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The Abyss Theater

Update as of June 13, 2017: We have now, after 4 years , given a name to our theater .."The Abyss".

Why? We are in the process of turning it into a black hole (should be completed by July 1st --- or sooner). The photos below are no longer up-to-date. Once the project is completed, I will update the photos. This project is all a result of the thread on blackening the room and at first I was skeptical but tried a few things and it really made a difference. I don't know how to do anything part way so I"m not.

The first 5 feet of the ceiling is covered in black velvet. Under the front soffit is covered in black velvet. All wall surfaces/doors are/will be covered in black GOM. The four columns are covered in gray GOM. The first 9 feet of carpet is being replaced by very black carpet.


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We moved from another home and brought with us our theater equipment less the screen, masking system and room treatment ...... and then changed almost everything we brought with us [the nature of this addiction hobby!!!]

The current room dimensions are 22 x 19.3 x 7'11". The room was originally a loft but we basically built an entire new room: double dry wall; Green Glue, carpet underlay to reduce sound from creeping into other parts of the house, new doors and door seals and thresholds, sealed all electrical outlets. The room was originally 27 feet long but took off 5 feet to get better acoustic dimensions and to have a place for my equipment and media storage. Also, we needed space for the center channel which is behind the AT screen.

VIDEO EQUIPMENT:JVC RS 500 w/ Powered UH480 Panamorph Anamorphic Lens and sled; Screen Masking System by Carada; Seymour Acoustically Transparent 2:35 120 x 51 inch screen (~1.0 Gain - XD Material);

SPEAKERS: LCR: Triad Platinum LCR's; SUBS: 8 Seaton F18 subs (2 Masters and 6 Slaves driven by 4000 watt amp in each Master -- 2 in each of the front two corners) and (4) Seaton located along the rear wall; Surrounds: Triad Silver In-Room Monitors; (4) Tannoy Di6 DC heights (Atmos/Auro/DTS:X)

ELECTRONICS: Datasat RS20i Surround Processor; APS 2000 Power Conditioner; Emotive XPA-5 driving the 4 ceiling speakers; d-sonic 7 channel amp (800 x 3 and 400 x 4)

SOURCES: Music Vault Diamond Music Server (J River and J Remote for controlling my music server); Kaleidescape Alto Movie Player; Kaleidescape DV700 Disc Server; DirecTV 4K DVR; Amazon 4K Fire TV; Oppo 203 4K Blu Ray Player

ROOM STUFF: Theater chairs by Berkline; Room design and all acoustic treatment by AcousticSolutionsLLC & GIK.

MISCELLANEOUS EQUIPMENT: BlueJeans Cables (XLR and Single Ended), HDMI and Speaker Wire; Middle Atlantic Equipment Rack; Control4 System Controller; HD Fury/Integral

LISTENING BIASES: This room is used for both movies and music. I figured out a long time ago that there is not a 2 channel system capable of recreating a live event in any room - at any price. Multi-channel enhancement of 2 channel music, to my ears, is a huge improvement over 2 channel (still not marginally close to a live event). I used to believe that a great home audio system could at least reproduce a 3 piece jazz combo. But then my wonderful bride surprised me for a birthday and hired a 3 piece jazz combo to play in our home. If live music is 100, then the very, very best 2 channel audio system is a 10 - maybe!!! It is that far apart. So I quit the chase toward perfection (and the attendant expense) and decided to focus on fun. (Still ain't cheap - and it is still an addiction interesting hobby!!!). There are few pieces of music that don't sound more "fun" to my ears when expanded to multi-channel. Given my age and how long I listened to JUST 2 channels, the transition took a while, but now there is no going back - thanks, in part, to CraigJohn (and to my RS20i).

UPDATED PHOTOS: These colors are not accurate. The wall paint is a fairly dark gray and the carpet is also a dark gray. The wide angle camera lens also distorts distances. My eyes are about 14 feet from the screen (120 inch wide). The front baffle of the speakers are about 3.5 feet in front of the wall. The front of the black panels under, over and to the right of the screen are about 5 inches from the wall. The front wall, behind the screen, is covered in 2 inches of acoustic material - the same stuff that is in the panels.










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Fantastic room and equipment. I bet it is pure joy. Enjoy!!!!!
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Thank you. The red throw blankets add just the needed touch of color.

As noted above, the sound for music (using DiracLive on my server) is very nice. I will need to re-run Audyssey (Pro) as the sound for movies is a bit less than stellar.

