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My 13.4.12 "Franken-SWAtmos" living room.

I get a lot of questions about my setup, so i tought i could make a thread explaining it a little more. And maybe some pics too.

Short version: i use more than one Atmos AVR's to expand beyond the 7.1.4/9.1.2 hardware limit on todays affordable gear.

Did a quick and dirty diagram of the setup.
Blue speakers powered by the 7200.
Red speakers powered by the 6200.
Yellow speakers powered by the 5200.



I will try to have the first post as updated about the setup as possible, and then take the details as we go.

Edit: updated Feb -17:

My HT is in the right half of my living room, and the room dimensions are:

5.1x4.1x2.4 meter

16.5Wx13.5Dx7.8H feet


EDIT sep17:

Or about 1800 cubic feet
(+ the other half).

Gear.
Panasonic DMP-UB900 UHD player
HD FURY Integral
Oppo BDP-103 BD player
Darbee Darblet
Canal Digital HD PVR satellite-box
Apple TV3
PS3 (fat)
XBOX360
Denon AVR-X7200WA
Denon AVR-X6200W
Denon AVR-X5200W
Yamaha RX-V3067
Inuke NU6000DSP
JVC DLA X500R
Dreamscreen V2 dynagrey 120" screen
Samsung UE65JU7005 UHDTV

Front=Klipsch RF-82 mk1
Wide= Dynavoice Challenger M65 V3
Center=Klipsch RC-64 mk2
Surr= Klipsch RS52
WideSur1/Sur2=Klipsch RS42
Surrback= KEF3005SE
Height speakers= 10x KEF3005SE
Nearfield mid-bass= Behringer B1200D
LFE= SVS PB12-Plus/2
ULF= PSA S3000i +4x Crowson Shadow8 motion actuators
MiniDSP 2X4 balanced

All controlled by a Logitech Harmony Ultimate with the hub+4 extenders.

So my earlier setup was a Denon 7200/5200 combo, to get 7.1.4 + Wides + 8 channels of height speakers, for a 9.1.8 setup, explained further down on page(behing the spoiler), but i recently got a 6200 to gain HDMI 2.0 and DTS:X on the second AVR. Then i discovered "Special Wides" descrided in post 67 in this thread. Since i now had 3 Atmos AVR's, this gave me the opportunity to gain both 2 set of wides, AND keep my 8 channels of heights, for a grand total of 13.1.8 in native Atmos and 9.1.8 on DTS:X.

In daily TV use, i have just the 7200 playing DSU in a 7.1.4 setup, but it has all 14 speakers connected, for a 7.1.4 Atmos/DTS:X or 10.1 Auro 3D setup.

So in native Atmos, setup is as follows:
7200 switched to 9.1.2 for fronts @ 25 degrees, "Pure Wides" @ 50 degrees, "Pure Surrounds @ 85 degrees and Surround backs @150 degrees. Playing only 9.1.0(note 1)(note5).



6200 setup as 5.1.4+Wides(note2) for Wides/Sur1 @ 70 degrees, Sur2/Rears @110 degrees and Top Front+ Top Rear. Playing Wides, Sur2, and Tops(note4).



5200 setup as 5.1.4 for Front Height and Rear Height. Playing 0.0.4
(note 1)(note 2)(note3).



So basically the 7200 plays 9.1.0, while the 5200 plays 0.0.4(heights).
And 6200 plays 5.0.4(Wide/Sur1+Sur2/Rear+Tops).



As you can see in the little channel indicators in front display, the 7200(to the left) plays SB and WIDES, the 6200(bottom right) plays wides but no SB's and the 5200 (top right) plays no wides and no SB's.
As before, they are linked together via HDMI ZONE2 daisy-chained to the next AVR.

I only need on/off and main volume changes on the 6200/5200, so one original remote(and Harmony ultimate) handles that very well.

Note 1: both the 7200 and 5200 front and rear heights pre-out goes to the main and zone2 outputs of the Yama, so i just use the remote to switch the heights currently beeing used between the 7200 and 5200. So when the 7200 is in 9.1.2 mode, i let the 5200 power the heights.

Note 2: both the 6200 and 5200 wides pre-out goes to zone3 on the Yama, so i can choose wich one powers the Wide/sur1 speakers. This way i can use Neo:X wides from the 5200 in DSU(wich do not use wides).

Note 3: in Auro 3D, the 7200 powers the full 10.1 possible. But i can copy the 5200 surrounds(in Auro mode) to the surround back speakers(silent in Auro 10.1) for Auro "12.1" This way i get more "rear fill" than with just the 7200 surrounds @85 degrees. This is done with a dual source speaker switch. I can also power the Surround Heights with the 5200 if i change amp assign to FH+SH, for Auro "14.1".

