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Damn, very sorry to hear that Dave. Like any consumable in life though, it can be fixed and repaired with just a little time. At the least cut a hole where the source of the water is to allow it to drain and to inspect for moisture.
Thanks man, sorry to drag this in your thread, but I needed to vent somewhere. I needed a humble place to come I am trying to be humble about it. The good thing is that the ceiling really needed another coat of black as it is very difficult to roll jet black paint as it leaves roller marks. It turned out pretty good, but really could use another coat and I also got some advise how to do it better. I think I am going to strip the room and paint the whole room over again. Arggggh. The thing that really sucks is this is quiet rock. $50 bucks a sheet. I am hoping I can even get it.
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Ditto...sometime I am going to have get down your way to see the JVC and hear your Danley's. The ones you brought the popalocks were pretty killer, and the fact you like these even more is intriguing.
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Thanks man, sorry to drag this in your thread, but I needed to vent somewhere. I needed a humble place to come I am trying to be humble about it. The good thing is that the ceiling really needed another coat of black as it is very difficult to roll jet black paint as it leaves roller marks. It turned out pretty good, but really could use another coat and I also got some advise how to do it better. I think I am going to strip the room and paint the whole room over again. Arggggh. The thing that really sucks is this is quiet rock. $50 bucks a sheet. I am hoping I can even get it.
This time around, go to Lowes, buy you the wagner electric HVLP sprayer, tape off your room and spray it. I did that for the theater, and while it is a pain and very time consuming to tape everything completely off, you get the most amazingly smooth and seamless paint job that is impossible to recreate via roller or brush. Once the taping is done, you toss several coats on in one evening and you are done. It takes less paint, goes WAY faster (after the taping off) and looks absolutely incredible...
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Oh and if you need pointers on the spraying process, gimme a shout. It is pretty easy, you just have to cut the paint with purified water to thin it out a bit and you are good to go.

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Dave, sucks big time about the water leak. Sitting down with a cup coffee was about the best reaction. Mine probably would have more ballistic.

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That blows. I feel your pain about water leaks though. We have an old 60s ranch that leaked around the chimney causing a mold problem. Got the chimney reflashed and mold taken care of, my buddy replaced and mudded the ceiling...an expensive nightmare.
Then during a few heavy rains we started having water dripping into our den around a big bay window and even coming out of a knot hole in the wall (pine paneling) that ran down into the cabinet with all the DVDs. My neighbor helped me angle my gutters better above the window since they weren't draining right, and no problems since *knock on wood*
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Dave, sucks big time about the water leak. Sitting down with a cup coffee was about the best reaction. Mine probably would have more ballistic.
Yeah there was no sense going crazy. My heart actually sank. My wife was crying, so it was more a sad thing to wake up to. I just gotta get focused and start over, judging by the news, some people had some major flooding in their homes.

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Oh and if you need pointers on the spraying process, gimme a shout. It is pretty easy, you just have to cut the paint with purified water to thin it out a bit and you are good to go.
Thanks for the advise. I had talked to someone last week about spraying the ceiling out. I also got a tip to add water to the paint for rolling. It will keep it from drying so fast. One of the problems I was having was that it was drying so fast that by the time I dunked the roller for some paint, my last path was already dry. I am so bummed out. I was so close. Now I have to strip the room which took me two days to do all the trim work, wall plates etc. I will look at spraying it. I am even considering ripping out the rock and going back to a drop ceiling. My head is also flooded this morning.
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That blows. I feel your pain about water leaks though. We have an old 60s ranch that leaked around the chimney causing a mold problem. Got the chimney reflashed and mold taken care of, my buddy replaced and mudded the ceiling...an expensive nightmare.
Then during a few heavy rains we started having water dripping into our den around a big bay window and even coming out of a knot hole in the wall (pine paneling) that ran down into the cabinet with all the DVDs. My neighbor helped me angle my gutters better above the window since they weren't draining right, and no problems since *knock on wood*
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I am not getting upset over it. I know people have had it worse. The only thing is I was so excited to finally have the room done. I have been through so much aggravation over the last year, not to mention that I put a complete new roof on even down to the plywood over the theater and all I did was chase the leak higher. My worst fear was putting the sheetrock on the ceiling knowing there was a problem, I thought it was fixed and in the end it came back and bit me. The last thing I needed was a 4" rain storm till the roofer got here and sure enough we get hit with a freak T storm with 4" of rain in an hour.
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The roofer gave you a warranty didn't he? I figured he'd be liable for the repairs. You'll still have a PITA to deal with but maybe no more money out of your pocket?
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The roofer gave you a warranty didn't he? I figured he'd be liable for the repairs. You'll still have a PITA to deal with but maybe no more money out of your pocket?
That guy sucked. I called him back in March and he wanted to give me a discount and free shingles. He wanted 2K to shingle the roof and patch it. I did the whole roof, with plywood and shingles and rain and ice shield for $1200. However I cannot gloat about that because I am still screwed, but I would not have been better off. It is just unfortant that the roofer I hired yesterday did not get here in time to fix it. Just a freak storm at a bad time.

