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post #271 of 979 Old 06-11-2013, 04:55 AM - Thread Starter
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Decided to paint the outside pieces of the frame black, since I'm not sure what I want to do to cover them. Should start assembling the frame tonight.

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Exhausted but got the frame together. Insulation and plywood top tomorrow night. cool.gif

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Sorry for the finger, but still a cool pic. biggrin.gif

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I bet you are going to get some awesome tactile bass on that thing!! smile.gif
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I bet you are going to get some awesome tactile bass on that thing!! smile.gif

I hope so! That would be an unexpected bonus. I should have an idea sometime this week when I test it out. It will be a bit before I pick out carpet for the top though. tongue.gif
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Looking good man!

Thanks!

Deciding whether I should wire for buttkickers tonight "just in case" ? Thoughts? Honestly from what I've experienced with my subs so far it's really not needed, but it couldn't hurt to run the wire and throw a terminal in, right?
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Deciding whether I should wire for buttkickers tonight "just in case" ? Thoughts? Honestly from what I've experienced with my subs so far it's really not needed, but it couldn't hurt to run the wire and throw a terminal in, right?

Buttkickers with that setup of subs?? Now you're just lookin' for stuff to add... biggrin.gif

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Buttkickers with that setup of subs?? Now you're just lookin' for stuff to add... biggrin.gif

Once the box is sealed up and carpet applied, it would a bit more difficult to add in later. I really doubt they will be needed, but that darn "What if" is always lingering....biggrin.gif
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Deciding whether I should wire for buttkickers tonight "just in case" ? Thoughts? Honestly from what I've experienced with my subs so far it's really not needed, but it couldn't hurt to run the wire and throw a terminal in, right?

Do it!
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TESTING time!

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Ran audyssey quickly and played a few demo tracks. Bass in the front row is on point! Rear row is decent but going to play with placement. Going to move one of the front subs to behind the second row. Should get the job done. biggrin.gif
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Just to experiment, going to pull one of the subs from behind the screen and place directly behind the second row. I'll try it out and if it works nicely, I'll figure out the means for permanent connection. From my measurements it should fit nicely back there without getting in the way. Besides, it would be cool to have full symmetric placement of the subs (front, back, and both sides). What this will do to the FR, we will have to see!

The tough part will be beasting the sub from the front of the room behind the wall to the back of the couch with all this junk in the way now. Should be fun, wish me luck, haha. biggrin.gif
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The tough part will be beasting the sub from the front of the room behind the wall to the back of the couch with all this junk in the way now. Should be fun, wish me luck, haha. biggrin.gif

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As I mentioned in the GTG thread, your room looks really good. Again, I am glad the treatments worked out for you.

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As I mentioned in the GTG thread, your room looks really good. Again, I am glad the treatments worked out for you.

Thanks Mike! There is still work to be done with the treatments. I'll likely order some more materials soon to finish up the front wall.

Edit - Just placed my order for another bundle of 2" rigid board. Front wall full treatment, here we come. biggrin.gif

The wife and I should be picking out carpet for the riser this weekend as well. cool.gif
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Hard to keep up with you...Can you post a parts list for the 12v trigger box? Designing surrounds now, why no flat pack action oh and the response looks great. Also diggin the riser set up that's on my short list as well. Re buttkickers, i'm not saying don't do it but the riser in my experience should prove to be the most tactile experience out the gates due to being elevated off the concrete with some give in the structure. I noticed you added a bunch of insulation and I thought you were using it as trap or resonator but didn't see an opening. Anyways your set up looks great and keeps getting better!
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Thanks G!

Parts list from memory for the relay box:

12/2 wire for a power cord
Nema 20A connector
20 or 30A solid state or mechanical relay (I used a 30A mechanical for when I upgrade the line)
Metal box with cover
Few short pieces of 12/2 wire (leftover from power cord)
Nema 20A outlet
RCA chassis jack female connector (you could also use 3.5mm plug here if you desire - I changed mine to RCA for ease)
1/2" knockout for power cord
Misc connectors (spade) for 12 gauge wire

You can get pretty much everything except for the relay at the big box stores. The relay can come from mouser or even amazon.

