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Dennis,
Do you remember what scene in How to Train Your Dragon sent the amp into protection mode? I only ask as there is one scene at the very end when the giant dragon crashes to the ground and that has very high/hot content down to 2hz eek.gifeek.gif I was just curious to see if it was that scene.

This was a quote taken from the databass forum about that very scene: "The signal asks your speakers to play back a 2Hz tone at 117.8dB at one point."

Hi Bunga99,

Yes, it was that scene exactly - the one where the giant dragon comes crashing out of the cliff-side cave. So I'm sure the infrasonic content in that scene had a lot to do with sending my amp into protection mode too. biggrin.gif

In checking with the techs at Noble Electronics (they service Enlightened Audio Design - EAD gear), they thought that the protection was set to trip when impedance drops to 3 ohms or so. Legacy confirmed that the Signatures do drop down around 3 ohms in the 30 Hz range, so that seemed a likely cause. Again, mind you, this was when I was running near reference level with the speakers running full-range. Backing off the volume to a more "sane level" fixed the issue, at least until I added my Submersive sub to take some of the load off the EAD PowerMaster 7300 amp (300w x 7 at 8 ohms, 500w x 7 at 4 ohms).

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So! patience is a virtue and the long wait has paid off , don't stay up to late playing with your new toys, that is unless you have tomorrow off wink.gif

Big congrats smile.gif

Patience is indeed a virtue that has grin-inducing dividends. I was indeed up later than I should have been--each time I would get up, I would look at the speakers and sit back down to enjoy them some more!
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Looking forward to seeing some measurements.
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Also, if you didn't already know... The Legacies are very sensitive to placement. I had a chance to hear these at the last get together in PA. The off axis response led me to draw the conclusion that these babies had somewhat of a narrow sweet spot when compared to all of the other speakers we auditioned that day.

Probably one of my favorite sounding speakers of the day, but moving a few feet off axis (up/down/left/right) made a notable difference. Just something to keep in mind when dialing these guys in.

Really would love to see measurements from a few different seating locations in your space.

Oh I'll certainly post some measurements once the system is together. I actually want toget the pro version of XTZ for the higher-resolution mic. I've been borrowing the original XTZ for measurements thus far and don't have it with me. I did track that thread, but it seemed like folkes just wanted raw output and paid no attention to finnesse (I wasn't there so I don't know if that was true, but the thread gave that impression.) If you put a stock porsche on a dirt road, it won't perform as well as a Toyota with deep-tread tires. The speakers special tweeter arrangement is set in such a way that placing them on Gorilla's already-tall corner stands would have wreaked havoc to their imaging. I know you're in VA--once I get the amps, you're welcome to swing by for a listen in a more appropriate environment for position-sensitive speakers! Which reminds me, I'm going to PM soon you about taking you up on your offer to check out your system...you're a stones throw away from me and that is some SERIOUS bass!!! It freaking cracked the molding on your stairs....that's.....CRAZY bass!!!!
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They look really great Matt. I am very happy for you. I am sure they sound fantastic as well. You really did make a big jump up. Sort of like when I went from my Def Tech Pro 400's to the JM Labs 927's and then from the 927's to the 1027's. Be prepared for long listening sessions that allow you to revisit and learn all your music and movies over again. I am sure when you get the new amps it will be insane.

And I also agree with Papalock. I was at the same GTG he is referring to and I was a couch hog. I did not move so I was in the sweet spot for most of the day. People were saying how directional they were so placement will be very important. They were one of my personal favorites of the day. My 1027's are the same way placement wise. To get mine right took a lot of fine tuning. Even an a very small movement made a big difference for me. I am looking forward to maybe more pics and that video when you get the new amps. Again, a very big congrats to you. Did I read that you are going to get another pair of Focus for surrounds and Sigs for sides? Now that will be quite the powerhouse system. As I said, IMHO, I really liked the Focus that I heard at the GTG. For me, and my listening tastes, they had the best sounding bass at that GTG. They were run full range. So now go and enjoy them. I know I would have no problem living with them for a long time. But, I still love my 1027's smile.gif. Looking forward to the updates that are sure to come.

Man, I definitely want another pair of Focus for Surrounds. I'd get the Signatures for wides, but also on the table are four Signature SE's as well. I plan to dedicate an entire weekend to fine-tuning these babies. Won't be this weekend or next, due to a very busy summer...but definitely within a few weeks! Dennis shared a trick with me last night for getting the toe-in and placement perfect using a specific test track, so I'm going to eliminate all guess-word, and use this technical method to achieve perfect positioning.

