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I dont care about mad men's emmy wins. comparing this show to mad men is an outright insult to breaking bad. every episode is a performance that leaves you almost gasping and/or filled with a tun of emotion.
mad men doesnt do that.
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I dont care about mad men's emmy wins. comparing this show to mad men is an outright insult to breaking bad. every episode is a performance that leaves you almost gasping and/or filled with a tun of emotion.
mad men doesnt do that.

Sorry, I'm a big fan of BOTH shows. Breaking Bad is still excellent, no doubt.
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I agree. 'Mad Men' is brilliant as well. They're very different types of shows, however. AMC should be proud of both of them, and all the awards they've justly won (except for last year's best drama; that should have gone to LOST which had a sensational season, IMO).

Along with a little gem of a 30 minute sitcom back in '96-'98 called 'Remember WENN', AMC has had a very enviable track record with original series. Their only slip-up was the nearly incomprehensible remake of 'The Prisoner' last year. What the heck was that all about?
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I dont have a problem with mad men per se, but I do have a problem with comparing the two.
yea I was highly let down by the prisoner, maybe I was expecting too much from amc.
A show is only as good as its writing, acting can only take it so far.
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Gus is definitely not to be F___ed with.
Mr. White needs to get focused quick or he may be next in the line of fire.
Jesse is such a screw-up...its just a matter of time before he self-destructs.
Skyler is slowly turning "Bad".
Good show, but after last week's it couldn't be "great".

There were a few Experimental camera tricks and editing styles, interesting.....

Who got to "Cousin", Gus or a henchman? Who called Hank?
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Gus is definitely not to be F___ed with.
Mr. White needs to get focused quick or he may be next in the line of fire.
Jesse is such a screw-up...its just a matter of time before he self-destructs.
Skyler is slowly turning "Bad".
Good show, but after last week's it couldn't be "great".

There were a few Experimental camera tricks and editing styles, interesting.....

Who got to "Cousin", Gus or a henchman? Who called Hank?

The Cousin was killed by the henchman working for Gus. We saw him leaving the hospital ward as all the cops run into the dead Cousin's room.
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I found it hard to buy that he could have gotten to the guy in what was assumed to be a highly guarded hospital ward. True, all the cops wanted him dead, but the higher-ups really wanted information from him. Unless, of course, the head honcho was in league with the narcotrafficers.

Now all of a sudden Hank sort of recedes into relative insignificance as we see a massive drug power play happen. Once again we see how hard it is to second guess just where this show is going.

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I wonder if Gale is going to cause some kind of trouble. Lots of tension again in this weeks episode.

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I wonder if Gale is going to cause some kind of trouble.

I'd be shocked if he does not...

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Dang! Gus the Chicken Man is one cold and vicious dude...

Walt had troubles with previous "big players" in the drug trade, but Gus is bound to cause even more nightmares...

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I dont [sic] care about mad men's emmy wins. comparing this show to mad men is an outright insult to breaking bad. every episode is a performance that leaves you almost gasping and/or filled with a tun [sic] of emotion.
mad men doesnt do that.

Mad Men doesn't intend to do that. It's much more realistic and historically accurate. It has done a brilliant job of examining a practically ignored era in American society.

You won't see people choking to death on their vomit or strangling each other with bicycle locks or splattering someone's brains on Mad Men.

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Scowl is right on point: Mad Men and Breaking Bad are both well-written shows, just very different storylines (appropriately so).

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I found it hard to buy that he could have gotten to the guy in what was assumed to be a highly guarded hospital ward. True, all the cops wanted him dead, but the higher-ups really wanted information from him. Unless, of course, the head honcho was in league with the narcotrafficers.

Or maybe Mike knows one of the cops "protecting" the cousin and "accidentally" looked the other way when he walked into his hospital room.

At least there was something wonderful about Hank getting shot. It gave Walt an opportunity to bring the family together and tell them what's really important in life, namely... Walter White. While Hank was near death with a bullet next to his spine, Walt just had to ramble about how he cheated death in that very same hospital. Even the traffic lights were conspiring to kill him that faithful day, yet he bravely looked death in the eye and death flinched! Oh, did he mention the street lights? Why yes he did! He could practically hear those things laughing at him. And he wanted to drive! I almost forgot that part even though it's so important because it showed brave Walt was. Driving to the hospital!

Hank? Oh yeah, he'll be fine.

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Remember she threatened Hank if Jesse didn't get his share. I saw him allowing her to die because he knew she was an unknown quantity and posed an ongoing threat to both of them, but primarily to number one. But there was concern for Jesse too, and I suspect there was a certain horror at the dabbling with heroin.

You don't sit and watch people die unless you're willing to kill them yourself. Walt knew practically nothing about Jesse and Jane's relationship other than Jesse was even more messed up than he usually is when he was around her. How could he be sure that Jesse wouldn't have killed himself after waking up to see his girlfriend dead with who knows how much heroin in the apartment? Maybe he did. That would simplify matters even more, wouldn't it?