Note 4: i have a "Center Height" speaker above the screen. This is connected to the center output of the 6200, and works as a "dialog lift", and also helps pannings between the front heights.

Note 5: the 7200 powers a VOG(sub2 pre-out) used in Auro 3D. In other formats, i can matrix a VOG using PL2 in the Yama extracted from the rear heights.


After all this was connected, all 3 AVR's got a full Pro calibration. This took a while...



I got a third !?! Kef3005SE 5.1 speaker kit for this upgrade. I switched out the surround backs from Klipsch to Kef, and the rear heights from white to black Kef's.



And got rid of the bookshelfs used as Surround Heights for white Kef's.
See the Kef sub on top of the Bluray rack? I now have bass-managment on the rear heights




Older setup behind spoiler, no longer used. Too complicated

Spoiler!


I have a lot of flexibility with this setup, but it is not advisable to leave the remote with grandma

Some pics of the recently redone living room.






























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Here' how i did it over a year ago:

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Well, screw DTS:X. Got tired of waiting, so i tried something else.
Frustrated about the 7.1.4 limit of speaker in Atmos?
Don't want the hassle of 8min config loads to get both Atmos/Auro full setups?
Can't afford the overly expensive Trinnov or Datasat?

Well, i found a way to get 9.1.6 native Atmos and 12.1 Auro 3D with 1 setup!

How?
Well, as you know, i have my Denon 5200, connected to 14 speakers, and it is setup with full 10.1 Auro:
5.1+FH+SH+TS(VOG).
Press the movie remote button and the 9.1.2 Atmos is selected:
5.1+FW+SB+FH.
Ok, since i got over a grand for my old Onkyo 3010 receiver, i used the money to buy a second Denon, this time the little brother: 4100.
So, connected some of the 5200's speakers and some new to get it calibrated, this has amp assign as follows:

Amp Assign: 9.1
Height Speakers: 4 height speakers
Height Layout: Top Middle+Rear Height
Pre-out: Front and rear height

The two receivers are connected using a HDMI from the Zone2 HDMI out from the 5200, that send full image and sound, by the way, to one of the HDMI input on the 4100.

I do not have fronts connected to the 4100, but the 4 ceiling seakers make the new native Atmos setup a full 9.1.6 :
5.1+FW+SB+FH(as before from the 5200) +TM+RH(from the 4100).



The 5200:



The 4100:



Movie button again switch to the full 10.1 Auro setup from the 5200 and with a dual source speaker switch for the Surround backs between 5200/4100 , and i gain the SB from the 4100 on the Auro setup= 12.1.

But wait, there's more. The following are connected to the 4100, eq'd and separatly calibrated from the 5200' speakers.
Side Surround B. Since the 4100 have empty surround speaker post, why not use them with a second set surround speakers placed at ca 80 degrees(surround A at 110 degrees).
Center Height. Same here, empty center speakers posts, so connected another center speaker high on the front wall.

And remember the pesky use of sub pre-out 2 for the Top Surround in Auro 10.1 setup?
Well, the 4100 has 2 brand new seperatly calibrated sub pre-outs available!

Actually, with a second dual source speaker switch, i can use the Atmos RH as SBH in Auro, since the SBH is ganged in SH anyway in Auro 15.1 setup.

So, one could say the following:

Atmos: 5.1+SB+S2+FW+FH+TM+RH+CH=11.1.7

Auro 3D:
5.1+SB+S2+FH+SH+SBH+TS+CH= 17.1

It works!! The lip sync is spot on, and espesially the 6 ceiling speakers really woke up the "spaceious" feeling, and i believe the 4100 will be staying

A couple of glitches though, but nothing major, ex. two volum buttons etc. but i can live with them.
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It has been updated since this, but the basic function is the same.
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Old 50 inch HD vs new 65 inch

When watching movies, black curtains drawn
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thanks for the write, still a bit over my head but Im sure after I read it a few more times I will get it. ^^;;

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Wow. You might single handedly keep the speaker manufacturing business in business! Your creativity is awesome. With this layout and all these speakers, and the two receivers, what formats (and which speakers are used for each specific format) are you able to play?

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thanks for the write, still a bit over my head but Im sure after I read it a few more times I will get it. ^^;;
Sure, This kind of setup is not for everybody.

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Wow. You might single handedly keep the speaker manufacturing business in business! Your creativity is awesome. With this layout and all these speakers, and the two receivers, what formats (and which speakers are used for each specific format) are you able to play?