Since this is the first time I have had a theater on a second story (wooden floor - not a basement concrete floor) the bass response is quite a different tactile sensation. It will take some getting use to.

I have kept track of your theater also and LOVE the crisp look of the room as well as the speakers you selected. (And my OCD antenna went hyperactive when I observed all of the vacuum marks on you carpet).

What a strange hobby/disease/addiction we have !!!! biggrin.gif

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Thank you. The red throw blankets add just the needed touch of color.

As noted above, the sound for music (using DiracLive on my server) is very nice. I will need to re-run Audyssey (Pro) as the sound for movies is a bit less than stellar.

Since this is the first time I have had a theater on a second story (wooden floor - not a basement concrete floor) the bass response is quite a different tactile sensation. It will take some getting use to.

I have kept track of your theater also and LOVE the crisp look of the room as well as the speakers you selected. (And my OCD antenna went hyperactive when I observed all of the vacuum marks on you carpet).

What a strange hobby/disease/addiction we have !!!! biggrin.gif

We have somewhat similar tastes. I have a 7.2 JTR set-up but the Seaton Cats have always intruiged me and would love to hear them one day. I just ordered new LCR speakers today...got the JTR Noesis 212 for LCR as a replacement for my JTR T12 and T8. Now time to start saving up my pennies for a 4K projector like yours :-)

Enjoy your new room. It is awesome!!!
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Love the look of your new room.

I can only imagine how nice it will sound once you are at 100% complete and done tweaking. Your previous room is still my favorite sounding room to date, so I hope to hear this one some day. smile.gif
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We have somewhat similar tastes. I have a 7.2 JTR set-up but the Seaton Cats have always intruiged me and would love to hear them one day. I just ordered new LCR speakers today...got the JTR Noesis 212 for LCR as a replacement for my JTR T12 and T8. Now time to start saving up my pennies for a 4K projector like yours :-)

Enjoy your new room. It is awesome!!!

Thanks again. I came close to getting JTR speakers for my surrounds because I was not able to get comfortable with a firm date commitment on the release of the thinner profile Sparks. That could still happen.

I'm sure your room sounds incredible as well. You have a serious amount of woofage.

I can't tell from the photos but do you have any kind of room treatment?

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Thank you so much. It's a fun hobby (usually)!

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Happy New Year Chuck. How's the new house coming along?


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Thanks for checking in. The house is complete and the theater is 98% complete (some cosmetic issues and installing my new Sony 600ES and getting Control4 up and running). Also need to get Audyssey to sound a bit better.

The good news is that the "upper midrange glare" I could never completely eliminate in my other theater appears to be gone biggrin.gif

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That's great news, buddy. So what do you think is different between the two rooms that eliminated the glare?


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That's great news, buddy. So what do you think is different between the two rooms that nmeliminated the glare?

I'm not sure of the cause in the other room nor the cure in this room. I'm reasonably convinced it was the type or placement of acoustic treatment and I did this room a good bit differently. What I do know is that I'm glad it's gone!

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New Sony 600ES was installed today. All I can say is W OW !!!!!!!!!!

Out of the box picture is stunning. Sports Center looks incredible. Watched a few minutes of a couple of Blurays and I am really glad I made this purchase.

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That's fantastic buddy. So when do we get an invite?

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That's fantastic buddy. So when do we get an invite?

As soon as I figure out what is wrong with one of my speakers and re-run Audyssey!!

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As soon as I figure out what is wrong with one of my speakers and re-run Audyssey!!

Sounds like a great plan.


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Watched a few minutes of the 4K version of Spider Man earlier today. Incredible biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

I have a new version of the OmniMic test data disk that has test signals for 5.1 channels. Helped a friend today to use it and by modifying sub distances in his SSP, got virtually flat response in all channels. Amazing. I will be doing the same to my system this weekend hopefully after re-running Audyssey.

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That room looks really nice Chuck. Your gear and layout are top notch. I see you are running Aud pro but you are also running DIRAC Live? It seems like that's just for music in your system. Can you use it for movies as well. If so, what would happen to the Aud calibration. Would you just not use it? Again, great room and I am on the second floor as well. Although a much smaller room.

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Upgrade possibilities: The on-wall Seaton Sparks that will fit into the four columns that were sized based upon the rumored dimension. I have no idea when they will be ready for production nor what the price will be. The next upgrade will be to try (it is on order) the yet to be delivered Emotiva SSP that will utilize Dirac, which, at least for music running on my server, is a far superior product (in my opinion) than Audyssey.