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Dennis,
Do you remember what scene in How to Train Your Dragon sent the amp into protection mode? I only ask as there is one scene at the very end when the giant dragon crashes to the ground and that has very high/hot content down to 2hz eek.gifeek.gif I was just curious to see if it was that scene.

This was a quote taken from the databass forum about that very scene: "The signal asks your speakers to play back a 2Hz tone at 117.8dB at one point."


Matt,,
Talk about speaker porn! biggrin.gif Those are some sexy lookin' speakers! Congrats! cool.gif

Speaker porn indeed....I felt guilty just looking at them! I definitely don't mind their wide buttocks :-)

I'm not Dennis, but having discussed this with him in the past, it was indeed the Dragon crash into the ground that caused his amp to go into protection mode. 2hz at 117.8Db is a heck of a demand from any system!!!
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Congrats, and welcome to the high end! Love the way the center channel looks, how big are those drivers?

By the way, when are your JC1s arriving?

Thanks Sarge--it feels good to have joined the high-end ranks. The center channel drivers are 12-inchers, just like the focus' woofers. perfect match across the board! I haven't ordered the JC-1's quite yet....I'm still considering some alternatives--namely, a trio of McIntosh MC601's for the front-soundstage.
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Nice post. I am glad I put you in contact with Dennis biggrin.gif. Like I always say, I am always trying to help other people spend their money tongue.gif. Looking forward to more updates and thoughts in the not do distant future.

LOLOL, you definitely helped me in a big way by putting me in contact with Dennis--that set the stage for a complete transformation of my theater. Also, he's a great guy and very knowledgable. As a musician, his passion for music really comes through when he discusses performance. Oh yes, more updates are indeed on the way as i continue to live with these beautifies; I'll be updating my above impressions accordingly!
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Matt they look great!! Glad that the 4310 can make an encore performance with these great speakers! LOL. Which amps are you leaning towards at this point? You’re system has transformed into a theater that most dream of. Congratulations and thanks for sharing this great ride with us.
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I wanna hate so badly but I just can't.. Too nice of an upgrade. But a question, what happened to the red seaton subs? I've not been following the threads ... I'm waiting for the video.
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Oh, by the way... YOU SPENT $15000 on speakers??? What would your mother say about that?
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Looking at how sensitive the ratings are on those bad boys eek.gif, you could drive them to gut wrenching levels with style with a Parasound Halo A21 and divert funds elsewhere or back in your pocket biggrin.gif My mains are 89db sensitivity and as much as I would love JC1's on each of them, I have a hard time justifying the purchase due to the fact I find no fault with the A21, I drive them full range and for music and movies and the Halo is stellar performer at belting out reference levels when I decide to go there. It just may be the ticket to keep that big grin going but more so over funds saved wink.gif
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I wanna hate so badly but I just can't.. Too nice of an upgrade. But a question, what happened to the red seaton subs? I've not been following the threads ... I'm waiting for the video.

He sold them. And I believe stated is watching for some new Seaton Sound products on the horizon for subs. I asked because I will be going with dual F2's and was curious as well
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Matt they look great!! Glad that the 4310 can make an encore performance with these great speakers! LOL. Which amps are you leaning towards at this point? You’re system has transformed into a theater that most dream of. Congratulations and thanks for sharing this great ride with us.

I appreciate the very kind words! I'm battling between Parasound and McIntosh at the moment.
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I wanna hate so badly but I just can't.. Too nice of an upgrade. But a question, what happened to the red seaton subs? I've not been following the threads ... I'm waiting for the video.
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He sold them. And I believe stated is watching for some new Seaton Sound products on the horizon for subs. I asked because I will be going with dual F2's and was curious as well

Yes indeed--they have been sold, awaiting the release of the Seaton F4--but since I'm very content with bass for right now, I might just wait until I can get two F4's and go that route instead.
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Oh, by the way... YOU SPENT $15000 on speakers??? What would your mother say about that?