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Well, this days with DTS:X there is a bit of reconfiguring going on to get the best total setup for all format. Especially since the 5200 is not able to do DTS:X.

But now, with just the 7200 I can do a shared setup of ATMOS/DTS:X/AURO 3D as follows.

It is setup in a 7.1.5 using FH+RH+VOG, so in ATMOS and DTS:X it is 7.1.4 and in AURO it is 5.1.5 or 10.1.
With the 5200 i can fill in several sets of speakers, like TF+TR in ATMOS. Or Surround back in AURO 3D.

I will explain more is a get done configuring.
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Need more speakers, can almost see a bit of walls between them.

Have you managed to try the Atmos demos in that setup yet?

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Need more speakers, can almost see a bit of walls between them.

Have you managed to try the Atmos demos in that setup yet?
Sure did
Man, that Battle Front demo was intense

Now with DTS:X and this demo disc i am in some serious thoughts about how to set it all up. It is A LOT to consider with all three formats.

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Nalleh,

For the multiple AVR setup I have a few questions.

Have you tried connecting the remote control in/out connection from one unit to the other?

I am curious to know if they will stay in sync if the poweron volume levels are set and they get the same vol up/down to each unit...
I wonder if the Marantz remote link will do the same without the need for a remote flasher or constant use of two remotes or a phone app.

Do the audyssey calibration volume levels match or do you set them with an SPL meter?

I actually have a Marantz SR7009 and was considering a second one or even just a simple older SR500x unit to do Surround and Back Surround and not worry about TR given that it would be only around $250 for a used 7.1 unit to get 9.2.4 and about $900 for another SR7009 to enable 9.2.6 (or 9.2.8) which is getting fairly expensive for diminishing returns (and less spousal understanding).

I read that you said that the same unit has to control surround and back surround or the backs are mixed into the sides which is a good tip! Wth only 9.2.4 I am assuming that the sound would not overlap or be mixed at all as long as I have the LCR, wides, and 4 atmos on the main receiver. Do you agree?

Thanks for doing some of the pioneering work here,

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Nalleh,

For the multiple AVR setup I have a few questions.

Have you tried connecting the remote control in/out connection from one unit to the other?

I am curious to know if they will stay in sync if the poweron volume levels are set and they get the same vol up/down to each unit...
I wonder if the Marantz remote link will do the same without the need for a remote flasher or constant use of two remotes or a phone app.

Do the audyssey calibration volume levels match or do you set them with an SPL meter?

I actually have a Marantz SR7009 and was considering a second one or even just a simple older SR500x unit to do Surround and Back Surround and not worry about TR given that it would be only around $250 for a used 7.1 unit to get 9.2.4 and about $900 for another SR7009 to enable 9.2.6 (or 9.2.8) which is getting fairly expensive for diminishing returns (and less spousal understanding).

I read that you said that the same unit has to control surround and back surround or the backs are mixed into the sides which is a good tip! Wth only 9.2.4 I am assuming that the sound would not overlap or be mixed at all as long as I have the LCR, wides, and 4 atmos on the main receiver. Do you agree?

Thanks for doing some of the pioneering work here,

Rich
I have not tried the remote in/out connections, as i use ID2 on the 7200. I would say you need two seperate remotes, because there are always situations where you need to adjust something on just one. If the AVR are different, then one command would do different thing on the two AVR's.
Yes, all the Audyssey results are rather identical.

There are two problems with using another AVR for just the surround backs.
1. On your main AVR, disabling the SB's, means it will downmix those signal into the side surrounds. Getting another AVR to do just the SB's, means the SB signal will come from both the main AVR's side surround, AND the AVR2's SB speakers.
2. Using a NON-Atmos AVR2 for your SB's, means in will have the "height-sounds" mixed into AVR2 SB's. So the sounds coming from main AVR heights, will also come from your SB's.

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I have not tried the remote in/out connections, as i use ID2 on the 7200. I would say you need two seperate remotes, because there are always situations where you need to adjust something on just one. If the AVR are different, then one command would do different thing on the two AVR's.
Yes, all the Audyssey results are rather identical.

There are two problems with using another AVR for just the surround backs.
1. On your main AVR, disabling the SB's, means it will downmix those signal into the side surrounds. Getting another AVR to do just the SB's, means the SB signal will come from both the main AVR's side surround, AND the AVR2's SB speakers.
2. Using a NON-Atmos AVR2 for your SB's, means in will have the "height-sounds" mixed into AVR2 SB's. So the sounds coming from main AVR heights, will also come from your SB's.
Thanks for the reply,

I agree that there will be some cases where the AVR setup will have to be separated. I planned on turning off one or the other manually for that setup and then using the single remote during the setup time. For normal usage I hope the volume will work from one remote. I am somewhat concerned that changing modes from say DSU->Neo:X (or DTS:X with a future AVR) would not work well when they are both powered on like you say.


