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Glad to see that the measurements and placement helped out. I know for me, we went though a similar process. Craig and Dennis were not happy with the response they were getting with my sub in the back corner. They asked if they could move it out of the corner. I said sure, if you think it would help. Well, it did. I think that made EQ'ing the sub much easier. Anyway, glad to see that the room keeps on getting better and better.

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Glad to see that the measurements and placement helped out. I know for me, we went though a similar process. Craig and Dennis were not happy with the response they were getting with my sub in the back corner. They asked if they could move it out of the corner. I said sure, if you think it would help. Well, it did. I think that made EQ'ing the sub much easier. Anyway, glad to see that the room keeps on getting better and better.

The flexibility to move subs around is essential to making the most of measuring! Your flexibility gained you a room that you love. I had to move mine around to various places from corners to along the sidewalls, searching for the right measurements. Finally found the sweet spots somewhat close to their original locations, albeit with a completely different angle. The audible result? In a word: groovey cool.gif
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The flexibility to move subs around is essential to making the most of measuring! Your flexibility gained you a room that you love. I had to move mine around to various places from corners to along the sidewalls, searching for the right measurements. Finally found the sweet spots somewhat close to their original locations, albeit with a completely different angle. The audible result? In a word: groovey cool.gif
I agree it takes awhile to get the right spots

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I agree it takes awhile to get the right spots

Yeah man.....how much does Audyssey Pro Differ from normal xt32? Im thinking about taking that route.
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Yeah man.....how much does Audyssey Pro Differ from normal xt32? Im thinking about taking that route.
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a)4. What are the differences between the Audyssey Pro Kit and regular MultEQ?

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The Pro mic is supplied with a calibration file unique to that particular mic and this results in an accuracy of +/- 0.5dB, as compared with the +/- 2dB of the 'consumer' versions of MultEQ. More accurate measurement makes for more accurate filters and therefore the likelihood of a superior resolution to your room's acoustic problems.

Audyssey Pro allows for up to 32 measurement positions against the maximum of 8 in the 'consumer' versions. This is very useful when measuring and calibrating large or oddly shaped rooms where sampling a bigger area of the room can often lead to a more accurate final result.

The extra processing power of the computer Pro runs on is used to analyse the data. One result of that is, unlike any other version of Audyssey MultEQ, different potential crossovers are ranked to optimise the splice with the satellites. Then, once you chose a crossover, again unlike any other version of Audyssey MultEQ, a unique high-pass filter is applied, optimised for that crossover.*

Unlike any other version of Audyssey MultEQ, Pro allows you to save your measurements and then reload them at any time. You can save as many measurement files as your computer has room for (effectively a limitless number) and this can be very useful in allowing the freedom to try different measurements, mic positions etc, without the fear of 'losing forever' a known good calibration. If you dislike the new result, simply reload the previous one. By reloading a measurement file, an existing calibration can be fine-tuned by changing crossover selections and target curves, and by using the Curve Editor.

Audyssey Pro creates a set of graphs (see right) showing the frequency response of each speaker measured in the room before calibration and the predicted result after calibration. The 'before' graphs can (and should) be used to 'measure your current system's performance' especially if you have no other means to do so. To make this easier and faster, you can run the minimum 3 mic position measurements. Another tip to make this easier is to use minimum configurations, ie select only Front Right/Left +Centre Channel to optimise placement of those speakers. Then add the sub(s) to do the sub(s). Once things look good in each respective 'before' graph, start over with all speakers selected and do a full run. The motto here is that the better the placement of speakers prior to running Audyssey Pro, the b etter the result is likely to be after running Audyssey Pro.

Audyssey Pro also allows you to tweak the target curves using the Curve Editor. You can initially select from 3 different target curves (see j) x), choose whether to apply Midrange Compensation (see j) x) and finally you can customise your chosen curve using the Curve Editor (see j) x). You can use the same (reloaded) measurement file to create the custom curves - there is no need to re-run the calibration.



*Note that because the high pass filters are customised to the xover, theoretically one should not be as cavalier about changing crossovers in the AVR without first loading a Pro calibration created with that crossover selected.

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I could tell a huge difference when I had my room calibrated with Audyssey Pro, especially my new media room. IMO, it is well worth the cost of aquiring the license to do it. Or in my case, paying for the license and letting my go to calibrator work his magic..biggrin.gif
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Yeah man.....how much does Audyssey Pro Differ from normal xt32? Im thinking about taking that route.

As Craig John posted.

Definitely worth it but I find it very time consuming.

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I think if you have a big room, with multiple seats, the pro cal is probably worth it. For me(hopefully Craig will chime in) I think we did the max for standard XT32. That was 8 position for the mic. I think. In a very tight bubble (just like Craig did). I don't know what a pro cal would do for me. I mean, I have two seats, I am really the only one who cares to this level of SQ. In my small room, with how good I already measure, I wonder it's worth the effort. Probably not. But for a bigger room, with more seats, it would probably make a bigger difference. I know that it allows you to fine tune things even more (.E around the crossover point so that may make a difference.) But I also know that it would probably take even longer then the regular XT32 did. I just wonder if it's worth it to get maybe a few percentage points higher when I am already happy. I can't see how it could make it worse and I admit, given what I just said, part of me is saying, I wonder... smile.gif.

