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Hmmm, sometimes I think the dialog is too low. Maybe its just my old ears. Love the series though

I know what you mean. I find myself hitting the closed captioning button more and more. My problem is the result of some recent audio tweaks in my living room. I repositioned six of my seven speakers and have been experiencing dialogue problems. It certainly can't be my hearing.

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I read McCullough's 1776 and I frequently felt throughout that one that it would make a fantastic series.

I didn't know this was on - got to check it out. Replaying?

Edit: Answering my own question:

Parts one and two on tonight at 10pm Eastern.

1776 is suppose to be next. Same group, Hanks and HBO.

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Perhaps with good ratings, new subscriptions and brisk DVD sales-- this could pave the way for similar programming.

Probably not going to make much of a difference on subscriptions. It holds pretty steady whatever they do. We'd like to think there was a big exodus from HBO after they canned Deadwood, Carnivale, and Rome, but there really wasn't. They won't pick up too many because of this series either.

And they'll never achieve brisk DVD sales until they stop pricing them twice as expensively as other TV series DVD sets, most with many more episodes. Can't understand what they're thinking with the price structure they've established.

But the bottom line is, they make money hand over fist so they're not likely to listen to anything we say anyways.
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I am really enjoying this show and the intro and ending music and credits reminds me of Deadwood.

I agree. Like Deadwood before it, the show looks beautiful and demonstrates an almost obsessive attention to period detail. Last night's episode was especially impressive, some of was so stunning, I was blown away. I understand that HBO accomplished that with a combination of location shooting in Colonial Williamsburg and Budapest, augmented by CGI, for the crowd shots I assume. In any event, it was bloody beautiful!
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I agree. Like Deadwood before it, the show looks beautiful and demonstrates an almost obsessive attention to period detail. Last night’s episode was especially impressive, some of was so stunning, I was blown away. I understand that HBO accomplished that with a combination of location shooting in Colonial Williamsburg and Budapest, augmented by CGI, for the crowd shots I assume. In any event, it was bloody beautiful!

One of the best pieces of effects work, in my opinion, is the work done at the audience with King George.. the entire scene, except for the immediate backdrops against John and the King inside his chambers, was all green screen.... from the first shot of JA inside the building on the staircase, the floors, walls, everything...

BTW, the next Playtone/HBO co-production, and exec produced by Steven Spielberg, will be the 10 part mini-series "The Pacific" about WWII.
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That's the quasi Band of Brothers followup isn't it?
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That's the quasi Band of Brothers followup isn't it?

Yes.
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1776 is suppose to be next. Same group, Hanks and HBO.

Sweet! My vision (FWIW) would be to make it a three season arc, with the three main battles described in the book as the season finales of each season: The battle of Boston (which turned out to not be a battle at all, but VERY intriguing how the colonials won it); the battle for New York second (where the colonials got their A$$es handed to them; and the battle for Trenton third (made famous, of course, by Washington Crossing the Delaware and the sneak attack on Christmas againt the Hessians). Just great stuff.

But I understand the constraints, and would happily accept the lmioited number of epis like the Adams miniseries.

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And they'll never achieve brisk DVD sales until they stop pricing them twice as expensively as other TV series DVD sets, most with many more episodes. Can't understand what they're thinking with the price structure they've established.

Coincidentally, as posted in Fred's HOTP thread...


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post13524005

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John Adams, starring Paul Giamatti as the founding father and second U.S. president, streets June 10 as a three-DVD set at $59.99. (so probably $39.99 at best buy....lol). No blu-ray plans yet.


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I'm not American, but anyone else get the chills when Washington was being sworn in?

I did. They did a really good job of conveying what it must've been like to be there at that moment in time. I also very much enjoyed the conversation between Adams, Franklin and Jefferson in Paris when they were talking about the basics of what their new government should be.

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Coincidentally, as posted in Fred's HOTP thread...


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post13524005

That's not too bad. Maybe they're learning.
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One of the best pieces of effects work, in my opinion, is the work done at the audience with King George.. the entire scene, except for the immediate backdrops against John and the King inside his chambers, was all green screen.... from the first shot of JA inside the building on the staircase, the floors, walls, everything...

That's remarkable! I was able to identify some of the CGI but I had no idea that Adams' audience with King George scene involved any electronic magic.

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BTW, the next Playtone/HBO co-production, and exec produced by Steven Spielberg, will be the 10 part mini-series "The Pacific" about WWII.

I am looking forward to that, Spielberg does good work. If The Pacific comes anywhere close to the standard HBO set with Band of Brothers, it should be great. I have the Band of Brothers DVDs and have watched them many times. It's one of the best miniseries ever made, in a class with Lonesome Dove.
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"John Adams, starring Paul Giamatti as the founding father and second U.S. president, streets June 10 as a three-DVD set at $59.99."

As much as I admire this series, I suggest you guys get the Pulitzer winning book it came from. Much more rich detail and historical insight. And somewhat cheaper than the discs!

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As much as I admire this series, I suggest you guys get the Pulitzer winning book it came from. Much more rich detail and historical insight. And somewhat cheaper than the discs!

