the height is big difference. 28" compared to 35". Those seven inches are a lot I think in my room. So a 2.35 screen I think would look more at home in my small room.

With a setup like that, as you said, a 2.35:1 movie would take up the entire screen but everything else would have black bars. It seems like you are saying that some projectors can manipulate the movie or show to fill up the entire screen. Is that right? I know it would probably "distort" the image right? But I would still be curious as to what it would look like. Maybe because I would have a "small" screen it would not be that bad. Well, we will cross that bridge if we come to it.

Some BR are 1.78:1 but many are 2.35:1 or 2.40:1. As I listed before, it looks like a lot of my stuff is 2.35:1 or 2.40:1. So it makes sense to get that kind of screen and just deal with the other aspect ratios that are different. I have stuff with just about every aspect ratio. 1.33:1, 1.78:1, 1.85:1, 2.35:1 and 2.40:1. So some of those would have bigger black bars on the sides then the others, unless I try and "stretch" the image. I wonder how the 1.33 content would look on a screen like that. I am sure the others wouldn't look that bad but I am not sure of the 1.33.
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I have another question only this one is audio. The majority of BR disks have some sort of "High Rez" audio. Either TRUHD, DTS-MA or LPCM. Now I do have one or two BR disks that don't have that choice. I bought RED. I happen to like it. It has action and my kind of humor. Now there were two versions but I did not know that when I bought it. The one I bought says it has an audio track that is Dolby Digital 5.1 48 kHz 640 kbps. My T3 is the same way. Is that a higher level of Dolby Digital than would be on a regular DVD? Because both disks still sound really good on my system. I was just curious.

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One more thing. It seems like in an early post it was indicated that the aspect ratio could be changed with the epson. But some users who posted reviews of the projector seemed to have different thoughts:
"Note - CON = Unit has limitation on trying to adjust aspect ratio to fit your screen. While the screen can adjust side to side, trying to shrink top and bottom does not work in HDMI mode much. If you use RGB Cables then you have more flexibility on shrinking and adjusting the image to your screen. I have a 160" screen and picture goes outside of my boarder . I had 3 AV Technicans tried to fit into my screen but were not able to get it all inside the screen even using technical support from Epson. Again, before you build or setup your screen, Call Epson first and tell them the size of your screen and they will be able to tell you how far to but projector back to fit your screen. I would suggest you setup the unit first and then build your screen around it. Also, Unit does NOT come with a mounting kit ."

"I have a 160" screen and picture goes outside of my boarder "

"The only complaint I have so far is that if doesn't let me adjust the aspect ratio when the input is HDMI. Some of my sources are not 9:16, maybe even 4:3 and the 5500 let me change the aspect ratio so people don't look fat. the 5030 locks me out from making corrections. Too bad, that takes off a point when watching those particular programs."

Now I know it has been said that I can watch my stuff with just a little adjustment. Are these issues I would have to worry about? Again, I just need to be sure. I can not afford a really expensive projector that may deal with these issues differently so I need to know for sure that the stuff I watch that is not 2.35:1 won't look like crap.

Edit: The Panny also says something about not being able to totally adjust the picture when using a HDMI signal. I just need to make sure that these work the way I need them to work.

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If you want to do a 2.35:1 screen, forget the Epson. It doesn't have lens memory, so you would need to manually adjust the lens every time you wanted to change AR's. The Panny has lens memory, so with 1 button push on the remote, the AR changes automatically.

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Edit: The Panny also says something about not being able to totally adjust the picture when using a HDMI signal. I just need to make sure that these work the way I need them to work.
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Link please.
http://www.audiogeneral.com/Panasoni...00u_manual.pdf
Page 62 of the manual. Zoom and V-Fit are not available using an HDMI signal. I don't know if those are ones I would be using.
But this video is pretty nice at explaining the "auto change" for the aspect ratios. You have to scroll down for the vid.
http://www.projectorpeople.com/Panas...rojector/27643
Maybe I am wrong about how we would use the Panny. But I think the Epson doesn't have those HDMI limitations.
P.S I saw your post about the epson after I read the one about wanting the link. I definitely want it automated so if that leaves the epson out, so be it.