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From the Audyssey Pro FAQ:
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Thanks for that info Craig. Perfect explanation. It's the newfound love i've discovered for the measurable technical aspects of this audio hobby that have me thinking about the Pro route. Next up, I'm going to try to gain an understanding of the intricacies of video calibration (May even go get certified somewhere during a vacation week.)

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I could tell a huge difference when I had my room calibrated with Audyssey Pro, especially my new media room. IMO, it is well worth the cost of aquiring the license to do it. Or in my case, paying for the license and letting my go to calibrator work his magic..biggrin.gif

Glad you're all set up in the new place!!! If I went this route, I'd definitely have to get the license, as I am a habitual tweaker. lol. I hope you got that Lumagen set up for the 16:9-->2:35 NLS.

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Definitely worth it but I find it very time consuming.

I can imagine that. That's a lot of positions, and with each position holding the potential for increased accuracy, it can be a battle of will to determine when to stop clicking "Next Measurement." Also, I'm finally getting Tom Huffman to update my Lumagen/RS45 calibration to match the new Stewart Studiotek 130 G3 and also to finally get calibrated for 3D as well. He did a remarkable job with the Lumagen/JVC combo with my last screen, and I know this update will make my grin even wider when I watch movies. biggrin.gif

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I think if you have a big room, with multiple seats, the pro cal is probably worth it. For me(hopefully Craig will chime in) I think we did the max for standard XT32. That was 8 position for the mic. I think. In a very tight bubble (just like Craig did). I don't know what a pro cal would do for me. I mean, I have two seats, I am really the only one who cares to this level of SQ. In my small room, with how good I already measure, I wonder it's worth the effort. Probably not. But for a bigger room, with more seats, it would probably make a bigger difference. I know that it allows you to fine tune things even more (.E around the crossover point so that may make a difference.) But I also know that it would probably take even longer then the regular XT32 did. I just wonder if it's worth it to get maybe a few percentage points higher when I am already happy. I can't see how it could make it worse and I admit, given what I just said, part of me is saying, I wonder... smile.gif.

You raise an interesting point, Mike. Is it a worthwhile investment for small rooms? Hmmm...I only have three theater seats in mine--perhaps multiEqxt32 is enough (it's certianly wow-ing me now.)...ah, time to start the research process. BTW, what did you think of the three Sumersives at the meet you went to? Three!!! Makes me want to pursue another F2...
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What a boost these reclining theater seats give to the "theater" experience!!!
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Pic of the new Home Theater Seating:

What a boost these reclining theater seats give to the "theater" experience!!!

Very nice looking seats there Matt. Congratulations they suit the room very well. Good colour choice too. smile.gif

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You raise an interesting point, Mike. Is it a worthwhile investment for small rooms? Hmmm...I only have three theater seats in mine--perhaps multiEqxt32 is enough (it's certianly wow-ing me now.)...ah, time to start the research process. BTW, what did you think of the three Sumersives at the meet you went to? Three!!! Makes me want to pursue another F2...
I had to leave before they got the SubMersive part of the test. But I have heard Craig's setup with three SubMersive HP's dispersed throughout the room and it was quite the experience. Had a lot of impact and power. BTW, those seats do look really nice. What kind are they(name)? I agree that adding recliners does do something cool to a home theater room. Mine are small, with no cup holders but they are very comfortable and the leather is just outstanding.

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Very nice looking seats there Matt. Congratulations they suit the room very well. Good colour choice too. smile.gif
I must agree with every word Franin said!! smile.gif
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Very nice looking seats there Matt. Congratulations they suit the room very well. Good colour choice too. smile.gif

Thanks Frank! I searched high and low for seats to fit my needs. I stumbled upon these at just the right time.
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I had to leave before they got the SubMersive part of the test. But I have heard Craig's setup with three SubMersive HP's dispersed throughout the room and it was quite the experience. Had a lot of impact and power. BTW, those seats do look really nice. What kind are they(name)? I agree that adding recliners does do something cool to a home theater room. Mine are small, with no cup holders but they are very comfortable and the leather is just outstanding.

Gracias! I appreciate the kind words Mike....these are from Coaster's Pavilion line. The value is a downright steal for three of these in a curved row configuration.
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I must agree with every word Franin said!! smile.gif

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Gracias! I appreciate the kind words Mike....these are from Coaster's Pavilion line. The value is a downright steal for three of these in a curved row configuration.

Just found them online. They look really good. I am sure they are very comfortable as well.