Here are some pics. The rock is not wet, just the joints i.e. Tape and mud joints. Nothing is wet wet and no water is visible or dripping. I called a contractor that I can trust and he said considering I used Roxul and quiet rock I may be alright. We can probably just retape it. Man it is funny how 2 coats of primer and 2 coats of paint peeled right off. I may peal the whole ceiling. I have a fan drying the roof and I am going up above to see what I can do.
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That really sux Dave. I'm very sorry to hear about that!

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I found the leak in the room in front of the theater room last week. I noticed a small wet spot on the ceiling and went up to investigate and everything above in the attic was dry?
I did roofing for a few years and one thing I learned from my experience is that water is an insidious foe. Rarely will the source of the leak and its exit into the living area be near each other. You have to learn how the stuff travels, which isn't as simple as most people think. I did a lot of leak detection in my time and more than once it turned out to be quite an ordeal to trace back the source.

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Dave, you really have my respect for not getting upset - I couldn't do that. Way to take it in stride man....

When I throw a fit about something like this happening I need to remind myself that I need to be happy that my family is healthy and happy and then I finally calm down. Sounds like you are much less of a cry baby than I am.
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Dave, you really have my respect for not getting upset - I couldn't do that. Way to take it in stride man....

When I throw a fit about something like this happening I need to remind myself that I need to be happy that my family is healthy and happy and then I finally calm down. Sounds like you are much less of a cry baby than I am.
Sounds to me like you need to just have a cup o joe like Dave did and ponder life and all its complexities next time you have an issue. Water works too, or juice, or an ice cold beverage of your choice. Mine right now seems to be miller lite You are in the throes of a new school year right now Sheldon, how is that going so far? My mother has been a teacher for 30 years now so I can understand the stress elevation for you when after a difficult day, something ends up not going right at home. I respect teacher's resolve and patience more than any other profession I know of, and that is putting it lightly...

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Sounds to me like you need to just have a cup o joe like Dave did and ponder life and all its complexities next time you have an issue. Water works too, or juice, or an ice cold beverage of your choice. Mine right now seems to be miller lite You are in the throes of a new school year right now Sheldon, how is that going so far? My mother has been a teacher for 30 years now so I can understand the stress elevation for you when after a difficult day, something ends up not going right at home. I respect teacher's resolve and patience more than any other profession I know of, and that is putting it lightly...
Yeah you are right... I typically throw a hissy fit and then I'm done and back to normal. Character flaw for sure....

Things are good. I spent my first 15 years teaching 9th graders and then last year the buildings re-aligned and I taugh 7th and 8th graders. I hated it at first, but I'm getting used to it. What is great about this year is that I had all the 8th graders last year so they are already "broken in". Student break in is real (haha).

To give you an idea of how much harder my broken in kids try, we just had our Pacer test. This is the fitness test where you run back and forth in the gym from line to line (20 meters apart) every time the beep sounds on the CD. The beeps get faster and faster and you keep going until you can't go anymore. The 8th graders did GREAT. I had 21 8th graders run 83 laps or more which is above the highest category of fitness. The best ran 121.

For the 7th graders which are new to me only 6 kids ran 70 laps or more which for them is the highest category of fitness. The best 7th grader ran 81 laps.

So.... once again a lot of work to be done to brain wash the 7th graders into buying into working hard in PE and to try to get into better shape. It will happen, it always does but it's always hard work. I don't run the typical roll the ball out PE class. Sure we play games too but the class overall is very demanding.
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Man that sucks Dave, sorry to hear about the roof!
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I did roofing for a few years and one thing I learned from my experience is that water is an insidious foe. Rarely will the source of the leak and its exit into the living area be near each other. You have to learn how the stuff travels, which isn't as simple as most people think. I did a lot of leak detection in my time and more than once it turned out to be quite an ordeal to trace back the source.
Well I found the source and I know now why I never found it. It is running down the truss or joist what ever you want to call it. However I do have a truss roof. The farkin water has been running down the center of joist and falling off each side which is why it is in multiple rooms. The end of the truss actually butts up to my theater room. So the water just ran down the truss last night and ran into the room. There is also a transition onto my theater roof which I thought was the problem, but it is higher. Kinda hard to explain, but long story short, I got freakin water on my sheetrock.