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I have another question only this one is audio. The majority of BR disks have some sort of "High Rez" audio. Either TRUHD, DTS-MA or LPCM. Now I do have one or two BR disks that don't have that choice. I bought RED. I happen to like it. It has action and my kind of humor. Now there were two versions but I did not know that when I bought it. The one I bought says it has an audio track that is Dolby Digital 5.1 48 kHz 640 kbps. My T3 is the same way. Is that a higher level of Dolby Digital than would be on a regular DVD? Because both disks still sound really good on my system. I was just curious.

Having an audio track that is Dolby Digital 5.1 48 kHz 640 kbps (i.e. using Dolby Digital instead of Dolby TrueHD) means that the disc contains what's called a "lossy" soundtrack. In other words, the movie's soundtrack was compressed using Dolby software which discards sounds that would be difficult to hear in order to cram as much as it could into a fixed bitrate recording. 640Kbps is quite high: it's 50% more than the highest data rate used by Dolby Digital audio tracks on DVDs. As a result, relatively little has to be discarded, and many people are unable to tell the difference between it and a lossless TrueHD audio track.
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Is it more economical to do it that way? I will say that RED and Terminator 3 both sound really good even though they have that audio format instead of a TrueHD sound track. I guess I was not used to seeing just Dolby Digital or DTS displayed on my Integra while I am watching a BR movie. The only other format I have seen was LPCM tracks which I believe are Lossless. That says Multch when I am watching a movie with that audio format.

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Is it more economical to do it that way?
Maybe. I dunno for sure. My guess is that they might be cheaper because less has to be recorded on the disc. (Supposedly disks which contain Dolby TrueHD audio tracks also have a "hidden" Dolby Digital track, too, so they can be played when an HDMI connection isn't available.)

How did you obtain the Red and T3 discs?

Another possibility is that the discs with DD tracks originally were intended for the rental market. Some rental BDs (like Netflix) contain only DD audio tracks although the corresponding purchased versions have lossless audio. Often the "extras" are omitted from rentals, too.

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I will say that RED and Terminator 3 both sound really good even though they have that audio format instead of a TrueHD sound track. I guess I was not used to seeing just Dolby Digital or DTS displayed on my Integra while I am watching a BR movie. The only other format I have seen was LPCM tracks which I believe are Lossless. That says Multch when I am watching a movie with that audio format.
Yup. LPCM is lossless. It's the data format used by the original movie soundtracks. The various Dolby and DTS encoders are used by the mixing houses to compress the LPCM files so they'll take up less space on the disc.

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I bought RED and T3 at FYE. When you go to this page
http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/St...A&pSize=50&p=1
and you search for RED, you will see two versions. One is a "special ed" that has a DTS-MA sound track and the "regular" one the I bought
that says Dolby Digital 5.1 48 kHz 640 kbps. That is the one I bought. T3 only has one version and it says Dolby Digital 5.1 48 kHz 640 kbps. So they are not rentals or any other version.
BTW, that site is really cool for looking up movies. You can search on so many parameters.
This is the main page
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But the previous link is great because it has all those filters on top. Or you can search for a specific movie by going to "searches". It has been useful to me for seeing what movies have what what audio.
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Thanks for the info.

I have T3 but I simply can't remember if it's DVD or BD. I'll check this evening.

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Like I mentioned. They both sound and look great. I really can't complain that much. The action is still powerful in these films. I guess I was just surprised that's all. I made the assumption that all BR would have TRUHD or DTS-MA as the audio. I did not even think that they would put other audio formats on there.

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I just checked my collection of Teminator discs. I have BDs of all four of them. I was somewhat amused to discover that they all have different audio encodings for the primary (English) soundtracks.
T1: PCM 5.1
T2: Dolby Digital EX & DTS-HD MA 6.1
T3: DD 5.1
T4: DTS-HD MA 5.1

As you say, T3's audio is fine I wish I could say as much for the plot.

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I think I mentioned this before, but T3 is just one big action sequence in my mind. Good eye and ear candy. It's pretty interesting about the audio. I do find it somewhat amusing that in an industry that would seem to benefit from standards that there are so many audio and video variations out there.
As an example, There was an interview with someone from the video world on this site. He mentioned that many films have the black bars in the theater and the curtains covered them up. Well, I saw the movie Get On Up. During the coming attractions I noticed black bars on the top and bottom of the screen. But when the movie started there was no movement on the curtains and the picture took up the entire screen. I guess that means it's a 16x9 film. There are just too many things we as consumers have to take into consideration. Not a rant, just an observation.