The insulation inside the riser is just to keep the enclosure quiet and free of resonation. It's not being used as a bass trap as the back wall is still about 25 feet away. smile.gif

I decided against the butt kickers. I have one of my subs directly behind that row/riser and it's got PLENTY of tactile feel now. biggrin.gif

On a related note, one of my subs started making a tapping noise. I called PE and they quickly offered an RA to swap it out. Trouble is they are out of stock for a bit, bah. Honestly though the 3 boxes (6 subs) that I'm running now sound damn near just as good from the seating positions. smile.gif
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Thx for the parts list Rilla. I'm not surprised you've got major output with 6 subs. I went over the top and ordered two FTW 21s before realizing what my current set up was capable of. And then there is this...
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^^Nice, Greg!! Always had an eye for the AE drivers, especially combined with a massive horn like the 24. Can't wait to see what you come up with.

Did some experimenting/measuring lately. I've got the subs flanking both rows now - one in the front, one on each side of the first row, and one behind the first couch. Of course one of the subs is currently out of commission (left side sub) but it still sounds very good and balanced. I've got the omnimic sweeps on another laptop at home right now but the curve did change a bit. In most of back row positions, I had to add a 6DB shelf from ~20hz on down to bring the tail end up a bit. In the current positions (at least with 3 out of 4 subs) I'm either not seeing as much room gain down low OR the midbass is just a bit stronger than before. smile.gif In the back row middle seat and front row left seat I've got a pretty nasty null from 1-2K hz that I will need to work with. I know I've got to raise the mains up about 8" or so with stands which should help and I've also got a bunch of 2" rigid board on the way to make some more treatments.

The tactile feel in the back row is awesome now with one sub (Dual box) nearly touching the back of it. I had been cranking Pendulum yesterday afternoon and after a minute or so my legs started to itch from the vibration, haha.

Also, if you've seen the classifieds, I'm going to experiment with some different amp(s) to power the subs. I'll use the XLS5000 again in the meantime. I've also got that spare FP14 clone that's sitting at my dad's place since we fixed it. I could still bring that back into play and/or sell it off as well to fund something new. I've really got an eye for those rack mounted speakerpower amps! Just have to justify their cost. I also had been eyeing a pair of Crest CC5500's, but came to discover they would each need a dedicated 30A line and twist lock, which made them seem a bit less attractive IMO.

Stay tuned. smile.gif
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You and Mrsmithers have inspired me. Yesterday I moved my loveseat up and put the couch that was on the sidewall behind it. I'm now 3 feet closer to the screen in my sweet spot and I love it! I thought I would be too close but after going over to smithers house and experimenting with screen size using my projector and also playing with seating distance from the screen I realized I could get closer to mine no problem.

So, now my head is 11 feet from the screen on the front row. I checked out the frequency response on the omnimic and the bass is almost the same. I drop off at 12 hz now instead of 10, but it's only like a 2db difference big whoop. I was able to eq using the minidsp to get it pretty much just like it was in my further back LP. I'm kind of surprised I don't have huge nulls since I'm squarely right in the middle of the room now.

Tonight I bought some 2x10's so I can build the riser. As for the top, I have some mdf boards that I used to use as a ping pong table back when I had my pool table which has been gone for many years so I might as well put the mdf to good use since it has been sitting in the garage for a very long time.

I'm going to go with 7 feet wide and 5 feet deep for the riser and plan on getting started on it tomorrow. I think I'm just going to paint the visible wood with duratex since that will be easiest. When in doubt use duratex... on everything. biggrin.gif
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Glad we could help, Carp. smile.gif my first row is about 11-12 feet away to the head position as well and I think it's great. I had the same concern about being too close, but after we watched a few movies it was deemed just right. biggrin.gif the back row almost seems too far now, haha.

Do your rear seats recline? I've been playing with mine and with a full recline in the rear row and me slouched down a little I'm missing the first 1-3 inches of the bottom of the screen. I know this is a drastic scenario, but it made me think I could have went to 2x12s just to raise it a hair to help out since I'm typically in a full slouched position. If the front rear seats are also reclined it's pretty much a non-issue though. For me it was a compromise as I didn't want to build a step since I wanted to leave as much room in the aisle as possible. I know it's not a huge deal, just something to consider. Maybe you can mock up the height for your riser and see for yourself.

I've still got to pick out and order carpet for the top!

Next projects:
-Finishing riser carpet, obviously
-Clean up the room!!
-Front wall full treatments using 2" fiber board wrapped in black fabric of some sort
-Put L&R speakers on stands to raise them up 6-8" - right now my rear woof is firing almost into the frame of my screen, hah
-Remove grills from L&R speakers and toy with placement a little bit more

-Build a new equipment rack for sub amps in the closet. I've been thinking about this hard as my current spot is very hard to access. After some consideration, I could keep the same area, but make an entry way/door/panel through the bathroom! I'll need something sturdy as I'm likely going to be moving to heavier amps. smile.gif
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Glad we could help, Carp. smile.gif my first row is about 11-12 feet away to the head position as well and I think it's great. I had the same concern about being too close, but after we watched a few movies it was deemed just right. biggrin.gif the back row almost seems too far now, haha.