LOL, that's nothing compared to some others in this very WYSC forum!!!
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Looking at how sensitive the ratings are on those bad boys eek.gif, you could drive them to gut wrenching levels with style with a Parasound Halo A21 and divert funds elsewhere or back in your pocket biggrin.gif My mains are 89db sensitivity and as much as I would love JC1's on each of them, I have a hard time justifying the purchase due to the fact I find no fault with the A21, I drive them full range and for music and movies and the Halo is stellar performer at belting out reference levels when I decide to go there. It just may be the ticket to keep that big grin going but more so over funds saved wink.gif

Greetings! I appreciate the suggestion! I actually almost got a Parasound Halo A21 just for the Focus SE's, but then realized I need an equally powerful amp to drive my Marquis HD center, which made me think of the A31....but then, I plan to run wides, and I'd save about $1000 by getting an A51, instead of the A31 and A21 separately......the law of escalation hard at work! In the long run, it's cheaper for me to get three amps (2 monoblocks and 1 multi-channel for center, surrounds, and wides). After that, no more amp purchases for until my unborn children are filling out college applications biggrin.gif
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I appreciate the very kind words! I'm battling between Parasound and McIntosh at the moment.

Yes indeed--they have been sold, awaiting the release of the Seaton F4--but since I'm very content with bass for right now, I might just wait until I can get two F4's and go that route instead.
LOL, that's nothing compared to some others in this very WYSC forum!!!
Greetings! I appreciate the suggestion! I actually almost got a Parasound Halo A21 just for the Focus SE's, but then realized I need an equally powerful amp to drive my Marquis HD center, which made me think of the A31....but then, I plan to run wides, and I'd save about $1000 by getting an A51, instead of the A31 and A21 separately......the law of escalation hard at work! In the long run, it's cheaper for me to get three amps (2 monoblocks and 1 multi-channel for center, surrounds, and wides). After that, no more amp purchases for until my unborn children are filling out college applications biggrin.gif

Solid plan! wink.gif

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Oh I'll certainly post some measurements once the system is together. I actually want toget the pro version of XTZ for the higher-resolution mic. I've been borrowing the original XTZ for measurements thus far and don't have it with me. I did track that thread, but it seemed like folkes just wanted raw output and paid no attention to finnesse (I wasn't there so I don't know if that was true, but the thread gave that impression.) If you put a stock porsche on a dirt road, it won't perform as well as a Toyota with deep-tread tires. The speakers special tweeter arrangement is set in such a way that placing them on Gorilla's already-tall corner stands would have wreaked havoc to their imaging. I know you're in VA--once I get the amps, you're welcome to swing by for a listen in a more appropriate environment for position-sensitive speakers! Which reminds me, I'm going to PM soon you about taking you up on your offer to check out your system...you're a stones throw away from me and that is some SERIOUS bass!!! It freaking cracked the molding on your stairs....that's.....CRAZY bass!!!!

Pretty sure there were some all-wheel drive Porsches fitted with all terrain tires at the GTG. A Maserati even showed up later on in the day. Alas, none of them equipped with the AMT System.
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Cool man. Thanks for the invite!
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Speaking of bass. I read your overview above. Nice...so are you planning on rocking double bass for daily listening/movie viewing?

Or planning to disengage the F2's (or other Seaton product) for critical full range listening?

Or is the plan to simply cross to subs for all content and/or day-to-day listening?

I'll be keeping my eye out for that PM.

Nice to have opinions...lol

 

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Pretty sure there were some all-wheel drive Porsches fitted with all terrain tires at the GTG. A Maserati even showed up later on in the day. Alas, none of them equipped with the AMT System.
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Cool man. Thanks for the invite!
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Speaking of bass. I read your overview above. Nice...so are you planning on rocking double bass for daily listening/movie viewing?

Or planning to disengage the F2's (or other Seaton product) for critical full range listening?

Or is the plan to simply cross to subs for all content and/or day-to-day listening?

I'll be keeping my eye out for that PM.

Nice to have opinions...lol

Oh yeah, I totally agree--without opinions, there would only be one of everything in this world! A drab existence indeed.

The initial plan is to skip double bass and run all channels full range, with the next subwoofers handling only the LFE channel..although I've heard reports that overall room response can be better by using a really low crossover, leveraging most of a speakers full range capabilities, but reserving the last 20 Hz or so for the sub for Home Theater playback. For Music, I"ll likely configure my 8801's analog input to remain in direct mode, using the Focuses full range for music, while crossing the subs at 20-30Hz on the blu ray input.
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Oh yeah, I totally agree--without opinions, there would only be one of everything in this world! A drab existence indeed.

