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Warner Archive Instant has a loooooong way to go before it can even be considered a competitor to TCM. Right now, it's just a rather small collection of "B" movies, and some TV series. From what I'm hearing, that may be all it's ever going to be. No "A" list stuff ever. You'll have to get that elsewhere. And before too many people get excited about all the 1080p stuff they're streaming, let me tell you that it doesn't look any better than the upconverts on TCM HD. I sampled quite a bit content, during the two week trial, and I kept saying to myself "This is supposed to be HD'? Doesn't look like it to me. The HD on Netflix, Amazon, and Vudu blow this away.
First, I assume that you have the Roku box, because that is the only one that will output 1080p right now from the service according to what I've read. Due to the need to keep file size down, I wouldn't expect Blu ray quality, but they should be much better than SD quality, and close to equal to what is typically seen on bandwidth constrained channels like HD Net Movies. What you said about the 1080p quality might be exactly right, but I am surprised that Warner would fail on the quality in this instance.

The service has 319 movies currently, and allegedly adding 20 each week (and hopefully not removing any, at least at this point). 139 are "HD" though what that means in terms of quality is apparently debatable.

I'm not worried about the "A" list stuff, because that is already out on Blu-ray, or will be in the not-too-distant future if it is truly an "A" title.

Anyone else with an opinion on the 1080p quality? Is it really no better than the TCM upconverts?
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I'm not worried about the "A" list stuff, because that is already out on Blu-ray, or will be in the not-too-distant future if it is truly an "A" title.

That is an unusual point of view - you only want streaming services to carry stuff not on optical disc? I think nearly everybody would like to be able to stream everything, and not pay through the nose.

The Warner streaming service looks truly horrid. Warner has decided to put the A-list on Blu-Ray, the B-list on over-priced under-produced DVD-R, and the dreck they can't get anybody to pay for they dump on their streaming service. Anybody that pays $10 per month to stream that stuff has a lot of time and money on their hands.

What Warner is streaming is a new revenue stream. I don't think they expect to get a lot of customers, but that doesn't matter so much, it's all gravy.

Here's an idea for Warner: Open a streaming service with access to 100% of their content, using their best available data sources. Charge what the market will bare. Or experiment with a high price so that it doesn't cannibalize your optical disc sales. But do it.
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I'm very happy with the Warner service. The HD titles look great including ones that are not available on Blu-ray and I'm a big fan of the 50's-60's detective shows that are not available legally on home video.
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From the "Hot Off The Press" Thread (top of 'HDTV Programming' page).

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Esther Williams: TCM gives her 24-hour salute
By Hal Boedeker, Orlando Sentinel

Esther Williams, Hollywood's great swimming star, will receive a 24-hour salute from TCM, starting Thursday night.

Williams died last week at age 91.

World War II blocked Williams' dreams of Olympic glory, but she became a box-office favorite for her splashy MGM movies in the 1940s and '50s. Although she made her last films in the early 1960s, she remains a symbol of Hollywood glamour and entertainment.

And her importance transcends her movies. The International Swimming Hall of Fame, based in Fort Lauderdale, says that Williams' "movie career played a major role in the promotion of swimming, making it attractive to the public, contributing to the growth of the sport as a public recreation for health, exercise, water safety -- and just plain fun."

Williams' family has asked that memorial donations be sent to the Hall of Fame, One Hall of Fame Drive, Fort Lauderdale, Fla. 33316.

Williams' movies certainly are just plain fun. "Easy to Wed" is worthy of special note because Lucille Ball is a co-star. The TCM lineup:

Thursday

8 p.m.: "Bathing Beauty" (1944, her first starrring role)

10 p.m.: "Neptune's Daughter" (1949)

11:45 p.m.: "Million Dollar Mermaid" (1952)

Friday

1:45 a.m.: "Dangerous When Wet" (1953)

3:30 a.m.: "Andy Hardy's Double Life" (1942; her film debut)

5:15 a.m.: "Thrill of a Romance" (1945)

7:15 a.m.: "Easy to Wed" (1946)

9:15 a.m.: "The Hoodlum Saint" (1946)

11 a.m.: "Fiesta" (1947)

1 p.m.: "This Time For Keeps" (1947)

3 p.m.: "On an Island With You" (1948)

5 p.m.: "Pagan Love Song" (1950)

6:30 p.m.: "Texas Carnival" (1951)


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-esther-williams-tcm-salute-20130610,0,4571274.post
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I'm very happy with the Warner service. The HD titles look great including ones that are not available on Blu-ray and I'm a big fan of the 50's-60's detective shows that are not available legally on home video.

I look at it this way, for $120 a year, what do I get? I'm not interested at the moment....

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And it's only available on 1 device right, other than maybe a computer screen? Doesn't sound very ambitious to me. Sounds like another half-baked TW idea to make money, maybe they should license the library to someone who has experience with online streaming, like say, a Netflix? tongue.gif
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Sounds like another half-baked TW idea to make money, maybe they should license the library to someone who has experience with online streaming, like say, a Netflix? tongue.gif
They can't that, now, can they? Then they wouldn't be able to keep ALL the money...
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They can't that, now, can they? Then they wouldn't be able to keep ALL the money...
Exactly, better to have $100 from 10 subscribers than $1,000,000(likely much, much more) from 24M or so Netflix subs, makes perfect sense... for Time Warner(we love living in the past and we have this new thing coming out called "3D", wait until you see it!). biggrin.gif

More to the point, TW simply doesn't want competition and does not want to have to spend to innovate, the status quo is so much easier, and sooo much cheaper!

