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post #31 of 62 Old 04-24-2012, 03:09 PM - Thread Starter
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How good is your current sub? How heavy are your chairs? The minis should do unless you are looking for more extension and output to either compliment the sub or fill in because the sub is lacking at the lowest octave.

Well my sub is a Velodyne 12" and it sits about 8-10 feet away from the seating positions. It seems to have lots of low end response.
The seats are the Fusion Escapes (4) which would probably be around 125 lbs each.
I wouldn't want the minis to be overworked and make knocking noises but if they are adequate then there is no sense spending extra money for nothing gained.

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I wholeheartedly agree. They have to be tuned properly, if not the Buttkickers can be overbearing just like anything else. You turn them up for gaming, dial it in for an action movie to complement the sub and leave it off for comedies or dramas but this is only necessary if you do not set the crossover low. If you set the crossover at around 40hz then you do not need to touch it.

It's nice to have the ability to properly tune them to individual tastes. Saying the Buttkickers would be a mere distraction is inaccurate.

Serge,

Is it possible to set the crossover for the BK at 40hz while leaving the crossover for the subs at say 80hz? I have an onkyo pre pro. I currently have my crossover set at 60hz and find the BK to be too much at times even with the volume turned way down.
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Sorry, I have to throw D-Box into the mix. I know it cost a lot more, but I am so glad I got them. Not only do you get great vibrations, they are planed and not just picked up by the bass. Much like what a discrete LEF channel is to sound. In addition you get motion that is a ton of fun. Here is a video of my kids watching the crash scene in the Flight of the Phoenix.

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how much more does this set up run ya ? If I wanted this for 2 existing chairs will I need to break the bank ?

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bluejayht,

The crossover setting can be done independently on the buttkicker amplifier. This way you can still have your Onkyo sub out crossed at 80Hz...

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Ditto to what Roman said.

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how much more does this set up run ya ? If I wanted this for 2 existing chairs will I need to break the bank ?

Slitman,
You can't use "regular" recliners with D-Box motion systems because of the added stress put on the frame of the chairs. You need to purchase chairs that are built for D-Box motion. There are a few manufacturers out there, including Jaymar, that make chairs with reinforced frames for this application.

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bluejayht,

The crossover setting can be done independently on the buttkicker amplifier. This way you can still have your Onkyo sub out crossed at 80Hz...

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Ditto to what Roman said.

Thanks for your responses Roman and Serge,

I have the BKA300-4 amp. It does not have the dial on the front to adjust the crossover like the BKA1000. It does have EQ settings that roll off of -12db per octave above 100 hz. Do either of you know if I can cross at 40 hz with this amp?
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I believe that with the BKA300-4 amp you can only use the preset cut offs.

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For about a year, I've owned the Buttkicker LFE including the BKA1000-N amplifier. I installed it in my couch. It is extremely effective, but I've always found it to seem a bit artificial, like it was just shaking the couch, independent of the action and subwoofer. Now in my case, the basement is directly below the living room where I watch movies and listen to music. So just recently I decided to see what would happen if I mounted it below on the floor joists under the living room. This was one of the suggestions that came with the installation instructions. What I found is that while the kick was slightly reduced, the effect felt more naturally integrated with the subwoofer (NHT Subtwo i) and action on the screen. Also much more effective with music, especially pipe organ. Of course you would need to have a similar setup to mine to allow such an option.
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I have installed 5 buttkickersinto my Berkline recliners and found it to be money well spent. The 'wow factor" increases a 100% when I have guests over to watch an action/adventure movie. If tuned in properly, you will not know they are there until an action sequence occurs. Like the above posters, I do not use them for comedies. Highly recommended with the buttkicker amp, if you can find one.
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Thanks for all the input everyone.
BFI6603, which model transducer did you install? The Advanced or the mini or LFE?
I am definitely leaning towards putting these in now. Hopefully the amps are available soon.

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The BKA-1000-N amplifiers are available...

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The BKA-1000-N amplifiers are available...

You have email with some questions.....

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i run my recliners on top of these
http://www.markertek.com/Audio-Equip...COM-9106.xhtml

1 under each of the plastic feet on the metal frame, and 2 on each of the armrests replacing stock plastic feet.

these made all the difference in the world, and much cheaper then partsexpress, the partsexpress feet of the same make and model stunk and was hard rubber, the markertek ones had no smell, and had some give, it was rubber, but it was not rock solid.

isolating the chair from my hardwood floors made a big difference
at first when it was plastic feet on hardwood floors, the bass was very artificial, but after putting on rubber feet, everything felt natural.
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Thanks for the tip.
Now my chairs are sitting on a concrete floor which is covered by underlay and then carpet. Do you think these type of isolators are still required?