Dirac give you three choices for measurement: Single seat; Couch; room. And it is VERY carefully spelled out almost exactly where the measurement are to be taken from, and how many.

Looks great, too bad DIRAC is not available other than on the DATASAT and Computers!

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Looks great, too bad DIRAC is not available other than on the DATASAT and Computers!

Thanks for the complement. The forever delayed Emotiva SSP will use Dirac and if it becomes available during my life, I will buy one.

That said, there are a lot of little tricks you can do outside of Audyssey to allow Audyssey to sound MUCH better than without using these little tricks -- adjusting surround distance to improve envelopment; adjusting sub distance to improve FR of every speaker in the room.

Audyssey is an amazing product. I just like the capabilities and audible results better with Dirac.

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That room looks really nice Chuck. Your gear and layout are top notch. I see you are running Aud pro but you are also running DIRAC Live? It seems like that's just for music in your system. Can you use it for movies as well. If so, what would happen to the Aud calibration. Would you just not use it? Again, great room and I am on the second floor as well. Although a much smaller room.

When I run Dirac on my server, it feeds my Integra (for bass management) but I turn Audyssey off. Yes I am only using Dirac for music. Some guys have created the equivalent of an SSP on their server and can run Dirac for movies as well. I will stick with the Integra 80.2 until Emotiva releases their Dirac based SSP. If the Emotive piece is better, I will sell the Integra. If not, I will return it and keep the Integra.

And thanks, Mike, for the complement.
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When I run Dirac on my server, it feeds my Integra (for bass management) but I turn Audyssey off. Yes I am only using Dirac for music. Some guys have created the equivalent of an SSP on their server and can run Dirac for movies as well. I will stick with the Integra 80.2 until Emotiva releases their Dirac based SSP. If the Emotive piece is better, I will sell the Integra. If not, I will return it and keep the Integra.

And thanks, Mike, for the complement.
Got you. So will the Emotiva SSP have both Audyssey and Dirac or just Dirac for everything.

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Got you. So will the Emotiva SSP have both Audyssey and Dirac or just Dirac for everything.

Only Dirac!

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Got you. I hope the Emotiva piece is a good one. I don't know much about them except what I have seen on their website

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Got you. I hope the Emotiva piece is a good one. I don't know much about them except what I have seen on their website.

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I have used the Emotiva 3 channel amp which I loved (when I had passive surrounds) their preamp (which was really really good) and am currently using their DAC. I'm sure the new SSP won't be up to the standards of a Theta Casablanca but it will also be about 1/10th of the price !!

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So that's a 7.x channel preamp right? It looks like from your system config that it would work fine but you don't see any need for heights or wide speakers in your setup?

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So that's a 7.x channel preamp right? It looks like from your system config that it would work fine but you don't see any need for heights or wide speakers in your setup?


I have no doubt that the addition of either heights and/or wides might improve the overall experience, but I have to stop somewhere. I have a 4K projector that throws an image that is hard to describe -- more brightness, better color and better clarity, an anamorphic lens that operates on an automated sled, a new unity gain screen with a new automated masking system each of which allows me to see wide screen film in all of it's glory, speakers that have incredible real and dynamic sound in a well treated room. And through some extension of the Mark Seaton trick of adjusting bass distances in the SSP, we have been able to get very flat response in all 7 channels. Lastly, by didling with the distances of the surrounds, overall envelopment can be vastly improved. I have ZERO complaints nor any desire to add more stuff .... other than an improved SSP. My HT audio and video is as good as I have ever heard/seen at any price anywhere and, my 2 channel music listening is way more than adequate!!

And, should I desire to add either heights or wides, I will move the rear surrounds to operate in that capacity.

Lastly, I am going to be fully retired soon and the ability to spend 47 bazillion dollars quarterly (or whatever it costs to maintain this addiction), will no longer be an option

EDIT (dated June 10, 2015): The above post is incredibly embarrassing. Less than a year after the post, I swapped out my 7 Seaton Speakers for Triad, converted to Dolby Atmos so I changed SSP's added an additional amp to drive the 4 new/additional ceiling speakers and of course added the 4 ceiling speakers. And lastly (for the moment) swapped the Seaton SubMersives for DIY Stereo Integrity HST18's last month. Apparently, this hobby/addiction has no end, retired or not.

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That's so great that you have arrived. Your video setup sounds like a real winner as well. It does sound like you are at, or near the end of the journey. I guess the only other thing is if native 4k. I am assuming that if that comes down the pike for movies, you will move into that area and that would be it. But I have no doubt that your system is reference ++.

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