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I have a lead on some chairs that are sold right here is Jersey, but unfortunately the place is up by NYC about a 2hr ride. They are Fushions. They seem pretty popular however they are a bit pricy for the Escape's that I like. They are $2600 bucks. They have the cheaper material and they are $300 bucks cheaper. I would like to ride up and sit in them, but that is a haul, not to mention a nightmare with traffic. I may roll the dice and just get them. The wife and I went to dinner last night then went on a hunt for theater chairs. The only ones we found were a curved set of 5 but they had big compartments in-between and the set was huge!! Way to big for my room. On the flip side they were so comfortable, my wife kept saying she loved how she sank in and she loved the power recline. If I had the room I would have bought that set. I would love to find them in a row of 3, but smaller.

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These are what I want. They even have power headrest This guy is said to be great to deal with. Great CS

Kevin (goes by mr Smithers) has those but one level down, they have the manual headrest. I like them ok, but they are a very firm feeling seat. He says they are great for sitting for long periods of time, he stays comfortable. He said he thought he wanted a cushy seat too but is happy with what he has. I want the best of both worlds, cushy and comfortable for long periods. I sat in the row one seat for over an hour and it was still comfortable even though it is soft so hopefully it works long term for me.

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Your theater is great Carp, thanks for the demo. The 215s are ridiculous! You have me wanting to reconfigure my mains to incorporate a 12" sub in them for 2ch listening.
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Those mains are just massive, though they are dwarfed by your array of subs. Do the lights in the neighbourhood dim when you turn your system on?

BTW: Thanks for the advice on speakers carp. I'm happy with I have and how they are fitting into my theater build......though JTR and Danley's are tempting.

I'm putting my L/R in the same position that you put yours but behind a cabinet and grill cloth. Does the toe in really make the soundstage extremely wide and immersive?

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Those mains are just massive, though they are dwarfed by your array of subs. Do the lights in the neighbourhood dim when you turn your system on?

BTW: Thanks for the advice on speakers carp. I'm happy with I have and how they are fitting into my theater build......though JTR and Danley's are tempting.

I'm putting my L/R in the same position that you put yours but behind a cabinet and grill cloth. Does the toe in really make the soundstage extremely wide and immersive?
Sure man, any time I'm glad to heard you are liking your setup!

If you do the extreme toe in thing you get a wider sweet spot but it's not any more immersive. I don't like the look of having them toed in that much and since it's usually just me in the main LP I don't need a wider sweet spot. I do toe them in some though, I have them toed in to intersect just behind my head.
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^^ Carp, I also found with too much toe in, my impulse response measurements worsened. By pointing them to much at the opposite walls you lose some of the benefit of the horn and you start getting more room interaction. After a lot of listening and retesting I now point them each just to the outside of the MLP. Of course room dimensions, treatments and speaker distances are a huge part of the equation but just thought I would mention my experience.

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^^ Carp, I also found with too much toe in, my impulse response measurements worsened. By pointing them to much at the opposite walls you lose some of the benefit of the horn and you start getting more room interaction. After a lot of listening and retesting I now point them each just to the outside of the MLP. Of course room dimensions, treatments and speaker distances are a huge part of the equation but just thought I would mention my experience.
Interesting that we both ended up toeing in similarly. I have found I like the exact same toe in with the 215's that I did with the 212's.
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Interesting that we both ended up toeing in similarly. I have found I like the exact same toe in with the 215's that I did with the 212's.
I think my toe in will be roughly where yours are at. The good news for me is that the speakers will be hidden behind my cabinets which was a complaint you had above with regard to the angle. If I had the L/R behind my screen I'd not be able to toe them in very much. I'd also be in line with my outside seats and I think they would suffer.

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I think my toe in will be roughly where yours are at. The good news for me is that the speakers will be hidden behind my cabinets which was a complaint you had above with regard to the angle. If I had the L/R behind my screen I'd not be able to toe them in very much. I'd also be in line with my outside seats and I think they would suffer.
Yep, which is why if I ever go AT I won't be putting the mains behind the screen - that's for sure.
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Yep, which is why if I ever go AT I won't be putting the mains behind the screen - that's for sure.
I see your mains in the pictures. Your L/R would not fit behind an AT screen even if you wanted them to. From woofer to woofer you are the limits of your current screen size. They could be used as sea containers

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I see your mains in the pictures. Your L/R would not fit behind an AT screen even if you wanted them to. From woofer to woofer you are the limits of your current screen size. They could be used as sea containers
Ahhh but when 4K rolls around....

Nah, you are right I'll never want a wider screen than this especially since the screen would be closer to me if I went AT.

Speaking of upgrades, I don't see anything happening for quite a while. I really am happy with how everything is right now. That's a good thing because I am out of money.
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Carp, I just found your page and your theater is amazing. I'm very impressed with the total look of it. I have an unfinished basement that one day will get a dedicated room like yours! I look forward to further updates. JT
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Thanks man!! Good luck on your basement project, it will be so worth the time and money.
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Decided to finally go nearfield. Huge thanks to Doug (d_c) for building me a box that will fit behind my seat and in front of the second row riser.

Doug sent me these pics yesterday:












I ordered a B stock SI 18 on Sunday, shipped from North Carolina on Monday, and it got here today (Wednesday).