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I just want to add one more thing that bothers me and then I will be done. How come we have so much disparity in audio on disks. Take the "bad" disks, most recently Star Trek ITD. How come that turned out so bad. It had a lot of clipping and it seemed to be filtered. At least that's what people say and measurements seem to back this up. My question is why. How come these tracks aren't run through some analyzer before they go on the disk to check for clipping etc... I can't think it would be that hard. Why isn't there a standard for that. I know mixers like to do their own thing and I guess that's fine. But there should still be some sort of quality control before a track get's OK'ed for the disk. That's just my thought.
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Mike, there are no real standards for things like clipping because there are artistic choices for its utilization (eg. The jets on those big... things in Tron Legacy and Iron Man's repulsors).

Occasionally, it's also intentionally used to make things 'sound' louder because the harshness of hard clipping seems louder even if the actual SPLs are the same as a non-clipped signal.

Unfortunately, this also means that it can occur when it's not intended or desirable because someone wanted to 'crank it up' and different people have varying sensitivity to clipping.

Take the train crash from Super 8 for instance. I fell in the group that dislikes that scene because of the harshness and clipping coupled with the marked lack of ULF, but many folks happily proclaimed it an awesome demo.


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The train crash certainly is a good example. I also think the bus attack in Super 8 is another one where it is really loud. But I think like movies in the Bat Man trilogy, or The Amazing Spiderman or the Sherlock Holms movies and a whole bunch of others show how it can be done right. I just watch a few Episodes of The Pacific and they sounded outstanding. It's a shame that we can't get some sort of common theme with audio. Oh well. I just end up turning it down if I sense it it one of those and I still enjoy it. On one end, I just lowered the new Star Trek movie and it was fine. On the other end, I just turn up Avatar and The Avengers or The Man of Steel and I am fine with the result. I guess I just wanted a standard. But I get what you are saying.
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I am just throwing spit balls here so correct me if I am wrong. I setup VLC to play back my regular DVD's. When I see the audio Craig said that I would get whatever audio I ripped but that I would not know what it is. That's fine since I only rip one audio per disk. Now I have been having a hell of a time getting Thor The Dark World to display "forced" subtitles in Jriver. I have tried just about every combo I can think of. I checked off everything and still it would not work. But, I played it in the VLC player and I was getting closed captions and forced subtitles. My question id if I can get it to display the forced subtitles correctly in VLC, and it says MULTICH on the front of my Integra, does that mean that I am still getting the high rez audio that I ripped? If it does then I am golden. I will just use VLC to watch Thor 2. It still looks great to me.

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Thought I posted an update but I did not. I was so frustrated with Thor 2 I had just about given up. Then I saw in another thread where a user named desertdome built a custom server for one of the HToTM. He seemed very knowledgeable about home theater computers and Jriver which I use. So, I took a shot and sent him a PM asking for his help. Through many PM's, we were able to work through the issue and now forced subtitles work on Thor 2. It was pretty complex and I would have never been able to figure it out on my own. So, even though he probably won't see it, I wanted to thank him for all his help in this.

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You know, I do try new things after I let them rest. After watching the video with Dennis E I wanted to listen to my system again. He is obviously a very intelligent man when it comes to audio. But I have to disagree with him on one point. He said that it was impossible to get great or even good 2ch and HT sound in the same room. He said that one would be severely compromised. He said that using one of the "modes" that extract multi-channel sound from a 2ch source is much better than trying to listen to 2ch music in a HT system. I may get slammed for this but I don't agree. In my room I prefer the "direct" mode when listening to music. The only modes that sound OK are DTS neo X for music and all channel stereo. All the others sound OK but really don't sound "better" than straight 2ch. With these other modes I get zero sound from my surrounds so all I get is the front three speakers and nothing else. It sounds fine but then so does the solid phantom center I get when I put it in direct mode. I don't know why I don't get anything from surrounds with these modes. But, as I said before, if it is a 5.1 SACD or DVD-A I do get great sound from the surrounds I enjoy it very much. But trying to make 2ch into more than that in my room just does not work. So here I have to respectfully disagree that a matrix mode is always best because you can't have great 2ch and HT in the same room. To me, 2ch sounds really good and so do movies. But maybe I am wrong. Anyway, I just wanted to say that.