The initial plan is to skip double bass and run all channels full range, with the next subwoofers handling only the LFE channel..although I've heard reports that overall room response can be better by using a really low crossover, leveraging most of a speakers full range capabilities, but reserving the last 20 Hz or so for the sub for Home Theater playback. For Music, I"ll likely configure my 8801's analog input to remain in direct mode, using the Focuses full range for music, while crossing the subs at 20-30Hz on the blu ray input.
The plural of "Focus" is "Foci". I'm just sayin'... biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

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Oh yeah, I totally agree--without opinions, there would only be one of everything in this world! A drab existence indeed.

The initial plan is to skip double bass and run all channels full range, with the next subwoofers handling only the LFE channel..although I've heard reports that overall room response can be better by using a really low crossover, leveraging most of a speakers full range capabilities, but reserving the last 20 Hz or so for the sub for Home Theater playback. For Music, I"ll likely configure my 8801's analog input to remain in direct mode, using the Focuses full range for music, while crossing the subs at 20-30Hz on the blu ray input.

Wow that's a lot of seaton unused crossed that low. I would think with dual F4's (any links on news of these?) at least on Blu ray, you would want to utilize 8 1200 watt seaton 15 inch subs over the Legacy 12's. certainly no disrespect to the Legacy's...

But the honeymoon period is fun
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Wow that's a lot of seaton unused crossed that low. I would think with dual F4's (any links on news of these?) at least on Blu ray, you would want to utilize 8 1200 watt seaton 15 inch subs over the Legacy 12's. certainly no disrespect to the Legacy's...

But the honeymoon period is fun

No links, unfortunately. Some folks tend to complain a lot if a product release deadline is missed, so Mark now follows a "when it's ready" release window. He has confirmed that Submersive F4 will be out within a couple of months, but nothing more specific--and I don't blame him. I actually wouldn't mind the higher crossover for movies and run full range for music. The deciding factor on crossovers will be measurements. In all honesty, if the room measures better with a 60Hz crossover, that's what I'll be using!!!
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No links, unfortunately. Some folks tend to complain a lot if a product release deadline is missed, so Mark now follows a "when it's ready" release window. He has confirmed that Submersive F4 will be out within a couple of months, but nothing more specific--and I don't blame him. I actually wouldn't mind the higher crossover for movies and run full range for music. The deciding factor on crossovers will be measurements. In all honesty, if the room measures better with a 60Hz crossover, that's what I'll be using!!!

Yes I just read on the Seaton forums some guy just ripping Mark and his business model and this and that because his new site wasn't up by the deadline. I have learned you can't TRULY judge a situation unless you are fully involved. Outside perspective is always jaded by assumptions. I plan on dual F2's. measurements yes, I am waiting on my UMM-6 to get rolling although I read today you can use the audyssey mic but won't be as accurate. Fun stuff!
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I appreciate the very kind words! I'm battling between Parasound and McIntosh at the moment.

I've got McIntosh and Parasound both in my system, can't go wrong with either of those!

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Both??? Nice!!! I just went through your equipment list from your sig....how do you have the dual A23's implemented?
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Once properly level matched, it is difficult to hear much difference between amps. Emotiva would work fine. So would the Parasound JC1, although it will cost you alot more....

This post has me really thinking about the XPR-1's....I haven't owned many amps, but i've encountered this concept of similarity between amps, with all other system facets being equal, in quite a few places here on AVS. I do prefer the aesthetics of the Emotivas, and with past ownership of an Emotiva amp that I loved enough to start the XPA-5 thread for, I'm thinking I might be very satisfied with two XPR-1's and three XPA-1's...
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This post has me really thinking about the XPR-1's....I haven't owned many amps, but i've encountered this concept of similarity between amps, with all other system facets being equal, in quite a few places here on AVS. I do prefer the aesthetics of the Emotivas, and with past ownership of an Emotiva amp that I loved enough to start the XPA-5 thread for, I'm thinking I might be very satisfied with two XPR-1's and three XPA-1's...

Worst case scenario. You buy them and return them or wait long enough and have to sell them...
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Both??? Nice!!! I just went through your equipment list from your sig....how do you have the dual A23's implemented?

