Watched NFL today on CBS after the first game to see hi-lites. A good way to see the varying PQ between games. The CBS games looked good, the Vikes/Det and Atl/NO from FOX looked bad. Other FOX games looked decent.
Domed stadiums with field turf are very tough on the compression schemes.
ofc you all realise this thread is what 5 yrs old how did new member Albert B on his very first post here manage to dredge this up?
a google search link maybe?
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I remain convinced that even now, years after FOX claims to have gone to 720p on all their broadcasts... that they still from time to time are recycling those old 480p widescreen cameras. There's just no other reasonable explanation for why some of their games look like garbage compared to others.
CBS, by comparison, looks the same on all their 1080i games... and ever since they went full HD on all games years ago, I haven't seen a bad game from CBS since.
We can quibble about compression differences for different local affiliates... but on my same affiliate week to week, FOX has a range of poor to great from one game to the next while CBS looks great every game every week.
1. CBS is at full bit-rate, No Subs. Yesterday:
A. OTA looked best
B. Cox Cable was slightly behind
C. Direc was noticeably softer
Ditto for Fox
Ditto for NBC, but the picture quality struggles with camera movement
ABC is the worst, too many Subs, I guess.
Direc looks noticeably better than Cox
D. Sunday Ticket transmits in the format the Network uses
D. Red Zone is all in 720P, But it must be at full bit-rate because it looks good.
In comparison the two 720p FOX games (OTA) looked downright "pristine."
There is one camera angle they keep showing tonight that looks bad... it is one of the sideline angles... you can tell immediately the colors get duller... then when they switch back to the main action camera the colors are vibrant again.
ABC/ESPN is as notorious as FOX for sneaking in some sub-par cameras for certain angles.
how about this for a bummer:
was trying to watch [on my "new" Cox DVR w/chasing playback] the FOX broadcast of Packers at Ravens, followed by NO at NE yesterday on my 50 inch 1080i projection TV (vintage 2002).
i selected component input, pressed play, and poof: no video, only audio! had to switch to the SD composite input to display ANYTHING! called Cox cable in Fairfax, VA and they said to
try other HiDef channels, which I did, e.g., CBS nfl game was coming in fine on the 1080i component input display. WTF? Cox must have a video cutoff if a feed is too weak/noisy. Then when the MLB playoff game came on at 830pm sunday nite on fox, the hidef 1080i tv picture was magically visible again! so i had no hidef video for both Fox nfl games on that DVR to TV connection. maybe fox has started 1080p hidef broadcasts for nfl only? or experimenting? my 1080i component display should support any hidef broadcast up to 1080i, but not 1080p, unless Cox downcoverted the signal?
Yes and no.
I might be mistaken, but I thought 1080p at 24fps was part of the OTA broadcast spec... so I believe 1080p 24fps is possible.
I don't think they built 30 fps, though, into the OTA spec... so likely we wouldn't see any live tv like sports broadcast OTA in 1080p because of that.