I second the motion. I bought David McCullough's book when it came out in 2001 and loved it, although less so than his magisterial, Truman. McCullough's book and this show go together like strawberries and cream.
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One of the best pieces of effects work, in my opinion, is the work done at the audience with King George.. the entire scene, except for the immediate backdrops against John and the King inside his chambers, was all green screen.... from the first shot of JA inside the building on the staircase, the floors, walls, everything...

Wow, that's just amazing! Sure, CG can be fun when you have fantastic "only in a computer" things happening, but it's more impressive when you don't even realize it's there.
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The scene between Adams and a quivering (with hurt feelings) King George was absolute movie magic, with or without the special effects...

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I loved the King George scene. What a politician Adams was. Top notch acting too.

I get many chills just of the sight of George Washington and the man he was. The sworn in scene was very goosebumpy. A fine program indeed, sir.
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When posters question the "real" character v the "historically represented" character of the FF's (based on 21st Century cynicism), I would suggest that they consider that the American Revolution was, if not the only, one of a small handful of revolutions in History, that did not consume itself in a bloody struggle for dominion.
By the efforts of oratory and persuasion, this blood drenched struggle for dominance was postponed for a generation (first the British, then ourselves), and settled by a stronger, continent-wide nation at the cost of 600,000 American lives.
That the Revolution survived its success is a remarkable feat, made possible by remarkable men.
That the American Nation was granted such men, at such a time, was an amazing bit of fate, or luck, or divine providence.
I mean, what other nation guarantees the right "to pursue happiness" in its founding documents.

I have been particularly moved by the reading of the Declaration of Independence, and the long silence after the vote to separate.
I to got chills watching the inauguration of Washington, especially understanding that this man could have created any titled position he wanted for himself.

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One of the best pieces of effects work, in my opinion, is the work done at the audience with King George.. the entire scene, except for the immediate backdrops against John and the King inside his chambers, was all green screen.... from the first shot of JA inside the building on the staircase, the floors, walls, everything...

Are you serious!? I couldn't even tell! Kudos to you guys for such a great job!
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Are you serious!? I couldn't even tell! Kudos to you guys for such a great job!

In the companion piece, "Making John Adams" they show the process of the staircase and the Throne Room. The staircase is really 3 still pictures of the actual staircase taken by one of the CGI crew with a green screen staircase. As JA is waking up the green screen staircase, they "reveal" from green screen stage to finished scene and it is breathtaking. They show JA walking into a green screen room and the reveal is the finished Throne Room scene. It is truly amazing.

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Do you or anyone else knows when this will come out on HBO? I was such a HUGE fan of Band of Brothers that I really really can't wait for The Pacific.
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Do you or anyone else knows when this will come out on HBO? I was such a HUGE fan of Band of Brothers that I really really can't wait for The Pacific.

I know post sound is going to start later this year and go into 2009, so I would venture late spring, summer 2009.....

I'll see what I can find out
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I to got chills watching the inauguration of Washington, especially understanding that this man could have created any titled position he wanted for himself.

Then you'll love the prologue of Episode 5
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That the Revolution survived its success is a remarkable feat, made possible by remarkable men.
That the American Nation was granted such men, at such a time, was an amazing bit of fate, or luck, or divine providence.
I mean, what other nation guarantees the right "to pursue happiness" in its founding documents.

I have been thinking about this since I started watching John Adams. What the Founders accomplished was nothing short of a miracle, brought about by a once-in-a-millennium confluence of brilliance and sheer, bloody, good luck. As one of my favorite philosophers, Barry Switzer, once put it, It's better to be lucky than good.
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I have been thinking about this since I started watching John Adams. What the Founders accomplished was nothing short of a miracle, brought about by a once-in-a-millennium confluence of brilliance and sheer, bloody, good luck. As one of my favorite philosophers, Barry Switzer, once put it, “It’s better to be lucky than good.”

Don't discount the fact that they had a prosperous, educated, enlightened, civilized populace, relatively speaking, that mostly came from the same country they were rebelling against. That's a good kernel from which a democracy can grow; we've seen up close how tough it is to duplicate when a majority of your population thinks God wants them to keep living in the 12th century. And a loooong supply line for the Brits had a lot to do with it too.
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Quick recap of JA for those who missed any episodes...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hKX1bvU02Us

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Weekly bump. The camera was really at an angle tonight.

Moreover, the sound of insects buzzing in the background was realistic to the point of scary considering it's spring in Texas.
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Don't you just want to sqeeze those white headed pimples on his nose? God only knows we are being subjected to extreme closeups for over an hour each week. Didn't they have mirrors back then?

Watching this in HD on a 120" screen and the camera shaking and having difficulty refocusing is really starting to piss me off. Artistic Effect my hiney. The wife and I actually became a tad queezy a couple of times last night trying to follow the picture. The spectacular settings in this film are being ruined by the stupid camera angles and shaking.

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Wonder how much that election cost....
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Watching this in HD on a 120" screen and the camera shaking and having difficulty refocusing is really starting to piss me off. Artistic Effect my hiney. The wife and I actually became a tad queezy a couple of times last night trying to follow the picture. The spectacular settings in this film are being ruined by the stupid camera angles and shaking.

Sadly, "shaky-cam" seems to be a technique that's only getting more and more exposure, which entrenches it all the more insidiously as a legitimate tool in the director's toolbox. There are times when it's effective, but it's been vastly overused and that trend seems to be accelerating.
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