I had a MC205 in a 5.2 setup. I added heights and rear surrounds so initially i got a parasound a52, which was DOA when I got it, so I had them replace that with 2 black a23s since I really wasn't a fan of the silver on the a52. So, the a23s are just powering surrounds...

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This post has me really thinking about the XPR-1's....I haven't owned many amps, but i've encountered this concept of similarity between amps, with all other system facets being equal, in quite a few places here on AVS. I do prefer the aesthetics of the Emotivas, and with past ownership of an Emotiva amp that I loved enough to start the XPA-5 thread for, I'm thinking I might be very satisfied with two XPR-1's and three XPA-1's...
2 XPR-1's, ($2,558) plus 3 XPA-1's, ($2697) would be a total of $5255. For a little more than 1/4 the price, you could just get an XPR-5 for $1,699 and have 5 X 600 watts into 4 ohms, (all channels driven.) http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpr5

It's like the difference between a single Emotiva or multiple Emotivi. smile.gif

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Brolic... All seriousness now. Don't get caught up in the Parasound Halo hype.. You'll be spending a crap load of money of ZERO gain when compared to the EMOTIVA XPRs. All you'll have to show for going the Parasound route is an emptier wallet and the ability to say you have a Halo amp <<<< whoopy stinking do.
Emotiva is having their summer sale. Brother, 7 XPR 1's Full Balanced and all that good jazz for $8,953.00. Free shipping. No stinking dealer to deal with. You owned Emotiva. You ranted how great the XPA-5 is. Don't let them sucker you in to buying the boutique amps.
Emotiva XPR 1's. GET 7 for under $9000.. really bro..
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Worst case scenario. You buy them and return them or wait long enough and have to sell them...

I definitely don't want to have to ship the amps back....I want to make sure I pick right the first time. I have a bit of time to decide though.
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I had a MC205 in a 5.2 setup. I added heights and rear surrounds so initially i got a parasound a52, which was DOA when I got it, so I had them replace that with 2 black a23s since I really wasn't a fan of the silver on the a52. So, the a23s are just powering surrounds...

That must sound great! I love the black finish on the Parasound Halo devices.
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2 XPR-1's, ($2,558) plus 3 XPA-1's, ($2697) would be a total of $5255. For a little more than 1/4 the price, you could just get an XPR-5 for $1,699 and have 5 X 600 watts into 4 ohms, (all channels driven.) http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpr5

It's like the difference between a single Emotiva or multiple Emotivi. smile.gif

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Yes indeed! I keep going back and forth with a number of options...I love the concept of monoblocks; they've been a dream of mine for years! The XPR-5 is certainly the best value, but lacks the dream-fulfillment potential of the "1." I don't mind coloring outside the lines of practicality for rare purchases like this!!
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Brolic... All seriousness now. Don't get caught up in the Parasound Halo hype.. You'll be spending a crap load of money of ZERO gain when compared to the EMOTIVA XPRs. All you'll have to show for going the Parasound route is an emptier wallet and the ability to say you have a Halo amp <<<< whoopy stinking do.
Emotiva is having their summer sale. Brother, 7 XPR 1's Full Balanced and all that good jazz for $8,953.00. Free shipping. No stinking dealer to deal with. You owned Emotiva. You ranted how great the XPA-5 is. Don't let them sucker you in to buying the boutique amps.
Emotiva XPR 1's. GET 7 for under $9000.. really bro..

I'm thinking I may capitalize on that summer sale.....

I don't have enough 20 amp outlets for 7 XPR-1's, but do have enough for two XPR-1's.....I have big decisions to make this week!
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Brolic... All seriousness now. Don't get caught up in the Parasound Halo hype.. You'll be spending a crap load of money of ZERO gain when compared to the EMOTIVA XPRs. All you'll have to show for going the Parasound route is an emptier wallet and the ability to say you have a Halo amp <<<< whoopy stinking do.
Emotiva is having their summer sale. Brother, 7 XPR 1's Full Balanced and all that good jazz for $8,953.00. Free shipping. No stinking dealer to deal with. You owned Emotiva. You ranted how great the XPA-5 is. Don't let them sucker you in to buying the boutique amps.
Emotiva XPR 1's. GET 7 for under $9000.. really bro..

You'll need to have your own power plant to power 7 XPR-1s.

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You'll need to have your own power plant to power 7 XPR-1s.

