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Looks nice but...

This has been a great thread. Looking to get 3 of the Tributes in red bonded leather, but my problem is that I have Clark Synthesis Gold 329s in two of my existing chairs which look like they wont fit. This would likely prevent my purchase, since the Clarks are more powerful than the buttkickers I see listed on these. :-(
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bronnie23,

Fist of all you are getting this all backwards. Choosing the chairs based on the transducers you already have seams to be wrong way to choose your home theater seating.

Second the chairs are Buttkicker READY, meaning that kinetic rubber isolators that decouple the chairs from the floor and damp the vibrations coming from the transducers and the plate that excepts the BK-mini-LFE or advanced BK4-4 buttkickers are factory pre-installed, and I am sure if you need to stay with the Clark Synthesis transducers you may be able to find a away to mount them.

Last but not least, the BK4-4 advanced buttkickers are quite powerful, and I honestly do no see why would you need any more power than that...

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Very nice.

I like your room, simple, elegant, and clean.
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Fist of all you are getting this all backwards. Choosing the chairs based on the transducers you already have seams to be wrong way to choose your home theater seating.

Second the chairs are Buttkicker READY, meaning that kinetic rubber isolators that decouple the chairs from the floor and damp the vibrations coming from the transducers and the plate that excepts the BK-mini-LFE or advanced BK4-4 buttkickers are factory pre-installed, and I am sure if you need to stay with the Clark Synthesis transducers you may be able to find a away to mount them.

Last but not least, the BK4-4 advanced buttkickers are quite powerful, and I honestly do no see why would you need any more power than that...
I'm sure the buttkickers are great, it's just that I have 600 dollars worth of Clarks that I will have to discard if they don't fit in the Tributes. I'll have to do some more research and see if they possibly would fit. Love the chairs and hope this works out. Thanks Roman
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Those look great, and love your room! How wide is your room? I'm debating on going 3 or 4 wide.
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Those look great, and love your room! How wide is your room? I'm debating on going 3 or 4 wide.
Thanks! The room is 13' 9" wide. It was a long debate about going 3 vs 4. We have 2 kids and wanted everyone to be able to sit in the same row. The Fusion Jive's were the only set I could fit a 4 seat combo in front row.

4 seats is certainly a lot more $ but in the end I'm really glad I didn't go 3.
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Great room ScAndal, very clean lines and theme! The chairs look perfect in there.


I finally bit the bullet and have my curved row of 4 Fusion Escape's on the way today, should be here this afternoon. I have a pretty basic living room but looking forward to this upgrade a lot.

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Hey guys, I am looking at these chairs also. I guess the I like the Escape, however I am not sure about getting the bonded leather or the leather vinyl? I just don't want them to be hot. Can anyone share if the cheaper bonded leather gets really hot or not? I am also pretty big at 6'1" 300 lbs.
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Thanks to all for the reviews and pictures. I am all but convinced to purchase the Escapes. When I spoke to Roman today, he suggested the bonded leather instead of the leather/vinyl match. We have had horrible luck with bonded leather in the past and while I'm sure the bonded leather is nice initially, the question I have is about durability and quality in the long term.

Do any of you have bonded leather chairs, that have been used consistently over time, that can attest to the quality and durability?

Your opinions are extremely appreciated. Thx
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To be precise - I have not suggested the bonded leather instead of leather/vinyl combo, but rather an alternative to that. In terms of durability, scratch resistance, comfort I would say that the bonded leather and the top grain leather that we use are quite equal. I would choose the cover based on the desired look. Leather has some sheen to it and more of a smooth surface. The bonded leather has matte finish with a little "crocodile" pattern, and will give more contemporary look.
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I guess I'm still not sold on bonded leather...especially at the price of these chairs (they're not exactly inexpensive). Most furniture stores who sell bonded leather anything sell it quite inexpensively. I know...I know..."not all bonded leather is the same". Right. I'm no expert, but as far as I can tell "bonded" leather is at most 10 to 20% actual leather (who knows what the rest of it is). That makes me question the quality. Also, I've seen several postings on this very site of pictures of bonded leather chairs that look pretty bad, after a few years of usage, and some of those chairs were purchased from Roman (at least according to the posters). Just so I'm clear, I'm not picking on Roman. I've dealt with the guy, and he's a good guy. I'm simply making the point that bonded leather doesn't really seem to hold up, regardless of who is selling it.
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I just ordered a set of 3 Escapes from Roman in black leather/vinyl combo. I will be waiting patiently for a couple of months until the advanced buttkickers get back in stock. These are replacing an aging set of Berkline 13174's purchased from Roman back in 2008 or so.

I went with leather over the bonded due to my Berkline's bonded leather tearing. To be fair, first bubble occurred after almost four years of daily use. Tears came soon after. With the price of the Escapes, I wanted a little more peace of mind. Got the 5 year warranty as well.
So I see you are still trying to say bonded leather is a great material. I actually thought about you yesterday when someone tried telling me he had real leather, but it was bonded. He was told it would last and it hasn't.

I went over this five or so years ago, so if anyone is interested they can look it up. Bonded or bicast leather isn't really leather. It is either an emulsion of leather fibers or the throw away split hide. The manufacturers put a heavy coating on the this material to try to give the material strength and durability. It doesn't work. As Elvis found out, when it starts to go it really goes. A good top grain leather should last a long time. I have seen twenty year old top grain leather that still looks great even with everyday use.

Of course, the flip side is if you only use the chairs two or three times a week and are gently used then bonded can last a decent amount of time. If you use it like your everyday furniture, then a couple of years might be a good expectation. For me, I would choose leather/vinyl over bonded. If the vinyl is a good quality then you should have any issues.

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A bit off topic but really like the look of the room. What specific colors do you have on the walls and ceiling? Thinking of repainting my room.
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A bit off topic but really like the look of the room. What specific colors do you have on the walls and ceiling? Thinking of repainting my room.
The walls (upper) are actually fabric panels made out of GOM (Red Claret) http://www.guilfordofmaine.com/swatches/2100-418

The black is just Benjamin Moore Black
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Did anyone get a chance to use the warraty service?



For two of my Escapes the metal rings on the armrest (that you can insert the tray into) have become loose and fell off. They are very hard to screw back in as there is not much thread exposed. I may have to call on the warranty and hope to get them fixed.



thanks for sharing your inputs.
If you can avoid going through a warranty claim and try to fix it yourself you will keep a bit of sanity.

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could you elaborate on your ominous comment?
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