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Wasn't the 1930 classic "Hells Angels" scheduled to be on over night? Instead, TCM aired "Hells Angels 1969" which wasn't quite on par with the Howard Hawks production.

The 1969 version of Hell's Angels is listed in my copy of Now Playing that was probably printed in February and was delivered to us in our March 9, 2010 mail.

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Wasn't the 1930 classic "Hells Angels" scheduled to be on over night? Instead, TCM aired "Hells Angels 1969" which wasn't quite on par with the Howard Hawks production.

My Comcast guide showed 'Hell's Angels '69.'

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My Comcast guide showed 'Hell's Angels '69.'

Our Cablevision guide showed it to be the 1930 classic with Jean Harlow with a longer time slot. But I just looked at the TCM April schedule we printed two months ago and that too indicated it to be the 1969 film.

Kind of a disappointment. While I have it on pre-recorded VHS it would have been nice to have recorded in onto a DVD-R for better resolution, coupled with another classic "The Blue Angel". Just might get the DVD version instead.
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I can't think of an expanded basic channel that doesn't run at least some HD every day. TCM isn't free, so I'm really struggling to figure out why it would take another two years.

Well, most of their catalog hasn't been transferred to HD format yet. Also, when dealing with lots of OLD films, many of the original elements may have deteriorated since the original SD transfers were made. So, they have a lot of work ahead of them.

I do wonder why they don't show the few things that are already available on Blu-ray in HD. Perhaps those owning the transfers want a lot of money. I don't know if they could just buy a BD and show it, even if they own broadcast rights to the film.
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I don't know if they could just buy a BD and show it, even if they own broadcast rights to the film.

No.

The licenses are completely different, plus the signal from a BD isn't compatible with broadcast equipment.
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There are lots of old movies not on Blu that nevertheless have HD transfers (even if they aren't great). This was done all throughout the 00s for DVD releases.
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There are lots of old movies not on Blu that nevertheless have HD transfers (even if they aren't great). This was done all throughout the 00s for DVD releases.

Regarding those transferred for DVD release, they would have been remastered for 480i resolution only. But with so many of those DVDs being of outstanding (just below HD) quality when upconverted to 1080p, if those remastered prints were obtained by TCM most of us, I believe, would be quite satisfied.
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Regarding those transferred for DVD release, they would have been remastered for 480i resolution only.

Actually, many studios (eg, Warner Bros, Criterion) have been mastering DVDs at 1080i and more recently at 1080p -- and then downconverting to 480i for release. So those higher resolution masters often exist, though whether they are accessible and appropriate for use on, for example, TCM HD, is open to debate. I recall that Voom had to arrange for HD telecine of the films they wanted, in many cases.

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Regarding those transferred for DVD release, they would have been remastered for 480i resolution only.

That's actually not true.

The bulk of the DVD releases that have come out in the last 5-7 years have had HD masters that were downconverted to SD for the DVD. The master and the final format have nothing to do with each another other than one is generated from the other.
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That's actually not true.

The bulk of the DVD releases that have come out in the last 5-7 years have had HD masters that were downconverted to SD for the DVD. The master and the final format have nothing to do with each another other than one is generated from the other.

Absolutely correct and I apologize forgetting that very important point and refute my earlier statement - just one of those days when my brain cells aren't working.
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I call that "Sunday"

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I call that "Sunday"

Thanx, Nathan.

Was afraid it was becomming "24/7".
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Thanx, Nathan.

Was afraid it was becomming "24/7".

I'm already up to 24/5...

Coincidentally, the 5 are the days I work. Strange...
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I'm already up to 24/5...

Coincidentally, the 5 are the days I work. Strange...

I think when it becomes 25/8, then we're all in trouble.
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Few weeks back TCM-HD aired a very poor quality, window-boxed print of Close Encounters Of the Third Kind. Tonight noticed they aired a matted version instead.
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I just noticed last night after midnight that they finally added TCM-HD (along with several others like MGM-HD) to my Comcast system. I had seen it in the online program guide several days ago so I figured it must be imminent.