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Thanks for the tip.
Now my chairs are sitting on a concrete floor which is covered by underlay and then carpet. Do you think these type of isolators are still required?

not required, but definitely would still help to separate the chair from the floor, you might feel some unnecessary shaking on the recliner
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How do these wire up? I am prewiring for my theater.
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How do these wire up? I am prewiring for my theater.

also wondering this?
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i wired mine up with speaker wire, i wired mine up in series, i have 2 ohm buttkickers, running 3 in series.

how you wire it up will most likely depend on the number of buttkickers 2ohm/4ohm versions and your amplifier ratings
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Hello, I have had a buttkicker lfe installed on my theater chair for a while now. It is an older system and actually powered by a buttkicker amp. I have also tried the earthquake version and they work pretty good, but the kickers are really cool, I didn't bolt mine in because my seat just won't fit it. But. It does really make a cool difference, especially if your wife is "bass sensitive" like mine is. And the d-box is awesome but way outside my range.
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Awesome peace of gear
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i run my recliners on top of these
http://www.markertek.com/Audio-Equip...COM-9106.xhtml

1 under each of the plastic feet on the metal frame, and 2 on each of the armrests replacing stock plastic feet.

these made all the difference in the world, and much cheaper then partsexpress, the partsexpress feet of the same make and model stunk and was hard rubber, the markertek ones had no smell, and had some give, it was rubber, but it was not rock solid.

isolating the chair from my hardwood floors made a big difference
at first when it was plastic feet on hardwood floors, the bass was very artificial, but after putting on rubber feet, everything felt natural.

Nicely done. Proper isolation is key for optimum results. Allows for better tuning and also gives you more headroom.

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I have 6 Berkline chairs, each with a mini-Buttkicker pre-installed, used for 5 years -- driven by a single BKA-1000 Buttkicker amp in a series/parallel circuit combination.

Bottom line: I would get them again. They nicely complement the 3 subwoofers in the dedicated home theater, including an 18" Velodyne DD-18.

I do, however, have to turn the crossover/cutoff down to as low a frequency as possible (40 Hz) to keep the Buttkickers from responding inappropriately to music, or to upper-range bass. Ideally you want them to come on only for explosions or low bass rumble.

Guests also love 'em. :-)
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I know I'm a little late to the party by a month and half but I just found this thread doing my random wanderings lol. I picked up 2 bka-300 wireless kits when they first came out (before they changed the name to bkit-4) and have love them every since. They are def a guy things as myself and my father (when folks are visiting me) enjoy it while my fiance and mom could care less. I have them hooked up on my three piece sectional with the mid section resting on two of the chair mounts for added effect. The main thing as others have stated is to properly tune them into the rest of the speakers like how you blend in speakers with subs.

I just recently upgraded my system from my polk/kplisch setup to energy RC70's, RCLR and 4 pairs of v-s veritas surrounds with 2 svs pb12-nsd's. Even with the awesomeness of the dual pb12's I still enjoy the feel of the buttkickers. Mounting them upside helps improve the tactile feel as well as stops them from bottoming out on low lfe signals like in the Incredible Hulk park scene.

Just got off the phone with Andrew from Guitammer and he stated they are redesigning the wireless kits and a new one will be out by mid 2013 with additional features that were requested by owners like a battery option to save settings when power lost occurs instead of having to re-configure every time.

If you want me to take some shots of how my are placed just let me know. I recommend picking them up as they really do add a lot more fun to movies/games. Especially on 2012, Jurassic Park resident evil afterlife 3d all on blu. Just skip to the scene with the big zombie/monster with the huge hammer/axe walking to the prison and then attacking the gate. Awesome 7 channel rear sound and lfe content.

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If you want me to take some shots of how my are placed just let me know..
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Yes. Please show a couple of pics if you have time as I have yet to get mine & install them. I got sidetracked with a speaker upgrade last week. ( RC-70's, RC-LCR & RC-R's wink.gif)
They are definitely next on the list now.

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Ok,

After reading about ButtKickers on this site I decided to conduct an experiment so I purchased 2 ButtKicker LFE Units powered by a single BKA1000-N power amp.

To put things in perspective.

I have a dedicated Home Theater that I designed when I built my house.
The room has 2 rows of home theater chairs. I installed the Buttkickers directly onto the platform for the rear seating row.

My theater room is 20 feet long by 16 feet wide.
The room was acoustically treated by a local professional installation company.
My current LFE Sub-woofer system consists of 4 SVS PB13 Ultras. The subs are amazing.

So the big question.... Could the ButtKickers do anything for my system?

The answer is Overwhelmingly Yes.

I used the Tron bike scene, and The Dark Knight Rises so far and the ButtKickers make an unbelievable impact on movies.
Truly scary sound!!!!
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Ok,
... My current LFE Sub-woofer system consists of 4 SVS PB13 Ultras. The subs are amazing.

Isnt that a bit overkill ?! Wow .... I am envious!!!

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Thanks for your input smit1001. That's exactly what kind of information I am looking for. They are next on my list for sure now. I just had to do a sub upgrade first but now I am on track to get them.

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Watched more movies this weekend.
No doubt the buttkickers add another dimension of realism to the experience.
Cloverfield was so intense, I was scared the walls and ceiling of my home theater were going to come crashing down around me.
On movies with very little action the buttkickers only came into action when appropriate.
Awesome investment.
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