The bottom line is that Jane was screwing up Walt's operation and making him do things he didn't want to do. He believes that fate rescued him from death so why not let fate kill someone that's in his way? Gotta hand it to fate!

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I'm sure he does from time to time. Unfortunately Walt is nearly unable to function as a parent to his own son.

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Wasn't Jane openly threatening to expose Walt's activity?

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Wasn't Jane openly threatening to expose Walt's activity?

Yes, if he didn't pay Jesse the money that he owed him. Walt gave him the money. Walt let her die shortly after that.

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The Cousin was killed by the henchman working for Gus. We saw him leaving the hospital ward as all the cops run into the dead Cousin's room.

We didn't just see him leave--we saw him deposit a syringe in the disposal container on the wall.
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Kinda sad the Twins are gone already.

Why do they just break the phone? Don't they know their fingerprints is all over it?

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I was being courteous for those that aren't up to speed on the show...

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Scowl, I take it you don't like the character, Walt?
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why is Mike referred to as a henchman? characters have names. if you don't know it, look it up.

as to sunday's show. very interesting episode. Clearly Gus just got a lot more powerful(with less competition) and Walt is a lot more paranoid, as he should be. I think Merkert was definitely the man who called Hank, but will this even come up? Hank might die or barely remember it.
I do not think Gus had Juan Bolsa killed. Likely the 'Federales' or a sect of the US military.
What's next? Jesse seems to be the next peice to fall. Maybe he starts using or has some personal conflict. Gus is clearly sold on Walt, but not Jesse. I can see Jesse having some kind of a breakdown and Gus coming down on Jesse and perhaps Walt as collateral damage. Does Walt have any leverage on Gus? no, but maybe he'll try to gain some.
I think Hank does recover and reclaims his job and mission to sniff out Heisenberg. I think the new high level of production will only serve to make this mission have more backing by the DEA. In short, the DEA will be on the offensive.
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Scowl, I take it you don't like the character, Walt?

I'm not a big fan of self-centered psychopaths. What really bothers me is that he's become awfully predictable thus less interesting. I don't care what he does or thinks or feels any more.

And he's still shaving that stupid head of his as if that makes him some sort of scary bad ass gangsta in da hood. Give it up, Walt!

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why is Mike referred to as a henchman? characters have names. if you don't know it, look it up.

anyone who watches this show knows who he is talking about

just like "Hanks wife", "Hanks boss',"sleazy laywer" etc....

this is a casual discussion not a term paper

BTW - I think chicken man definitely had rival killed
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so if you can always refer to them by some association, like instead of hank, just call him the macho chubby dea agent.
why give anyone names if you're not going to use it? kinda pointless right? those dumb tv executives, subjecting us to actually paying attention to shows.
because in real life we don't use people's names right, so why do it with what you watch on tv?
I guess you're right, its easier to use simple adjectives/labels than to pay attention.

on another note, what makes you think Gus had Juan killed?
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so if you can always refer to them by some association, like instead of hank, just call him the macho chubby dea agent.
why give anyone names if you're not going to use it? kinda pointless right? those dumb tv executives, subjecting us to actually paying attention to shows.
because in real life we don't use people's names right, so why do it with what you watch on tv?
I guess you're right, its easier to use simple adjectives/labels than to pay attention.

It's good to know you're here for substantive discussions.
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And he's still shaving that stupid head of his as if that makes him some sort of scary bad ass gangsta in da hood. Give it up, Walt!

I've heard Cranson talking about that. I believe the goateed look was his idea. They wanted to visually emphasize the decent of this once-decent man into somebody else as he's drawn deeper and deeper into the drug business. New man; new look. Maybe if you stopped looking at Walt as so one-dimensional, you might accept his new look as appropriate to his "new" character.
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on another note, what makes you think Gus had Juan killed?

the big grin of satisfaction he had when he heard what happened on the phone. It was pretty obvious.
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It's good to know you're here for substantive discussions.

I guess you missed my sarcasm.
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I found it hard to buy that he could have gotten to the guy in what was assumed to be a highly guarded hospital ward. True, all the cops wanted him dead, but the higher-ups really wanted information from him. Unless, of course, the head honcho was in league with the narcotrafficers.

That was why Gus arranged food for the cops to be brought in down in the lobby. They were all distracted enough so that Mike could more easily sneak in and off the cousin.

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on another note, what makes you think Gus had Juan killed?

I believe he did. The reason why Gus arranged to have his "partner" Juan killed by the Federales is that Gus no longer needs him. He no longer has to run the risk of a smuggling operation to bring drugs in from Mexico. He now has a local production source that will supply his organization with 200 lbs of meth a week. It's also possible Gus was insulted by his partner's refusal to call off his assassins. Gus can't have his well-oiled professional operation disrupted by hot-headed Latino passions. And as been mentioned, his grin of satisfaction cemented it.

I'm going to miss the cousins. They were so freakin' awesome! That one jumping legless out of his hospital bed and crawling for Walt like a rabid dog was seriously intense.

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