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post #1 of 35 Old 02-07-2012, 08:38 AM - Thread Starter
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Hello all,

I've been plugging away at the basement media room/theater for a few years now. My first goal was to get good gear for the room and once we had that we decided to change the layout of the room a bit.

 
The initial pictures below are from when we started the transition.The area in basement was a long hall which widened at the back and was much narrower in the front. The initial screen size was 90 inch as that was all I could fit on the front wall at the time.






 




What we ended up doing was separating the larger hall into two units. We took down an existing wall to the side and built another wall to split the longer hall where it widened. Thus we ended up with a theater room and a new horizontal hall/play-area space.

These photos are after the new theater room was built. I could now fit a 125 inch scope screen in this setup. Since there was a gas heater where the screen wall was, we had to cover it up and we made a frame about 2 feet from the back wall and covered it up with GOM. Its a nice space to stow away all the corner bass traps as well as speaker wiring.

I ended up mounting the projector mid wall as that was recommended for the high gain Da-lite Screen that I wanted to use. We also built a platform for the rear seats. We painted the ceilings matt black and the walls dark chocolate brown. Installed darker carpeting and scones etc.









A few years later I was able to buy a second SVS PB13 Ultra Sub, plus we upgraded our seating to 5. Please excuse the quality of the pictures in this batch as they were taken from a camera phone.




 

In 2015 I managed to get a good deal on Helicon 400 Mark II's and I have moved them to the basement theater. The existing Helicon 400s from theater are now in my living room. I bought a Marantz NR1403 and McIntosh MC162 Stereo amp(always wanted to own a McIntosh!) to complete the 2 Channel setup.


 
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Center: Dali Helicon c200
Sides: Energy Veritas
Backs : Energy In-walls 

Subwoofer: 2 X SvS PB-13 Ultras

Screen: Dalite High Power 2.35 125 inch

Projector: Sony VPL VW 40 + Darbee Drablet video processor

Processor : Marantz SR 7500 Pre-Pro
Amplifiers: Gemstone 7 Channel amp(300 watts X 7) & 
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Video:
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Sony 5 Disc SACD/DVD Player
Dish HDTV DVR/Hopper

Seating: 5 Berkline 12000 powered recliners in Chocolate brown.

Miscellaneous stuff:
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Small Refrigerator in back row
GIK Acoustics Panels: 4 first reflection panels, 2 bass traps in front corners(behind the screen wall).


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Pair of Helicon 400s
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Pics Pics Pics. Great looking equipment you have there. But if we can't see it, it does not exist.
I clicked on that other link. Are they up to date pics? Because that room looks very nice.

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Pics Pics Pics. Great looking equipment you have there. But if we can't see it, it does not exist.
I clicked on that other link. Are they up to date pics? Because that room looks very nice.

Sorry Mike, you caught me in the middle of getting all those damn links together Pics are up now!

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Nice work, very clean. Those Dalis look great and the svs is a nice match. I've never heard the Dalis but would like to some day

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That is a sweet looking setup. I would be proud of that system. I know they are surrounds, but how do you find the Dali and Energy speakers playing together. Would you think about changing them to Dali speakers? I had old polk's I was using as surrounds for a long time but then I changed them to Focal. Not even the same series but it made a huge difference. Regardless, that is a great looking room and I am sure it sounds great as well.

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Nice work, very clean. Those Dalis look great and the svs is a nice match. I've never heard the Dalis but would like to some day

Thank you, the Dali's sound is incredible, especially for music. The ribbon tweeter lends it a very high sensitivity and they are airy and at the same time warm. If you are ever in the new england area you would be welcome to audition them.

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That is a sweet looking setup. I would be proud of that system. I know they are surrounds, but how do you find the Dali and Energy speakers playing together. Would you think about changing them to Dali speakers? I had old polk's I was using as surrounds for a long time but then I changed them to Focal. Not even the same series but it made a huge difference. Regardless, that is a great looking room and I am sure it sounds great as well.