Yes, 7 Xpr 1's are way overkill but damn.. You have to love the pricing, $1279, for such a monster amp.
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I definitely don't want to have to ship the amps back....I want to make sure I pick right the first time. I have a bit of time to decide though.
That must sound great! I love the black finish on the Parasound Halo devices.
Yes indeed! I keep going back and forth with a number of options...I love the concept of monoblocks; they've been a dream of mine for years! The XPR-5 is certainly the best value, but lacks the dream-fulfillment potential of the "1." I don't mind coloring outside the lines of practicality for rare purchases like this!!

If you were unable to tell the difference between the JC-1 and the XPR's in a blind test, would you still dream of the JC-1's?

One other thing... I've come to the conclusion that searching for "1" of anything in this hobby is pointless. Just too many variables IMHO.

 

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Oh yeah, I totally agree--without opinions, there would only be one of everything in this world! A drab existence indeed.

The initial plan is to skip double bass and run all channels full range, with the next subwoofers handling only the LFE channel..although I've heard reports that overall room response can be better by using a really low crossover, leveraging most of a speakers full range capabilities, but reserving the last 20 Hz or so for the sub for Home Theater playback. For Music, I"ll likely configure my 8801's analog input to remain in direct mode, using the Focuses full range for music, while crossing the subs at 20-30Hz on the blu ray input.

My previous speakers were Dunlavy SC-VI's, each speaker with dual 15 inch "sub" woofers in addition to dual "woofers" in each cabinet. In room measured flat response was 14hz. I used no subs with music. But for movies, particularity action movies, my experience was that using subs, crossed over at 60 to 80hz, was still the best solution.

As I know you know, amp output must double for each 3db of output. When watching scenes like the pod emergence from WOTW, amp requirements will run quite high and will suck the life out of most ordinary amps, including Emotiva or anything else, leaving little to drive the rest of the frequency spectrum. In fact, few amps typically used for driving a two channel system will not severely clip in those situations. Hence, the 2400 watts of the Seatons provides all of the headroom one could need (particularly if you have multiples).

It's not that your new speakers won't reach the depths of a sub, but, I think you will quickly determine, that is not really the point for movies. [Unless, of course, you watch movies at reference minus 25, which, I suspect, you don't smile.gif ]
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Here you go Brolic, from Audioholics website. Their revamped Showcase Home Theater. The Status Acoustics towers ,$50,000 a pair, are being powered by guess who.. EMOTIVA.. XPR1'S
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You'll need to have your own power plant to power 7 XPR-1s.

I love that idea! Maybe I'll gove the power company a call.....shouldn't bee too difficult to build a man-made waterfall in my backyard, which--in turn--can power turbines for a special generator for the XPR's biggrin.gif
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Yes, 7 Xpr 1's are way overkill but damn.. You have to love the pricing, $1279, for such a monster amp.

yeah that sale is sick! Right now, I'm definitely leaning toward that route.
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If you were unable to tell the difference between the JC-1 and the XPR's in a blind test, would you still dream of the JC-1's?

One other thing... I've come to the conclusion that searching for "1" of anything in this hobby is pointless. Just too many variables IMHO.

If I couldn't tell the difference, then price would become the evaluating factor...price is starting to take on that role and I haven't even heard either amp yet.
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My previous speakers were Dunlavy SC-VI's, each speaker with dual 15 inch "sub" woofers in addition to dual "woofers" in each cabinet. In room measured flat response was 14hz. I used no subs with music. But for movies, particularity action movies, my experience was that using subs, crossed over at 60 to 80hz, was still the best solution.

As I know you know, amp output must double for each 3db of output. When watching scenes like the pod emergence from WOTW, amp requirements will run quite high and will suck the life out of most ordinary amps, including Emotiva or anything else, leaving little to drive the rest of the frequency spectrum. In fact, few amps typically used for driving a two channel system will not severely clip in those situations. Hence, the 2400 watts of the Seatons provides all of the headroom one could need (particularly if you have multiples).

It's not that your new speakers won't reach the depths of a sub, but, I think you will quickly determine, that is not really the point for movies. [Unless, of course, you watch movies at reference minus 25, which, I suspect, you don't smile.gif ]

The more I think about it, the more i realize that I will indeed use a higher cross-over for movies. It's not about whether they can, but whether they should...especially when a subwoofer dedicated to those frequencies is available with drivers built for ultra-excursion and massive power reserves focused solely on low frequencies.
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