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I have a question about my Crowson setup. Right now I have one Crowson connected to this amp.
http://www.thebuttkicker.com/bka1000-n
So that's 1000 watts to the single Crowson. I am very careful now with the level and have zero issues since I fried it the first time. I do have a few questions though. It looks like from that page you can power more than one buttkicker(in my case Crowson) off that amp. I guess that does answer my first question of if it can be done. My second question is how would you do that. Also, what happens to the power output to each Crowson if that were to be done. If it lowers the power to each one I may think about getting another one. I am just wondering.
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Hi Mike,

Hope all is going well.
I have that same exact BKA amp and I have 2 of the Crowson Actuators- Shadow 8 model. The Shadow 8 version are 8ohms and can handle 500 watts each.
The specification of that ButtKicker Amp state that it’s 1000 Watts into 4ohms and 1900watts into 2ohms.
I have the Crowson Shadow 8 actuators wired in Parallel so it’s a 4ohm load on the BKA amp.

See Parallel and Series wiring below:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-zTLrccYB1IT/learn/learningcenter/car/amplifiers_faq.html#18

This works quite well for my set up but I think I remember you stating you have an older version of the Crowson Actuators. If so, you may want to contact RandolphCrowson and ask what the specs are for the one you have, if he still has those in stock and how or if he would recommend running 2 off the BKA amp.

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So Claude, you said you are running them in parallel. Does that mean that each one gets more then 1000 watts from the Butt Kicker? What I am looking to do is lower the power to the Crowson. I mean, I have it setup pretty solid now. I have the level of the amp at around 3. I don't think I am running the risk of blowing it out again. So I probably have the full 1000 watts going to that one Crowson.

But that sweep in the beginning of Edge of Tomorrow had me concerned. I don't know if you have tried that film but I recommend it highly. Just know that the sweep is insane. With dual SubMersives and the Crownsons it should be quite fun. Just don't run it too hot at that point. After that you can raise the level. My goal was to potentially lower the power to it. I was just wondering if adding another one would do that. So I would need to wire them in series to get what I want right?

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So Claude, you said you are running them in parallel. Does that mean that each one gets more then 1000 watts from the Butt Kicker? What I am looking to do is lower the power to the Crowson. I mean, I have it setup pretty solid now. I have the level of the amp at around 3. I don't think I am running the risk of blowing it out again. So I probably have the full 1000 watts going to that one Crowson.

But that sweep in the beginning of Edge of Tomorrow had me concerned. I don't know if you have tried that film but I recommend it highly. Just know that the sweep is insane. With dual SubMersives and the Crownsons it should be quite fun. Just don't run it too hot at that point. After that you can raise the level. My goal was to potentially lower the power to it. I was just wondering if adding another one would do that. So I would need to wire them in series to get what I want right?
Mike,

With an amp level setting of 3, I don't think you need to worry about burning out the transducer, even on short burst, high intensity stuff like the EOT intro. When the transducer burned out the last time, I suspect the level setting was too high for a significant amount of time. That will cause the transducer to heat up and burn out. But short bursts shouldn't cause that problem. Just don't listen to the EOT intro over and over 20 times with the level setting at 5 or higher, and you should be fine.

Also, your transducer is an older 4 Ohm model. The current model is 8 Ohms. If you really think you need a 2nd transducer, you should talk to Randy and see if they'll play nice together. If not, you may want to look for another 4 Ohm unit., or trade in your 4 Ohm model and get 2 8 Ohm models.

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Mike,

With dual Crowson Shadow 8 running in parallel, that means they are getting a totalof 1000wats. So each is getting ½ that or500 watts each.

I have seen EOT and the beginning of that movie down right crazy even at well below my normal listening levels it’s too hot for my taste. IMHO, I would not judge that one scene as a reason to upgrade. There are a lot of guys in the DIY section of this forum and in the Databass forum that have been talking about that scene being very strong and most of those guys are running Very potent Subwoofer set-ups.


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Thanks guys. I really don't think I need a second one. Having two on one chair like I have would be insane. I just wanted to know if it was "safer" to have two because it would cut the power to each one. But if one is 4ohms and the newer one is 8ohms who knows how they would react. Also, I am not buying two new ones just for this. I think the best thing for me to continue doing is follow here and on the data bass website for potential sub killers and act accordingly. But that part really took me by surprise. You would not believe the shake I got from that sweep.