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Wow I could go to sleep in those, very nice. That room is really starting to take on the theater room appeal. Keep it up!
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Pic of the new Home Theater Seating:

What a boost these reclining theater seats give to the "theater" experience!!!

And the "toe-in" is a good idea, plus a nice look. And they appear to be comfortable, a plus for sure.
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Pic of the new Home Theater Seating:

What a boost these reclining theater seats give to the "theater" experience!!!

Very Cool !! Brolic that room has come along in a great way!!

I have to assume the center seat is yours lol!!!
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I can imagine that. That's a lot of positions, and with each position holding the potential for increased accuracy, it can be a battle of will to determine when to stop clicking "Next Measurement." Also, I'm finally getting Tom Huffman to update my Lumagen/RS45 calibration to match the new Stewart Studiotek 130 G3 and also to finally get calibrated for 3D as well. He did a remarkable job with the Lumagen/JVC combo with my last screen, and I know this update will make my grin even wider when I watch movies. biggrin.gif

Well the good thing about it is I guess for me and you we don't have to do 32 pos, bugger that. I got away at the end with 11 pos and I'm happy with the results.
It's good to get projector calibrated as the difference will be seen clearly, my hours are still very low and the THX mode is not that bad at all. The lumagen is an awesome video processor which I bet gets upgraded regularly with firmware upgrades while the dvdo duo barley gets looked at anymore by dvdo. I think they gave up on it frown.gif
I would like to learn one day how to video calibrate my own gear, it will save me a lot of $$$

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Well the good thing about it is I guess for me and you we don't have to do 32 pos, bugger that. I got away at the end with 11 pos and I'm happy with the results.
It's good to get projector calibrated as the difference will be seen clearly, my hours are still very low and the THX mode is not that bad at all. The lumagen is an awesome video processor which I bet gets upgraded regularly with firmware upgrades while the dvdo duo barley gets looked at anymore by dvdo. I think they gave up on it frown.gif
I would like to learn one day how to video calibrate my own gear, it will save me a lot of $$$

Yes, the last Duo firmware update I know of was August last year. The Radiance Mini 3D has had a bunch of updates. i looked at the update history (similar for the other processors, by the way). There are no dates, though, so I don't know when the last one was. But in general, as the Lumagens are more expensive than the Duo, the support should be better.
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Just found them online. They look really good. I am sure they are very comfortable as well.

They are very comfortable.....even more so than the sofa that they replaced!
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And the "toe-in" is a good idea, plus a nice look. And they appear to be comfortable, a plus for sure.

Its funny.....i didn't even realize it at the time, but this group of 3 actually came in a curved configuration, so thankfully i didnt need to do any manual toe-in.
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Very Cool !! Brolic that room has come along in a great way!!
I have to assume the center seat is yours lol!!!

Thanks man! Yes!!! The center seat is my main seat! Although sitting off to either side reminds me just how large the screen is.
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Wow I could go to sleep in those, very nice. That room is really starting to take on the theater room appeal. Keep it up!

Thank you kindly Sir! biggrin.gif Btw, im getting ready to do a new build w/ three GTX 680's for this room man!!!!
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Well the good thing about it is I guess for me and you we don't have to do 32 pos, bugger that. I got away at the end with 11 pos and I'm happy with the results.
It's good to get projector calibrated as the difference will be seen clearly, my hours are still very low and the THX mode is not that bad at all. The lumagen is an awesome video processor which I bet gets upgraded regularly with firmware upgrades while the dvdo duo barley gets looked at anymore by dvdo. I think they gave up on it frown.gif
I would like to learn one day how to video calibrate my own gear, it will save me a lot of $$$

Yeah man, the Lumagen gets pretty frequent updates. We just got one that allows fine-tuning of calibration at intervals set within a125 point scale. I'm glad you dont use all 32 points of measurement....I think 11 points is the right amount For your room man.

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Yes, the last Duo firmware update I know of was August last year. The Radiance Mini 3D has had a bunch of updates. i looked at the update history (similar for the other processors, by the way). There are no dates, though, so I don't know when the last one was. But in general, as the Lumagens are more expensive than the Duo, the support should be better.

Yeah the Lumagens are worth the premium charge man....I think the update files on the website have the dates in their filenames....I dont remember for sure though.
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I would be nervous as heck with all the stuff you have.. My stuff would be on the second floor if I was in your situation.. eek.gif
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I would be nervous as heck with all the stuff you have.. My stuff would be on the second floor if I was in your situation.. eek.gif

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Thank you kindly Sir! biggrin.gif Btw, im getting ready to do a new build w/ three GTX 680's for this room man!!!!

AH, sounds awesome. Any idea on what else you'll be using? Also, I plan on doing something similiar to my new build with more than likely 7970 Ghz editions in x-fire. I'm getting the itch to do someting again so I better hurry up lol.
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Take care Matt, be careful mate didn't realise you we're in it's path also.

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I would be nervous as heck with all the stuff you have.. My stuff would be on the second floor if I was in your situation.. eek.gif

I agree

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