Thanks again Mike, took me a few years but i'm almost there now. I still want to lay my hands on one more PB13 Ultra for a dual sub setup and maybe a 3D projector down the line, but i'm very content now

The side-surround Energy Veritas and the Dalis are not that far off in their tonality and the rears Energies don't have that much sound input anyways.

I would have ideally preferred Dalis on the sides at least, but I had the Veritas left over from a bum speaker deal and decided to use them instead. I don't find it distracting at all overall and they seem to blend in well

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I am on the multi year plan as well. Slow and steady. You may have mentioned it in the other thread, but what are the dimensions of your room. I was just curious about your surrounds and what you felt. A second PB13 would up that system to another level for sure. I have seen good 3D in the movies once and just a little on a 65in TV. I have yet to see it on a front projector screen in someones house though.

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What I said in a previous post also applies to you. I was pretty impress when I saw the first few pics...and then I scrolled down . one day, one day I'll have something of that caliber.

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I am on the multi year plan as well. Slow and steady. You may have mentioned it in the other thread, but what are the dimensions of your room. I was just curious about your surrounds and what you felt. A second PB13 would up that system to another level for sure. I have seen good 3D in the movies once and just a little on a 65in TV. I have yet to see it on a front projector screen in someones house though.

I believe the dimensions are close to 18 X 16ish if i remember correctly. I haven't seen 3D on a FP screen either but have been reading good things about it recently in the screen section of the forums. 3D projectors seem to be getting more affordable by the day.

I also feel that 3D will be more immersive in a FP setup than a tv because a TV screen isn't large enough to occupy your whole view.

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What I said in a previous post also applies to you. I was pretty impress when I saw the first few pics...and then I scrolled down . one day, one day I'll have something of that caliber.

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Thank you!! I started down this very path and took me a while to get here, all the best!

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Assuming an eight foot ceiling that is about 2300cf. Two PB13's would be very a great time in a room that size. Also it should help even out the bass and maybe take of some issues you did no now you had.

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Assuming an eight foot ceiling that is about 2300cf. Two PB13's would be very a great time in a room that size. Also it should help even out the bass and maybe take of some issues you did no now you had.

Yes 8 foot ceiling it is. The bass is very good in the current setup but very high decibel bass gives me fits with the sub being close to bottoming out.

It is very rare, has happened with maybe 2 or 3 movies at most. Hopefully another sub would add that headroom and as you said even it out. Now comes the easy part of convincing the other half

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How do you run your sub. In the 20Hz, 15Hz, 10Hz mode. I am assuming not sealed mode.

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How do you run your sub. In the 20Hz, 15Hz, 10Hz mode. I am assuming not sealed mode.

I have one port plugged in, 15hz and room compensation set to medium sized room. I recently ran audyssey again on the unit and the bass seemed noticeably better after that run.

Also i had manually gone in and setup all the speakers to small(though audyssey sets them as large- which they are). That was under the assumption that the mids and highs would be better from mains, but this time i left them all large and the bass is now much better since the subwoofer also gets that extra headroom. The xover is set at 60hz. I haven't heard a noticeable difference in the mains going from small to large so they seem to be handling things fine.

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Sounds like a good setup. Dual PB13's setup in the 15Hz tune would be killer in that room IMHO.

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Sounds like a good setup. Dual PB13's setup in the 15Hz tune would be killer in that room IMHO.

Yes, now only if i can luck out in finding a used Rosenut one since they seem to have stopped making that finish.

Anyhow, thanks for stopping by the thread Mike, it is great interacting with a fellow enthusiast like yourself!

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No prob. I always like looking at what else is out there and trying to help if I can. If you can't find one used, you may have to contact SVS and see which finish is the closest to what you have. If is close enough, it may not matter because I am guessing it will be pretty dark in the room and you may not even notice a difference. For ex, my center is not the same finish as my L\\R but I really don't care because it sounds so good. If I am watching with just a little light I barely notice it and with lights off I don't notice it at all. And the difference between finishes is pretty big for me.