I got a D2 so I can use a spare channel from an Inuke 3000 which will give it roughly 600 watts. I know the driver can take a lot more, but all my upfront drivers are getting 625 each so this should be plenty since the sub will be so close to me. I thought about using the Dayton Ultimax driver or maybe even a UXL or something else - but - when it's 149 including shipping for the driver, and I already have an amp for it since it's so efficient it's a no-brainer. I should have done this (errr I mean asked Doug) a long time ago!
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Should be a sweet addition!!!
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I hope so, everyone seems to rave about it that has tried it. You don't have anything behind your seats do you? BTW, love the new screen - Falcon Horizon right? I'm thinking about getting one.
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Nice! No need to spend the extra money on the UXL since this is nearfield. Enjoy!

What are the box dimensions?
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Nice! No need to spend the extra money on the UXL since this is nearfield. Enjoy!

What are the box dimensions?
Thanks! It's pretty thin since it has to fit. It's 11 inches deep on the top, 19 inches deep on the bottom, 20 inches tall, and 36 inches wide.
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I have thought about getting 18's behind my seats instead of the 12's and a box like that would work out good. I just don't think that I need to do anything with them because it is nearfield and I am enjoying the bass response that I have right now. Maybe some triangular shaped boxes with some 18's in the front left corner of my theater in the future if I do decide to add some more bass.

I really need to find an excuse to come visit some of you KC guys one day. I would love to hear your setup. Maybe in two years when the Eagles play the Chiefs I can make that trip.
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A couple of new additions. Neither has worked out yet, haha, just my luck.

First was the new AT screen from Elite that I bought off of Amazon.





Same exact size as my current screen, 158 inches diagonal.

Too bad it looks terrible:




So, with advice from Steven @Scrappydue who went through the exact same think I called Elite and they told me they will replace it if I send in all the proof of purchase and pics that show the issues. The guy told me the screen may not have been designed to work with a projector that puts out pixels as small as mine. Hmmmm it's supposed to be a 1080p screen, says so right in the title.



Whatever, Scrappy loves his replacement AT material so I'm hoping I will too. Asim (asoof1) has the same material as I do but his screen looks awesome, he sent me a bunch of close up pics that look fantastic.

Here are more pics of my nearfield sub that Doug built.









I couldn't get Duratex because they won't ship it when it gets below freezing because it ruins it so Doug suggested I use Rustoleum truck bed liner. Good call!!















Fully reclined, no issues with hitting the box or driver.






The driver isn't in yet because I hate speakons. Yes, that's right. I hate them and they know I hate them which is why they screwed me over today.

We used a 2 pole female speakon and I'll I have is 4 pole male connectors. Little did I know that you can put a 2 pole into a 4 pole but not the other way around. Da*n you speakons with your stripping of the little screws, screws that just keep turning but don't tighten because the threads are jacked up, that little part that holds the wires in place and is nearly impossible to cram back into place before twisting the speakon back together - and now this. I told you Jonathan. @Archaea Speakons suck. Let me tell you how many times I have had a speaker wire come loose from a normal speaker terminal connection - zero.

Ok, end rant, just want to hear this bad boy right behind me!!


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Can't say enough about what a great job Doug did, I told him that his corners and edges lined up better than my flat packs did and it's the truth!!
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Can't say enough about what a great job Doug did, I told him that his corners and edges lined up better than my flat packs did and it's the truth!!

Aw, shucks, I'm happy you like it!
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Where is all this screen talk and pics posted? I wanted to see what others are posting.
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Where is all this screen talk and pics posted? I wanted to see what others are posting.

Here is some posts by Asim, he is what got me thinking to try the Elite screen:


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The other shots I was talking about were what he texted to me I can sent them to you.
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That finish looks great on your new sub. So only one seat gets the special nearfield treatment? That sub is going to be pounding on you! Hahaha love it!

Sucks about the sreen. I don't fully understand why they are going to send you another screen. Shouldn't that screen already be the correct one?? Why are there two different kinds?
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That finish looks great on your new sub. So only one seat gets the special nearfield treatment? That sub is going to be pounding on you! Hahaha love it!

Sucks about the sreen. I don't fully understand why they are going to send you another screen. Shouldn't that screen already be the correct one?? Why are there two different kinds?
Thanks - haha, yeah it's the selfish nearfield treatment for sure!

As far as the screen goes I really don't get it. At first I thought that Elite is just trying to sell as many of the lower level screens as they can knowing some will return them since that's what happened to Scrappy due (Steven) and me, but asoof1 (Asim) got the same material as I did and he sent me a bunch of close up screen shots and his looks great so I have no idea what to think...
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Digging the near field thing that's for sure! Very impressive both for music and movies. With just the one driver I really can't tell it's behind me, even well above 80hz. If I move my head over a couple feet it's obvious but if I stay dead center I can run it up to 150hz and it's not localizable at all. Currently I have it crossed at 80 with a 6 db boost at 70hz for a nice kick drum punch feel. Who knows how I'll end up running it, right now it's just fun to experiment.

I did hear a very quick "pop" during a bassy movie scene, not sure what it was. No way I could bottom the sub with 1 channel from an inuke 3000 (600 or so watts since I have a D2 SI 18 so 4 ohm load on the inuke), so maybe it was a bad amp sound or a bad driver sound as a result of the amp clipping?




I had to pull down a huge hump from 35-65 hz for the nearfield sub, but here is what I ended up with.



Red = 8 subs up front
Blue = nearfield sub
Black = both combined, nearfield sub 8 ft. delay added on inuke


Love this stuff, looking forward to doing some measuring/experimenting tomorrow.
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