Do your rear seats recline? I've been playing with mine and with a full recline in the rear row and me slouched down a little I'm missing the first 1-3 inches of the bottom of the screen. I know this is a drastic scenario, but it made me think I could have went to 2x12s just to raise it a hair to help out since I'm typically in a full slouched position. If the front rear seats are also reclined it's pretty much a non-issue though. For me it was a compromise as I didn't want to build a step since I wanted to leave as much room in the aisle as possible. I know it's not a huge deal, just something to consider. Maybe you can mock up the height for your riser and see for yourself.

I've still got to pick out and order carpet for the top!

Next projects:
-Finishing riser carpet, obviously
-Clean up the room!!
-Front wall full treatments using 2" fiber board wrapped in black fabric of some sort
-Put L&R speakers on stands to raise them up 6-8" - right now my rear woof is firing almost into the frame of my screen, hah
-Remove grills from L&R speakers and toy with placement a little bit more

-Build a new equipment rack for sub amps in the closet. I've been thinking about this hard as my current spot is very hard to access. After some consideration, I could keep the same area, but make an entry way/door/panel through the bathroom! I'll need something sturdy as I'm likely going to be moving to heavier amps. smile.gif


Yeah, I thought about going higher but I'm glad I didn't it worked out really well. I absolutely love it!! My girls do to.

Here is the finished product:





All the details are in the 2nd post in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1478065/carps-basement#post_23446334



My riser is a little bit more narrow than the couch but the bracing under the couch fits with a lot of room to spare. I went with that size because I could get a really cheap 5x7 rug at wall mart.
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Carp - As I mentioned earlier, room is looking great! Glad you are enjoying the riser as much as I am!

Big thanks to Ufokillerz with coming through with some new gear. Got home this afternoon and immediately pulled the screen down and installed the new matching Yorkville U215 center! Also propped the L&R's up on stands to bring them to proper ear height for the 2nd row. In addition, I pulled the grills off all of them, which was long overdue. Ran XT32 and doing some listening now - incredible. These speakers continue to impress me. Also new is an Oppo 93 - what a nice piece of equipment!

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Really liking the nude look here - so mean! Too bad they're hidden now. smile.gif This horn looks a lot larger with the grills off.



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I agree, they look a lot better uncovered. They look intimidating! smile.gif

I'm curious, do you notice a picture quality difference with the Oppo?
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he actually got a 3rd and a 4th one, he'll have to figure out what to do with the 4th one, all he left me with is my single u15 center channel

i'm pretty sure gorilla left my place a happy man! not too sure what mrs. has to say about this though hah
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he actually got a 3rd and a 4th one, he'll have to figure out what to do with the 4th one, all he left me with is my single u15 center channel

i'm pretty sure gorilla left my place a happy man! not too sure what mrs. has to say about this though hah

A happy man for sure I am. Thanks again for everything today. The new center sounds phenomenal! I will be busy for some time now for sure with the new toys. biggrin.gif luckily the wife was pretty cool about the day's purchases too. tongue.gif
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Yes sir, I've also got a 4th as a back up as well. biggrin.gif

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I agree, they look a lot better uncovered. They look intimidating! smile.gif

I'm curious, do you notice a picture quality difference with the Oppo?

Honestly, I'm not sure yet about an increase in video quality. We watched a movie tonight (DVD) and I listened to a few music tracks so far. The audio is so clear it's unreal, but to be honest I haven't noticed any drastic changes in the video. It could be my projector isn't dialed it completely (very likely) but then again I was already happy with the picture prior to the oppo. I will get to some more blu ray content this week and report back. cool.gif

Oh - and for sure I'm looking forward to pickup up some SACDs to try soon. I had been mostly happy with my ps3 to date. My biggest gripes were: lack of SACDs playback, non rf remote, hdmi sync issues with my denon, and noisy fan. I'm happy to address all of these seem to be addressed with the oppo.
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Whoa, hold on, are you saying the audio is better using the Oppo? Uh oh.... that would motivate me more to get one than video improvements.

When you do your amp comparison GTG you should also compare different players vs. using winamp/itunes/whatever. If you have time that is, I know how fast time goes at a GTG.
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Carp - I'm going to have to do an A/B comparison to confirm, but man it sounds good. Keep in mind I also raised the L/R and pulled the grills off, so that may have helped as well.
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