If I use the secondary AVR for both side surrounds and surround backs what happens? Is this really different than having both surrounds on a separate ATMOS receiver?

Does the main AVR change its front sound stage and heights to compensate for no surrounds?
Or will the Marantz not let me run a setup that includes wide's and heights without any side or back surrounds? (I will have to verify that).


From some of the threads ATMOS is described as 7.1+Objects on the Wides and overheads. It is unclear to me if the 7.1 speakers also get objects but I understood that the wides and overheads ONLY got objects in the home atmos version (I heard that commercial atmos has some overhead channel info).

If we lose some amount of object info on the surrounds in exchange for wides and/or overheads then I am interested to see how it sounds.

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Thanks for the reply,

If I use the secondary AVR for both side surrounds and surround backs what happens? Is this really different than having both surrounds on a separate ATMOS receiver?

Does the main AVR change its front sound stage and heights to compensate for no surrounds?
Or will the Marantz not let me run a setup that includes wide's and heights without any side or back surrounds? (I will have to verify that).
Let me put it this way.
If you play a Atmos track where a helicopter goes over your head from left to right. This sound is in your 7.1. True HD track, and will sound from the surrounds/surround backs, if played in 7.1 non-Atmos.

On your ATMOS AVR, the Atmos renderer read the metadata and REMOVES that sound from your surrounds/surround backs, and places it in your rear height from left to right.

On your second NON-Atmos AVR, that sound will NOT be removed from the surrounds/surround backs, and will therefore also sound from the surrounds/surround backs.

Get it? To put it shortly: the sounds meant for the heigths, will also come from all surrounds, so it will not sound from above.

IF your second AVR is an Atmos one, then it will works as intended, as it will also have removed that sound.

And no, you can not dissable surround speakers in speaker setup. I do it with a dual source speaker switch, so i can choose if the 7200 or the 5200 plays the surrounds.

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Let me put it this way.
If you play a Atmos track where a helicopter goes over your head from left to right. This sound is in your 7.1. True HD track, and will sound from the surrounds/surround backs, if played in 7.1 non-Atmos.

On your ATMOS AVR, the Atmos renderer read the metadata and REMOVES that sound from your surrounds/surround backs, and places it in your rear height from left to right.

On your second NON-Atmos AVR, that sound will NOT be removed from the surrounds/surround backs, and will therefore also sound from the surrounds/surround backs.

Get it? To put it shortly: the sounds meant for the heigths, will also come from all surrounds, so it will not sound from above.

IF your second AVR is an Atmos one, then it will works as intended, as it will also have removed that sound.

And no, you can not dissable surround speakers in speaker setup. I do it with a dual source speaker switch, so i can choose if the 7200 or the 5200 plays the surrounds.
Thanks that helps confirm some information. I have tried to read posts around the web and in the "The official Dolby Atmos thread (home theater version)" thread but the thread is out of control with way too many posts... Adding a summary to post 1 of the official thread about the exact differences of how the bed layer works with an atmos v. TrueHD AVR would probably help a lot of people!

Given that my room is currently FH+TM I would be fine with the SB from the TrueHD AVR playing a combined RH/SB on the SB speakers but I am not sure how the side surrounds will work with that in either option....

I may play around with it and see if the downmix of SS+SB on the atmos AVR with SB from the TrueHD AVR is better or worse than floating the SS on the atmos AVR and driving both SS and SB from the TrueHD AVR.

And of course the default of no SB at all is also an option.

I see what you are saying about either choice having extra sounds on the SS and SB speakers compared to a dual atmos AVRs.

I did also check and confirmed that if I disable side surrounds then it goes all the way down to a 3.1 system without the option for wides or heights just as you said.

The unfortunate part is that if I understand things properly I would need at minimum a 7.1.2 capable atmos AVR for the second AVR or I wouldn't be able to get it to put the right content on the SS and SB speakers because the 5.1.2 avrs that I have looked at can't drive both SB and TM at the same time and would basically act like a TrueHD AVR if TM isn't enabled. Does that sound right?

Thanks for your help and explicit descriptions. It should help many who are trying to push the envelope.

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^^^ Correct !

It is not easy to get this right. If it was easy, everybody would do it, right?

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^^^ Correct !

It is not easy to get this right. If it was easy, everybody would do it, right?
Agreed.