Anyway, I've read the comments above and many of you report that it doesn't look any better than the SD channel. I haven't watched enough to say for certain, but when I turned it on for the first time they were showing the widescreen western "Cheyenne Autumn" and it looked much, much better on the HD (channel 890 here) vs. the SD (channel 64). It may not have been full HD, but to me it looked at least as good as an anamorphic DVD, maybe better.

Then this morning I compared the two channels showing the old B&W 1938 film (4:3, obviously), "Marie Antoinette." This time the differences weren't nearly as great, but the HD channel still looked better to my eyes. The SD was noticeably "softer." By the way, the HD channel lags the SD by a few seconds so it's convenient for quick A/B comparisons.

I'm watching on a 9-year old Pioneer Elite 610HD (58") CRT RPTV, calibrated one year ago this month.

I'll have to watch more to get a better idea, but based on my experience so far I'll opt to watch the HD channel. I can only imagine how nice it will be if/when they get a lot of true HD content.
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They're rolling it out in Atlanta now, or at least this neighborhood. Look for it on 869. The Bribe and a Pete Smith Specialty looked slightly different, but not really HD. It looks a little better than the standard channel, but probably not enough to waste the extra DVR space.

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They're rolling it out in Atlanta now, or at least this neighborhood. Look for it on 869. The Bribe and a Pete Smith Specialty looked slightly different, but not really HD. It looks a little better than the standard channel, but probably not enough to waste the extra DVR space.

If the print is good you will notice increased picture quality on the HD feed, even though it's not remastered at 1080i. Older black and whites will appear a bit sharper with a better contrast ratio.

However, some color prints look awful on HD not just because they are washed out or too soft -- sometimes the color saturation and edge enhancement is too strong along with the picture being too dark.
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Perhaps this has been mentioned earlier in the thread, but they are showing a bad old Italian/MGM film, The Tartars, and it's letterboxed, filling almost the whole screen, with a small portion on the left and right black. Is this how they do their widescreen films, rather than having the letterbox within the 4:3 ratio?

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Perhaps this has been mentioned earlier in the thread, but they are showing a bad old Italian/MGM film, The Tartars, and it's letterboxed, filling almost the whole screen, with a small portion on the left and right black.

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Is this how they do their widescreen films, rather than having the letterbox within the 4:3 ratio?

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Citizen Kane came on today. I wonder if it looked good in HD (I only have TCM in SD).
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Kane looked good. So did The Third Man, which looked smooth and creamy rather than the rather pointallistic screen shots I've seen from the Blu-ray.

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Kane looked good. So did The Third Man, which looked smooth and creamy rather than the rather pointallistic screen shots I've seen from the Blu-ray.

That's strange. The Third Man Blu-ray's grain structure is true to the original film and the theatrical experience. Why would you want to lose that level of realistic presentation?

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That's strange. The Blu-ray's grain structure is true to the original film and the theatrical experience. Why would you want to lose that level of realistic presentation?

Although The Third Man now is available on Blu-ray, I believe Warner has made an announcement that a Citizen Kane Blu-ray will not be released until 2011. Is that not right?
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(I was speaking about The Third Man, since that is what Shaded Dog was referring to the blu-ray of. I've edited my post for clarity.)

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The Third Man Blu-ray's grain structure is true to the original film and the theatrical experience.

Are you sure? I will admit not having seen a 35mm print, let alone one that might be close to the original neg. But it's one of my favorite films, I've seen it on TV for years and in 16mm, and I don't recall the look of the film being as grainy as the screen shots. I remember grays.

I could be wrong.

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Pretty sure: This is what I recall from the restored Rialto print in 35mm at a screening in San Francisco in 1999.

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I saw the Criterion BD of The Third Man right after it was released. I thought it looked great but had no basis for a comparison of its PQ with that of a print of the original projected on a theater screen.
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Citizen Kane came on today. I wonder if it looked good in HD (I only have TCM in SD).

Please be advised that TCM is currently NOT showing anything in HD. It's all just upconverts for the forseeable future.
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...but the upconverts look very good. A-B-ing the standard vs HD presentation of an immaculate print of David Lean's [Breaking]The Sound Barrier last night showed virtually none of the mosquito noise on the HD channel. Doctor Zhivago after seemed a bit softer, but still looked (and sounded) good.

It's worth pestering your service provider about.

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