Time Warner Cable Content Incentives Thwart New Web TV
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Good article. It will take some time to resolve, but we're looking at classic monopolistic behavior. It will get broken-up as consumers get increasingly frustrated.

"The plight of the Internet-based services is similar to when satellite companies couldn’t get access to media companies’ content until Congress passed legislation in 1992"
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Exactly, better to have $100 from 10 subscribers than $1,000,000(likely much, much more) from 24M or so Netflix subs, makes perfect sense... for Time Warner(we love living in the past and we have this new thing coming out called "3D", wait until you see it!). biggrin.gif

More to the point, TW simply doesn't want competition and does not want to have to spend to innovate, the status quo is so much easier, and sooo much cheaper!

Time Warner Cable Content Incentives Thwart New Web TV

Let's not forget that Time Warner Cable was spun off from Time Warner four years ago, and is now an independent company.
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Lately, I've been watching many movies on TCM HD. Record on DVR, then watch.

The picture is not the only thing NOT HD!!! The sound, although 5.1, is often only MONO, & I have to select MONO MOVIE on my AVR to enjoy Surround. No doubt that satisfies the purist, artist intent & such drivel.

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Lately, I've been watching many movies on TCM HD. Record on DVR, then watch.

The picture is not the only thing NOT HD!!! The sound, although 5.1, is often only MONO, & I have to select MONO MOVIE on my AVR to enjoy Surround. No doubt that satisfies the purist, artist intent & such drivel.

You realize why that is, I hope.
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You realize why that is, I hope.
Perhaps it has to do with that notation in the guide that says something like: Production Year - 1938? Or 1976. Or 1954?

In other words "This movie was made using mono sound"....
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So was Gone With The Wind. It's all about the money it costs to remaster HD video & audio.

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So was Gone With The Wind. It's all about the money it costs to remaster HD video & audio.
The number of audio channels has nothing to do with whether audio is "HD" or not - and for what it's worth, the term is "lossless". Mono audio can be lossless, as well.

However, no audio on TV is lossless. It's all Dolby Digital - be it 1.0, 2.0. 5.1 or some combination in between.

TCM shows classic movies, most of which were made with mono sound. That's how they were intended to be seen (well, heard). If you want 5.1 remixes, buy the Blu-ray (which you can do for Gone With the Wind).
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Not wanting lossless, but 5.1. 'Course can't even get that with baseball over Fox Regional.

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I don't give a whole damn how they were intended to be seen, or heard. I'm watching on tv.

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Not wanting lossless, but 5.1. 'Course can't even get that with baseball over Fox Regional.
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I don't give a whole damn how they were intended to be seen, or heard. I'm watching on tv.
You seem to be missing the point that the "C" in TCM stands for "Classic". They are airing movies in their original form. Mono is the proper audio. If you want remixed audio, you're watching the wrong channel.
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No I'm NOT missing the point. You're pointing out the obvious.

They are not all in original form, but, sadly most are.

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No I'm NOT missing the point. You're pointing out the obvious.
So, where is your confusion? TCM is not going to alter the audio from it's original form. If it was mono, it will be in mono. If it was stereo, it will be in stereo. If it was quad, it will be quad. If they show something from when 5.1 existed, it will likely be in 5.1.

The same goes for the image, be it academy ratio, 1.87, 2.35 or whatever it was. they're going to show a copy in it's original form if they can possibly get it that way.

You're expecting a film channel that caters to fim buffs to cater to people who want their screens and all their speakers filled. That's not going to happen. Ever.

Never ever.
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Sadly?

Would you complain about a classic car being original? Let me guess: you'd be the guy who would chop it, lower it and put in a booming stereo.
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Sorry to get testy with you. It is what it is, which is, sadly, for the most part, NOT HD, in any way, shape, or form.

Yes, I'd alter it, with all tech would allow! Do think it is noble to allow listener to choose soundtrack on some Blu rays.

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Didn't watch, but I'll bet they didn't even show Casablanca in HD.

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Wish I could get HDNet Movies with Comcast.

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Here ya go.  :)

 

Original Casablanca mono soundtrack included.

 

 

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Casablanca-Blu-ray/33623/

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Here ya go.  smile.gif

Original Casablanca mono soundtrack included.


http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Casablanca-Blu-ray/33623/

Had it for years on HD DVD.

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 The sound, although 5.1, is often only MONO, & I have to select MONO MOVIE on my AVR to enjoy Surround. No doubt that satisfies the purist, artist intent & such drivel.

 

Well, theoretically, you could manipulate the dialog using your remote's L/R balance control to match who's speaking on which side of the screen.  Your thumb may get a little tired though.

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 The sound, although 5.1, is often only MONO,

Well, theoretically, you could manipulate the dialog using your remote's L/R balance control to match who's speaking on which side of the screen.  Your thumb may get a little tired though.

True, dat. MONO Movie works for me. B&W seems to up-convert best, for my system.

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Launch in France on September 10 a new movie channel :

PARAMOUNT CHANNEL
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All films from Paramount catalog from 1930 to 2000, of which some will be native HD ...
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I'm seeing more and more movies listed in the EPG as HD on TCM. Right now, Singin' In The Rain is listed as HD, and it looks pretty good. Much better than the typical movie on TCM HD. Not sure if it's true HD, though.
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I'm seeing more and more movies listed in the EPG as HD on TCM. Right now, Singin' In The Rain is listed as HD, and it looks pretty good. Much better than the typical movie on TCM HD. Not sure if it's true HD, though.

It's not.
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