It isn't easy and it isn't cheap to get it right.

I haven't seen an official dolby spec that really breaks down what content goes to the surrounds in atmos mode so it is good to hear what the consensus is from everyone's experiences.

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I finally see the info on how the base/heights change in 7.1/atmos in post 2615 here: The "Official" Immersive Audio Discussion thread - Atmos/DTS:X/Auro

There sure is a lot of stuff to sift through to find what is needed on this topic...
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I have a coworker who just swapped out his SR6007 with an SR5010 so he said I could play around with the SR6007 which is just sitting around now.

I am very interested to compare the surroundsin back to back listening tests with my atmos SR7009 in 7.1.4 mode and the TrueHD SR6007 in 7.1 mode. I understand that there are difference but I am curious to see if it is subtle or a big difference.

Have you tried the configuration where you setup your second AVR to drive the surrounds only to see how different it really is?

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But now, with just the 7200 I can do a shared setup of ATMOS/DTS:X/AURO 3D as follows.

It is setup in a 7.1.5 using FH+RH+VOG, so in ATMOS and DTS:X it is 7.1.4 and in AURO it is 5.1.5 or 10.1.
With the 5200 i can fill in several sets of speakers, like TF+TR in ATMOS. Or Surround back in AURO 3D.

I will explain more is a get done configuring.
Thanks for your detailed explanation for using2 AVR. It is very interesting.But I can’t afford 2 AVRs. I liked your idea of making 7200 setup in a 7.1.5 using FH+RH+VOG, so in ATMOS and DTS:X it is 7.1.4 and in AURO it is 5.1.5 or 10.1.

I have X7200WA and configured it to Atmos 7.1.4 as by the Denon book. DTS-X also plays well. Now the question is how do I make it AURO 5.1.5.
Can you please explain in detail?

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Thanks for your detailed explanation for using2 AVR. It is very interesting.But I can’t afford 2 AVRs. I liked your idea of making 7200 setup in a 7.1.5 using FH+RH+VOG, so in ATMOS and DTS:X it is 7.1.4 and in AURO it is 5.1.5 or 10.1.

I have X7200WA and configured it to Atmos 7.1.4 as by the Denon book. DTS-X also plays well. Now the question is how do I make it AURO 5.1.5.
Can you please explain in detail?

My setup is as per the drawing in Denon Book.
Well, first of all you need the Auro upgrade, and that one is not a free upgrade, such as Dts:X.
Once you have Auro 3D, in amp assign, choose 11.1( as normal), but under "height speakers" you can now choose 5 speakers= Auro 10.1, or 5.1.5.
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Well, first of all you need the Auro upgrade, and that one is not a free upgrade, such as Dts:X.
Once you have Auro 3D, in amp assign, choose 11.1( as normal), but under "height speakers" you can now choose 5 speakers= Auro 10.1, or 5.1.5.
Easy peasy.
Thanks for the response. Yes I know upgrade is $199.

A very newbie question. Atmos needs Top Speakers where as Auro needs height speakers. Since I already have assigned these as 7.1.4 for Atmos, after this I assign Auro as 5.1.5 as you advised.

So when I play Atmos Disc, will the speakers get assigned as Top Speakers automatically and then when I play Auro Disc, will they get assigned as Height speakers?

I hope I am able to explain my question.

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No, they will not. If you want one setup for all three formats, then front height+rear height is the only setup possible.

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Lately i have upgraded the projector to a JVC X500 4K E-Shift. And a HDFURY, to compliment the Samsung K8500 UHD Bluray player.

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Very nice room. Love the color and the gear Good to see home theater is thriving in the motherland although I'm about 200 years removed.
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Very nice room. Love the color and the gear Good to see home theater is thriving in the motherland although I'm about 200 years removed.
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And here I thought my plans to upgrade to "only" 5.2.4 in my rather small living room would be a challenge - now I realize it's only small potatoes

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And here I thought my plans to upgrade to "only" 5.2.4 in my rather small living room would be a challenge - now I realize it's only small potatoes
5.2.4 would probably be enough

I would not recommend this kind of madness to anyone.

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So, I'm trying to understand how your system is connected in terms of getting a mental picture of how it's configured. From a strictly Atmos-specific layout, am I correct in assuming that each Denon AVR can only be assigned a maximum of two Atmos channels? With two AVRs, you run 4 Atmos channels (8 speakers). Theoretically speaking, is it possible to daisy-chain a 3rd Atmos receiver so you can run all 5 Atmos channels? i.e. FH+RH+TF+TM+TR?
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It is possible. Would it be noticable better? Don't think so.

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