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post #31 of 46 Old 09-08-2013, 01:31 PM
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Watched NFL today on CBS after the first game to see hi-lites.  A good way to see the varying PQ between games.  The CBS games looked good, the Vikes/Det and Atl/NO from FOX looked bad.  Other FOX games looked decent.

 

Domed stadiums with field turf are very tough on the compression schemes.

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The distance cameras used for the Jets/Bucs game today looked horrible. I was watching WNYW-HD OTA.
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I came here to complain about the same and lo and behold there's a thread for it.

It almost looks like the old 480p days.
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+1 I hate compression mad.gif
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Fox looked fine on Dish for me today . I watched 2 games admittedly it was not the best HD I have seen but it wasn't bad . I was watching on a 2012 set maybe that helps a little. I agree that CBS does football the best been that way for many years

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Some of the FOX games did look bad to me too. The 1pm game for me was Seattle vs Carolina... that one did look like the old 480p widescreen at times. The 4pm game (San Francisco vs Green Bay), however, looked nice and sharp and much more colorful.

I remain convinced that even now, years after FOX claims to have gone to 720p on all their broadcasts... that they still from time to time are recycling those old 480p widescreen cameras. There's just no other reasonable explanation for why some of their games look like garbage compared to others.

CBS, by comparison, looks the same on all their 1080i games... and ever since they went full HD on all games years ago, I haven't seen a bad game from CBS since.

We can quibble about compression differences for different local affiliates... but on my same affiliate week to week, FOX has a range of poor to great from one game to the next while CBS looks great every game every week.

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The SEA-CAR game PQ did look pretty bad. I thought the colors were a bit dull for the OAK-IND game.
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I noticed a lot of dull color and attributed it to the condition of the field as the uniforms looked sharp to me I have a small town cable provider and the HD is generally pretty good. Even NASCAR looks good this year on ESPN, ABC, etc. In previous years I noticed quality go down after FOX's turn in the box.
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From my experience it depends where you live and how the signal is transmitted: Where I am the Locals are for the most part O/O, some with and some without sub-channels.
1. CBS is at full bit-rate, No Subs. Yesterday:
A. OTA looked best
B. Cox Cable was slightly behind
C. Direc was noticeably softer

Ditto for Fox

Ditto for NBC, but the picture quality struggles with camera movement

ABC is the worst, too many Subs, I guess.

ESPN

Direc looks noticeably better than Cox

D. Sunday Ticket transmits in the format the Network uses

D. Red Zone is all in 720P, But it must be at full bit-rate because it looks good.
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All I can say is that both of the CBS games I watched parts of yesterday (Colts v. Raiders and Bengals v. Bears) looked pretty .... blech ... from my OTA affiliates. Of course, both are multicasting with varying degrees of encoder competence. I won't bother with the details, suffice it to say both looked equally mediocre.

In comparison the two 720p FOX games (OTA) looked downright "pristine."
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ESPN Phi/Was game is the best of the week for me.  Watching on E*.

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ESPN Phi/Was game is the best of the week for me.  Watching on E*.

There is one camera angle they keep showing tonight that looks bad... it is one of the sideline angles... you can tell immediately the colors get duller... then when they switch back to the main action camera the colors are vibrant again.

ABC/ESPN is as notorious as FOX for sneaking in some sub-par cameras for certain angles.

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how about this for a bummer:

was trying to watch [on my "new" Cox DVR w/chasing playback] the FOX broadcast of Packers at Ravens, followed by NO at NE yesterday on my 50 inch 1080i projection TV (vintage 2002).

i selected component input, pressed play, and poof: no video, only audio!  had to switch to the SD composite input to display ANYTHING!  called Cox cable in Fairfax, VA and they said to

try other HiDef channels, which I did, e.g., CBS nfl game was coming in fine on the 1080i component input display.  WTF?  Cox must have a video cutoff if a feed is too weak/noisy.  Then when the MLB playoff game came on at 830pm sunday nite on fox, the hidef 1080i tv picture was magically visible again!  so i had no hidef video for both Fox nfl games on that DVR to TV connection.  maybe fox has started 1080p hidef broadcasts for nfl only?  or experimenting? my 1080i component display should support any hidef broadcast up to 1080i, but not 1080p, unless Cox downcoverted the signal?

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1080p broadcast is not currently possible
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1080p broadcast is not currently possible

Yes and no.

I might be mistaken, but I thought 1080p at 24fps was part of the OTA broadcast spec... so I believe 1080p 24fps is possible.

I don't think they built 30 fps, though, into the OTA spec... so likely we wouldn't see any live tv like sports broadcast OTA in 1080p because of that.

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