I know I did it to myself because I wanted a server, and I would not go back, but I just wish there was a way I could have the Crowson not tied to the MV so I could go higher than -20 or -18 on some movies if I wanted to. But that's the compromise I chose. I know I have the level really low on the Butt Kicker amp but I really don't want to blowup another one. The problem is you can't experiment because if you are wrong on the level it is one and done.
Thanks guys. That was helpful . And yes Craig, I will behave.

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Saturday Craig was nice enough to come for a bit. About two weeks ago, he said how about I come over Sat and we do some watching on your system. Well, of course I said that would be great. So Craig came over at about 11:00 and left about 4:00. Now, knowing he was coming over I asked if we could just do some quick testing. I did not want that to take up too much time because normally when he comes over, all we end up doing is connecting something I bought or setting something else up and we really have not watched to many full movies in my room. It's normally just clips. That changed on Sat though. More on that later.

So first when I replied back I asked if he would mind taking some measurements. I thought something was wrong but I did not know what it was. Whenever I would run test tones with my Integra I never got a reading on my Rat Shack SPL meter. It would always say "low". I knew something was wrong but I did not know what it was. Craig brought over his own analog spl meter. Long story short, the problem I was having was that my digital spl meter was broke . So there was nothing wrong with my system. Let this be a lesson. When you measure, make sure what you are using is working properly.

So once I got the egg off my face, we realized that I was pretty much setup fine. We made some adjustments to the levels so that all the speakers were at 75db and I think we set the sub to 78db. Then, for some reason, which I can't remember, we made some changes with my SMS-1. It was a little more work because I did not have the mic on hand but Craig used his laptop. So we did some tests and he made some adjustments in there as well. Then after that we ran Audyssey. It seems every time we do it, Craig learned a new trick. So we ran it, Craig did some tweaks. After that it sounded insane.

Craig sat in the center seat with the Crowson. First we just listened to one or two songs. He said the center image was really good. It sounded great from where I was sitting as well. Craig saw that one speaker was moved a bit so he went in and adjusted the distance. That made a big difference. Then we were able to watched X-Men Days of Future Past. I know I say this every time, but my system has never sounded better. Because of the new calibration(I don't know what was different), we were able to listen to it with the level higher then I have listened before. I think we were at -13. It sounded incredible. It was so smooth and the highs all the way to bass was just fantastic. Craig was in the Crowson seat so he got that extra shake. I think he liked what we ended up with. It was really tough though to do the setup because there was a lot of traffic right outside my window and we were worried that it would mess the calibration up. But that really did not mess anything up thankfully.

I am really impressed with how great my system sounds now. I am back to not wishing I had other speakers. I hope Craig comes in here and maybe posts some of his thoughts on my system . Anyway, it was a great day. After Craig left I watched Snow White and The Huntsman. Sound=awesome. Then I also watched a little of Die Hard 5. Sound=incredible. So thanks again Craig. You helped bring my system up a few more levels.

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Hi Mike,

I just got home from work and saw this. I'm too tired to put up much of a post right now, but I'll get back here in the next day or two and post some of my thoughts.

In the meantime, I hate to rub salt in the wound... but...












... That was sure a fun game to watch last night!!!



Sorry, I just had to...

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You have every right to say what you want. That was a straight up ass whoppin. Aaron is just unbelievable. We don't get to see him that often but he is the man. I have nothing but respect for him and the Pack. In fact, they are probably my second favorite team because of Brett and now Aaron. You guys are going to be very tough to beat if you can keep this up. I know your run D is suspect but it sure looked good to me. If you guys stabilize that, I don't know who can beat you when you play at that level. I guess Aaron was right. Every one just needed to
"R" "E" "L" "A" "X".

OK. Enough football. I am looking forward to seeing some of your thoughts on Sat .

I will just add that I was able to listen to more music yesterday. It sounds even better then it did before. I don't know why but the lyrics are even clearer now. The bass is better and there is even a little sparkle up top that wasn't there before. All in all, I am extremely happy with how music sounds now. Even in bypass mode but in stereo mode it sounds really good. Maybe it was the distance thing. Maybe it was re running Audyssey. Maybe it was the changes we did in the SMS-1. Who knows. But music sounds insanely good know. I can't wait to watch a few more movies and listen to some music.

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