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No prob. I always like looking at what else is out there and trying to help if I can. If you can't find one used, you may have to contact SVS and see which finish is the closest to what you have. If is close enough, it may not matter because I am guessing it will be pretty dark in the room and you may not even notice a difference. For ex, my center is not the same finish as my L\\R but I really don't care because it sounds so good. If I am watching with just a little light I barely notice it and with lights off I don't notice it at all. And the difference between finishes is pretty big for me.

Right, i can hold out for now till i find one.

I guess the natural wood finish they have might be the closest. But on the other hand there are a few used Ultras for sale which are in black finish.

Ultimately I might decide to go with just that. The price difference between a used and a new sub is quite significant so I try to buy used if its in good condition.

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Right, i can hold out for now till i find one.

I guess the natural wood finish they have might be the closest. But on the other hand there are a few used Ultras for sale which are in black finish.

Ultimately I might decide to go with just that. The price difference between a used and a new sub is quite significant so I try to buy used if its in good condition.

There is a black one on audiogon right now for $1200. So they do pop up.

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There is a black one on audiogon right now for $1200. So they do pop up.

Right, i saw that also.. there is another one for 1000$ here on avs classifieds as well. I won't be able to buy immediately though,so hopefully sometime later this year.

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Damen,

Real nice set-up you have there. Great transformation. When you installed your acoustic treatments, did you perform any before and after measurements with REW or some other measuring software?
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Real nice set-up you have there. Great transformation. When you installed your acoustic treatments, did you perform any before and after measurements with REW or some other measuring software?

Thanks Dan, no I didn't but there was noticeable difference just going by the ear. The whole soundstage improved a lot and the bass was much tighter. I did try my hand at REW once in the past but never got around to it after that.

I'm too lazy for it i guess

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Thanks - I'm in process of trying to figure out what creative ways I can treat my living room while getting acceptance from my better half. She is looking for professional recommendations and not the "trust me" it will sound better approach from me. She does know that we need something to tame it a bit.

I'm looking forward to a meet as well.
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Thanks - I'm in process of trying to figure out what creative ways I can treat my living room while getting acceptance from my better half. She is looking for professional recommendations and not the "trust me" it will sound better approach from me. She does know that we need something to tame it a bit.

I'm looking forward to a meet as well.

I can certainly understand that, my wife is very much against any 'big' AV equipment in our living room. I recently managed to wiggle in a pair of stereo speakers there but she still is not very happy about it

I would suggest dropping someone at one of the acoustic companies an email about it. I had written to Gik acoustics and they came back with some great recommendations after getting to know my room layout etc.

Treatments like bass traps for example will almost always help a room and so will first reflection absorption panels. How much they will help can certainly be quantified with REW etc, but i have no doubt in my mind that the acoustics improved after i put them in.

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This is a very impressive setup! The color scheme is perfect and those Dalis look amazing. Its also always great to come across another PB-13 Ultra owner!
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This is a very impressive setup! The color scheme is perfect and those Dalis look amazing. Its also always great to come across another PB-13 Ultra owner!

Thanks Brolic, you have a fantastic setup yourself and i was just admiring it in your thread! That Pb13U sure is fun!

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Damen,

I love the Dali Helicons' - I just read up a little on them. Beautiful front stage you have. I'm sure they sound amazing with your gear.
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Thanks Dan, I did a whole lot of auditioning before i settled on them, very musical and the ribbon tweeters do a great job of producing crystalline highs. I would probably categorize the whole sound as warm.

I'm hoping more people show up in the NE meet thread so we can have that meet. Would love to have you listen to them in person and share your thoughts.

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Updated the thread with some latest photos and details..

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Hi, Daman,
I have a few question about the performance of the Sony HW-40es projectors. Had just PM you the questions . Appreciate you could share your experience on its Black (contrast) and the fan noise.
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