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Dave, you really have my respect for not getting upset - I couldn't do that. Way to take it in stride man....

When I throw a fit about something like this happening I need to remind myself that I need to be happy that my family is healthy and happy and then I finally calm down. Sounds like you are much less of a cry baby than I am.
I had a deep feeling that this was going to happen. I knew there was a problem, but I did not think it would escalate like this. Like I said earlier, I was more bummed out than anything. I have wanted this theater so bad it is almost child like excitement. I was just about done. I am sooooo happy it happened now and I caught it before the nice carpet was installed and not to mention any water damage to the electronics, chairs or worst yet the 215's I can guarantee you that if this would have happened after I was completely finished and set up, I would have had to pull a Chris Farley on the people that helped me and screwed this all up.

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Well I found the source and I know now why I never found it. It is running down the truss or joist what ever you want to call it. However I do have a truss roof. The farkin water has been running down the center of joist and falling off each side which is why it is in multiple rooms. The end of the truss actually butts up to my theater room. So the water just ran down the truss last night and ran into the room. There is also a transition onto my theater roof which I thought was the problem, but it is higher. Kinda hard to explain, but long story short, I got freakin water on my sheetrock.
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I really need a laugh right now myself. We got slammed by a thunderstorm at like 2am and it was like nothing I have not heard or felt in 10 years. I have been chasing a leak above the point from where I put on a new roof for the theater for a month now and finally hired a roofer to fix the leak. The good news is I do not need a new roof, but a simple repair. He said he would be out in 4 days but 4 days to late. Last night the rain was so heavy that it ruined my ceiling in the theater. Came down a soffit vent and got into the theater. I don't know yet what to do. I don't know If I am going to have to pull the sheet rock or just strip the tape and re tape and mud. I have no access to the ceiling from above, thus the reason I wanted a drop ceiling. I cannot go up in the attic and see what exactly is what. I just poured a cup of coffee and sat down and just trying to gather my thoughts and evaluate things and see where I go from here. I was a week away from opening the theater.
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This happened in my villa the same day you posted this message. Just now getting to post the video up. Check it out... Glad I don't own this place...haha



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Got any pics of the water damage?

This happened in my villa the same day you posted this message. Just now getting to post the video up. Check it out... Glad I don't own this place...haha
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Wow, looks like the same leak I had. All my water came out of the recessed lighting also. We found the leak this morning. I just hope he gets back here with the crew fast as there is a Hurricane brewing. I don't need 12 inches of rain right now. The roofer calked it, but I'n not trusting any caulk if this storm comes up the coast.

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LOL, the Jeep is gone, new F150.

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Thanks Dave. From what I've read I think you will really like the panny 8000. I'm not into the video stuff nearly as much as audio, but I can appreciate I nice picture.

Received and installed the Sony tonight! First impressions - Really, really, really nice picture right out of the box. Relatively easy swap from my Epson. Contrast is VERY nice, picture is super sharp, and blacks are very deep. I don't care much for the "motion control" feature so I'll be leaving that off. "Reality creation" seems nice, although not drastic at least with the lower settings. When I popped in Art of Flight I would have sworn it was in 3D! PLENTY of light output for my room and screen in pretty much all modes. "Game" / high lamp mode has some crazy output. Only negative I can see vs. my epson is that the lens shift adjustment is more limited. I am still impressed with my epson considering cost and the blacks on the epson were really nice as well. Overall happy with the purchase, especially considering I'm not much of a videophile at all.
Just looking at the Sony VPL-HW55ES vs your old Epson 8700UB.

Just 100 extra lumens, lower contrast ratio and a different display tech (LCD vs SRXD). *Sigh* I need to educate myself on projectors more.
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Just looking at the Sony VPL-HW55ES vs your old Epson 8700UB.

Just 100 extra lumens, lower contrast ratio and a different display tech (LCD vs SRXD). *Sigh* I need to educate myself on projectors more.
Sony (and JVC) has LcoS panels, so slightly to tremendously better convergence than 3LCD, dynamic iris and contrast, lens control, 3d, the list goes on

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Just looking at the Sony VPL-HW55ES vs your old Epson 8700UB.

Just 100 extra lumens, lower contrast ratio and a different display tech (LCD vs SRXD). *Sigh* I need to educate myself on projectors more.
What size screen? How light controlled the room?

Have you seen the 6030? (or 5030?) Impressive for the price.

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